it's safe to say that Oblivion is the most important RPG of this gen.

Why? it's the highest scoring WRPG ever, both on the PS3 & X360, as well as outscoring every console RPG of last gen. (correct me if i'm wrong, though.) it's second only to Chrono Cross, (again, correct me if i'm wrong.) it's won numerous GOTY awards and is pretty much a part of everybody's gaming library. not only that, but it's the first RPG of this gen to receive an AAA score.

there are those who will disagree, and i would like to hear their opinion on the matter. some may criticize that it's 'too easy', but thats what the difficulty slider is there for. there is so much content in this game that its unbelievable. i mean, the game has bookstores in it. you can literaly spend hours just reading the lore of Tamriel. it's also one of the few RPG's that never feel like a chore to play. thats because the combat is top-notch, and the spell casting is surprisingly deep.
GUNpoint_

More like WoW.supercubedude64

Exactly. The game is like a singleplayer MMORPG.

If Oblivion is such a great RPG it wouldn't need this or this.

HummaKavula

"When traveling between cities, rent a room for the night at the local inn. Put your armor in the cupboards, put your sword on the bed next to you, etc, before you sleep. Why go to bed wearing metal armor pajamas? Similarly, anywhere you decide to sleep, try to imagine what you would do if you were about to go to sleep."

"When leaving it at the stables, make it more interesting. Drop food such as carrots or apples in front of it before you leave. When entering and leaving stables, get off your horse, open the gate, ride it in, then close it behind you after you get off--don't just jump over the fence. Make sure your horse has adequate shelter."

Why? it's the highest scoring WRPG ever, both on the PS3 & X360, as well as outscoring every console RPG of last gen. (correct me if i'm wrong, though.) it's second only to Chrono Cross, (again, correct me if i'm wrong.) it's won numerous GOTY awards and is pretty much a part of everybody's gaming library. not only that, but it's the first RPG of this gen to receive an AAA score.

there are those who will disagree, and i would like to hear their opinion on the matter. some may criticize that it's 'too easy', but thats what the difficulty slider is there for. there is so much content in this game that its unbelievable. i mean, the game has bookstores in it. you can literaly spend hours just reading the lore of Tamriel. it's also one of the few RPG's that never feel like a chore to play. thats because the combat is top-notch, and the spell casting is surprisingly deep.
GUNpoint_

The world felt so lifeless and empty, it would have made a a better MMO. I truly didn't enjoy playing that game in the least.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

GUNpoint_

YOU CAN DO THIS WITH JUST ABOUT EVEYR GREAT RPG GAME.. THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU CAN DO THIS AT ANY MOMENT POSSIBLE.. Making it a weak sauce action game.. I didn't realize the mage thats scrawny due to study so hard with spell craft can come around and split a giant orc in two witha 20 lb battle axe.

and what are you talking about items level up with you? you mean that Umbra's strength is 33 by the time you reach 100 in strength & longblade skill? ok? how is that bad?

BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OFA ACTION ADVENTURE GAME.. LOL.. Very few thigns get harder they just change alitle bit more subjtle fo rhte most part most of them are the exact same difficulty as they were at level 1.. Didn't know youc an complete 99% of the game including the main quest at level 2..

sweet, so basically, this is what you wanted. all items & weapons never increase in damage, & remain as is from beginning to end. ok, so lets say i make a new character, and get Umbra. level 33 blade being used by a level 1 character. ok, i'd basically kill everything with one shot. sounds like fun.

Your genious or lack thereof ceases to amaze me.. Because ina static enviroemnt you wouldn't be capable of getting the item at a very long time because Umbra would be a very high levle tough customer.. Also i would like to point ou that Umbra is really the only HAND PLACEDITEM IN THE ENTIRE GAME..

and since when do action adventure games have enemies that level up with you?

LOL if they all level up with you as you level up.. There is no difference in gameplay it would be just as if you never had a leveling system and theya ll stayed the same..

since when do you even level up in action games? i'm pretty sure that in God of War, that cyclops i killed in the beginning was just as strong as the other cyclops i killed near the end of the game.

LOL just like the majority of creatures in Oblivion.. Make matters worse everything is elveled including gear with no handplaced stuff.. Meaning? There is NO POINT IN EXPLORING.. Because teh first dungeon that you come to will have the exact same things to offer as every other in the game.. You ahve far less meaningful decision making then the majority of rpgs I have ever played.

as for dialogue, sorry, we can't all be KOTOR or Mas Effect.

What a pitiful excuse when your trying to argue abou ta game where your able to do everything with tons of choices.. If this is true where is the choices in dialogue? There are noen, this game was aweful and required very little thought to compelte.. Did your ealize you could beat the entire game at level 2?

Are you joking me? I beat the game at level 4...

You can beat all the individual guilds at level 1.

Pitiful.

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]the two most important RPGs this gen are The Witcher (shows that first time, European Devs can make AWSOME games)thegoldenpoo

I hope you aren't serious :|

i personally loved the witcher, have you even played it? its CD-projekts first big game. its flawed but its absolute RPG heaven if you get into it. so yes i am serious, try something that isn't anime-esc and branch out. im guesing you love that turd-pile called FF??

Europe has many awesome game developers like DICE, Lionhead, Criterion, Crytek, R* etc.

Are you joking me? I beat the game at level 4...

You can beat all the individual guilds at level 1.

Pitiful.

stephant_6

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]the two most important RPGs this gen are The Witcher (shows that first time, European Devs can make AWSOME games)froidnite

I hope you aren't serious :|

i personally loved the witcher, have you even played it? its CD-projekts first big game. its flawed but its absolute RPG heaven if you get into it. so yes i am serious, try something that isn't anime-esc and branch out. im guesing you love that turd-pile called FF??

Europe has many awesome game developers like DICE, Lionhead, Criterion, Crytek, R* etc.

no as in fist time developers, for CD project this was their first game. i know europe has rocked in gaming for a long time, i live there!!!

[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]the two most important RPGs this gen are The Witcher (shows that first time, European Devs can make AWSOME games)thegoldenpoo

I hope you aren't serious :|

i personally loved the witcher, have you even played it? its CD-projekts first big game. its flawed but its absolute RPG heaven if you get into it. so yes i am serious, try something that isn't anime-esc and branch out. im guesing you love that turd-pile called FF??

Europe has many awesome game developers like DICE, Lionhead, Criterion, Crytek, R* etc.

no as in fist time developers, for CD project this was their first game. i know europe has rocked in gaming for a long time, i live there!!!

If you compare the boring Olbivion, to what Fable 2 will offer in a few months, will seem like a last gen joke IMO, in all aspects, graphics and gameplaykostmpekir

[QUOTE="kostmpekir"]If you compare the boring Olbivion, to what Fable 2 will offer in a few months, will seem like a last gen joke IMO, in all aspects, graphics and gameplayblue_hazy_basic

Never, ever believe Molyneux's hype.

And if there's an RPG to look forward to, it's BioWare's Dragon Age, not Fable 2.

[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]the two most important RPGs this gen are The Witcher (shows that first time, European Devs can make AWSOME games)thegoldenpoo

I hope you aren't serious :|

i personally loved the witcher, have you even played it? its CD-projekts first big game. its flawed but its absolute RPG heaven if you get into it. so yes i am serious, try something that isn't anime-esc and branch out. im guesing you love that turd-pile called FF??

Europe has many awesome game developers like DICE, Lionhead, Criterion, Crytek, R* etc.

no as in fist time developers, for CD project this was their first game. i know europe has rocked in gaming for a long time, i live there!!!

I live in Europe too :D

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="kostmpekir"]If you compare the boring Olbivion, to what Fable 2 will offer in a few months, will seem like a last gen joke IMO, in all aspects, graphics and gameplaymjarantilla

Never, ever believe Molyneux's hype.

And if there's an RPG to look forward to, it's BioWare's Dragon Age, not Fable 2.

[QUOTE="kostmpekir"]If you compare the boring Olbivion, to what Fable 2 will offer in a few months, will seem like a last gen joke IMO, in all aspects, graphics and gameplayblue_hazy_basic

Even Fable 1 was vastly more lively and interesting than the generci Oblivion, which is one of the most casual easy and boring RPG's i have ever played in my life TBH

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]the two most important RPGs this gen are The Witcher (shows that first time, European Devs can make AWSOME games)thegoldenpoo

I hope you aren't serious :|

i personally loved the witcher, have you even played it? its CD-projekts first big game. its flawed but its absolute RPG heaven if you get into it. so yes i am serious, try something that isn't anime-esc and branch out. im guesing you love that turd-pile called FF??

What i meant was the bolded part. Witcher being the first awesome European game?

I play JRPG'S, and WRPG's...Yes i do like FF. FFIX is my favourite game of all time.

Morrowind>>>>Oblivion

I'll take a deep RPG over a shallow hack n' slash one any day.

For me

1-) Final Fantasy XIII

2-) Senjo No Valkiria

3-) White Knight Chronicles

None of them are out yet :(

Oblivion is the most overrated RPG I've ever played. I liked FFX-2 more.

If you compare the boring Olbivion, to what Fable 2 will offer in a few months, will seem like a last gen joke IMO, in all aspects, graphics and gameplaykostmpekir

BTW: I really don't think the TC has ever played Morrowind. If he did, he should know what Oblivion should have been like.

Oblivion was horrible.

No offense to the TC,but I hate people like you. It's people like you who are the reason Bethesda is casualising their games. People who have never played a real RPG,and then come along and play Oblivion thinking it's easily the best RPG ever made are the reason we will never see a real Elder Scrolls game again.stephant_6

I'm not defending Oblivion, seeing as I never played it, but you rated the game 9.6.

Are you sure you don't want to rewrite your review eventually?

ah please, HL 1 is one of teh most revolutionary FPS around.To quotes GS review "HL is the closest step to revolutionary the genre has ever taken" . I can tell you about why HL 1 is revolutionary but seeing as you cannot find it your self.....

You say things which made HL successful were taken from SS. You really don't have much idea. Let me tell you, the scripted sequences used in HL 1 was even tried to be incorporated in SS2.

[QUOTE="SS2Dev"]Motivated by the dramatic scripted sequences in Half-Life, we attempted to introduce similar elements into System Shock 2. In doing so, we broke one of our rules: we tried to step outside the bounds of our technology. Although we attempted relatively simple sequences and ultimately got them workingnaval

I never stated that Half Life only took what System Shock did first. I stated that SS did a lot of what Half Life was claimed to do first. Other games also influenced Half Life. Scripted events and 3D positional sound? Gee, I never knew Half Life came out before Unreal. Wait, it didn't. (And to an extent, even though Unreal is broken up into levels, they transition. And even Half Life isn't the first FPS to have one continuous world, which btw, wasn't completely continuous. And this isn't to say Unreal was revolutionary either.)

And of course the System Shock 2 devs would like to copy Half Life. First off, SS2 isn't SS1. Second, even if they were primarily the SS1 people, that doesn't mean HL is an entire copy of SS1. Third, even where HL borrowed ideas from SS, it doesn't mean Valve couldn't improve upon them. If someone does something better than you, you learn from it, even if you were the creator of something. Half Life is an evolution in the FPS, not the revolution of the FPS.

secondly, I like how you make assumption i i haven't played lots of shooter. fyi i played standard ones like rott, rctw, doom, marathon etc around the time when they were released

naval

Yes, and that's why you view Half Life as revolutionary. As I have stated, many of the revolutionary games fail horribly in terms of sales. They aren't mainstream, because often times, they just aren't good games. Being the first, you make mistakes. I don't really care what GameSpot thinks of Half Life. GameSpot isn't flawless in it's reviews either (as the past year in controversy with GS has taught us).

Quick test.

What's the first FPS? (*HINT* It's not Wolfenstein.)

What's the first Co op LAN FPS? (*HINT* It's not Doom.)

What's the first true 3D Engine in an FPS? (*HINT* It's not Quake.)

What's the first FPS to use the internet? (*HINT* It's not Quake.)

This has nothing to do with the quality of Half Life, which was a good game. And I would not deny that Half Life didn't popularize many of the things it's (wrongfully) credited for. But it's similar to how many of us view Halo.

(Last post on this subject, as it's off the original topic).

Now onto the original topic: (From http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3168091)

"Ultima VII is still my favorite game," says Todd Howard, executive producer of Bethesda's Elder Scrolls series. "It's hard not to look at Oblivion and see the Ultima influence."

Being a very big fan of Ultima VII, I have a hard time seeing it's influence.

I will let the God in disguise himself tell you that oblivion is crap

linky

Franko_3

I actually agree with yahtzee on all points (including Assassin's Creed) in that review. I'm shocked. That never happens.