it's safe to say that Oblivion is the most important RPG of this gen.

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

Shootingpeanuts

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

It is an incredible game.

it takes great RPG elements and then adds a great fighting mechanic. Plus its very open to your playing style. You could fight by being sneaky, or tacticla with a blade. Or you could go mad with a big hammer, or use magic, or best of all, a combination of all of them.

its a great game with so much to do its amazing. I don't mind if some people dont like it but some people dont give it a chance as it is overwhelming. But you cant say its not an RPG it is and its a great one.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

GUNpoint_

Are you seriously saying that before Oblivion, your only RPGs have been JRPGs?

No wonder you think Oblivion is such a revolution.

[QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

sSubZerOo

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

sSubZerOo

YOU CAN DO THIS WITH JUST ABOUT EVEYR GREAT RPG GAME.. THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU CAN DO THIS AT ANY MOMENT POSSIBLE.. Making it a weak sauce action game.. I didn't realize the mage thats scrawny due to study so hard with spell craft can come around and split a giant orc in two witha 20 lb battle axe.

and what are you talking about items level up with you? you mean that Umbra's strength is 33 by the time you reach 100 in strength & longblade skill? ok? how is that bad?

BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OFA ACTION ADVENTURE GAME.. LOL.. Very few thigns get harder they just change alitle bit more subjtle fo rhte most part most of them are the exact same difficulty as they were at level 1.. Didn't know youc an complete 99% of the game including the main quest at level 2..

sweet, so basically, this is what you wanted. all items & weapons never increase in damage, & remain as is from beginning to end. ok, so lets say i make a new character, and get Umbra. level 33 blade being used by a level 1 character. ok, i'd basically kill everything with one shot. sounds like fun.

Your genious or lack thereof ceases to amaze me.. Because ina static enviroemnt you wouldn't be capable of getting the item at a very long time because Umbra would be a very high levle tough customer.. Also i would like to point ou that Umbra is really the only HAND PLACEDITEM IN THE ENTIRE GAME..

and since when do action adventure games have enemies that level up with you?

LOL if they all level up with you as you level up.. There is no difference in gameplay it would be just as if you never had a leveling system and theya ll stayed the same..

since when do you even level up in action games? i'm pretty sure that in God of War, that cyclops i killed in the beginning was just as strong as the other cyclops i killed near the end of the game.

LOL just like the majority of creatures in Oblivion.. Make matters worse everything is elveled including gear with no handplaced stuff.. Meaning? There is NO POINT IN EXPLORING.. Because teh first dungeon that you come to will have the exact same things to offer as every other in the game.. You ahve far less meaningful decision making then the majority of rpgs I have ever played.

as for dialogue, sorry, we can't all be KOTOR or Mas Effect.

What a pitiful excuse when your trying to argue abou ta game where your able to do everything with tons of choices.. If this is true where is the choices in dialogue? There are noen, this game was aweful and required very little thought to compelte.. Did your ealize you could beat the entire game at level 2?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

mjarantilla

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

mjarantilla

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.redstormrisen

Role Play Game.

How can you role play in a game that lacks any kind of immersion...

you play the role of a person who starts off in jail, you play as hi through the whole game and make his/her personality yourself, you make the characters story yourself and you level your character up to exaclty what yo want it to be.

You can get a house, make friends, have people who follow you, make/find your own weapons and make any sort of character you like.

I think your problem is that its not what you would call a 'hardcore' RPG, it was a game made to suite all abilites which is why it did so well.

If you are more into 'hardcore' RPG's then thats fine, but ypu cant say that this is not an RPG. Unless your mad that is.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

Of course. That's what happens when you lower the standard. It becomes easier to get higher scores.

[QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.NinjaMunkey01

Role Play Game.

How can you role play in a game that lacks any kind of immersion...

you play the role of a person who starts off in jail, you play as hi through the whole game and make his/her personality yourself, you make the characters story yourself and you level your character up to exaclty what yo want it to be.

You can get a house, make friends, have people who follow you, make/find your own weapons and make any sort of character you like.

I think your problem is that its not what you would call a 'hardcore' RPG, it was a game made to suite all abilites which is why it did so well.

If you are more into 'hardcore' RPG's then thats fine, but ypu cant say that this is not an RPG. Unless your mad that is.

It's an RPG, just not a very good one. It's not about being hardcore or not. It's about lacking any sense of continuity or consequence.

you've never played Oblivion. go into an Oblivion gate and try to shut it with a level 2 character. unless you have 500 strong health potions, it won't happen. and i can't change your tastes in games, and i could even make fun of your grammar, but i won't. this thread wasn't meant to be a flame war. i just wanted to hear peoples thought on the matter.

and yes, you do need to explore in Oblivion to get good gear. finding a full armor set of Daedric armor is pretty tough. and Oblivion does have tons of choices, but not much when it comes to dialogue decision making. imo, KOTOR was the best game for that.GUNpoint_

Are you kidding me I did play Oblivion, and YES YOU CAN DO A oblivion gate at level 2.. The only thing that required levels was Daedric shrine quests, which si the reason why you required level 2 because it requires to do one to complete the quest.. How bout the levle 10 deadric shrine quest that basically made lockpicking useless as hell as a skill due to a unbreakable pick? How bout the fact that there are no real differences between blunts and swords? And that for the most part 1 handers are always better then two handers, there is no trade off.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

Golly, I guess that means he's not allowed to think what he thinks and what other people like him think.

Halo get's high ratings, that's a pile of crap as well.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

mjarantilla

Are you seriously saying that before Oblivion, your only RPGs have been JRPGs?

No wonder you think Oblivion is such a revolution.

Never was a truer word well said.

On the consoles one can understand their admiration for it. I liked the idea that you could actually walk around and do what you wanted. It created a sense of immersion. True the characters sucked but its still a damn fine game.

The witcher and gothic 3 are better RPG's for this gen(if you want to use the word gen). Sadly bug ridden though.

Oblivion is a typical RPG. You played lost odyssey? Talk about rinse and repeat. Great music great story. But rinse and repeat gameplay japanese developers can't seem to get away from.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

Exaclty.

Also gunpoint your video thing for your avatar is cool. Makes me want MGS4 even more.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

humber_matus

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

Sirfruitytooty

Are you seriously saying that before Oblivion, your only RPGs have been JRPGs?

No wonder you think Oblivion is such a revolution.

Never was a truer word well said.

On the consoles one can understand their admiration for it. I liked the idea that you could actually walk around and do what you wanted. It created a sense of immersion. True the characters sucked but its still a damn fine game.

The witcher and gothic 3 are better RPG's for this gen(if you want to use the word gen). Sadly bug ridden though.

Oblivion is a typical RPG. You played lost odyssey? Talk about rinse and repeat. Great music great story. But rinse and repeat gameplay japanese developers can't seem to get away from.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

If you just said Halo 3 was better than CoD4, I'm going to faint, then awake in a rage.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

one could argue that CoD4 lowered the standard of shooters.

5 hour campaign, infinitely respawning enemies, n00b tubes, martyrdom, & horrid enemy A.I. compare this to Halo C.E. long, fun campaign, intelligent A.I., great graphics for it's time, & no cheap kills in multiplayer. to be fair, it seems most shooters are becoming shorter & more shallow.

yet, you like CoD4? & you're bashing Oblivion?GUNpoint_

Don't know abou tthe guy you were responding to.. But myself I think CoD4 and Oblivion are some of the most over-rated games of all time.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

NinjaMunkey01

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

Exaclty.

Also gunpoint your video thing for your avatar is cool. Makes me want MGS4 even more.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

GUNpoint_

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

yes cod4 lowered the standarts of shooters but it was a fun shooter., oblivion was fun too, but it failed miserably as an prg.

and dont bring halo into this thread. That game is a disgrace to FPS's all around. Maybe not CE , but 2 and 3 definitely.

[QUOTE="Sirfruitytooty"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..

Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..

Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..

It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.

GUNpoint_

Are you seriously saying that before Oblivion, your only RPGs have been JRPGs?

No wonder you think Oblivion is such a revolution.

Never was a truer word well said.

On the consoles one can understand their admiration for it. I liked the idea that you could actually walk around and do what you wanted. It created a sense of immersion. True the characters sucked but its still a damn fine game.

The witcher and gothic 3 are better RPG's for this gen(if you want to use the word gen). Sadly bug ridden though.

Oblivion is a typical RPG. You played lost odyssey? Talk about rinse and repeat. Great music great story. But rinse and repeat gameplay japanese developers can't seem to get away from.

Oh, well gee, no wonder. You have all of TWO WRPGs to choose from.

Strike that. You have ONE WRPG to choose from, since Mass Effect is an action-RPG.

:roll:

Arbitrarily limiting the scope of your proclamation to just this generation effectively makes it meaningless.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

mjarantilla

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

not to mention cod4 was casualised for the console market. If i was a hermit i'd be super pissed.humber_matus

It was still great on the PC in my opinion...

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shootingpeanuts"]

allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.

Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.

humber_matus

Yeah your right by letting other rpg's see that you can have weak story, weak action, little real decision making and dialogue, no real item system, or character deveolpment system to be successful.. If anything it has set rpg's back some by taking as much thought out of the game as possible.. There are no real consquences in the game worth mentioning what so ever..

Oblivion has LOWERED the standard for RPGs.

amen.

yes cod4 lowered the standarts of shooters but it was a fun shooter., oblivion was fun too, but it failed miserably as an prg.

and dont bring halo into this thread. That game is a disgrace to FPS's all around. Maybe not CE , but 2 and 3 definitely.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]

one could argue that CoD4 lowered the standard of shooters.

5 hour campaign, infinitely respawning enemies, n00b tubes, martyrdom, & horrid enemy A.I. compare this to Halo C.E. long, fun campaign, intelligent A.I., great graphics for it's time, & no cheap kills in multiplayer. to be fair, it seems most shooters are becoming shorter & more shallow.

yet, you like CoD4? & you're bashing Oblivion?GUNpoint_

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

It's called "budget." The more they spend on graphics, the less they can spend on gameplay. PCs don't have this problem because PC devs don't have to pay huge licensing fees to MS or Sony. And the Wii doesn't have this problem because its graphics are comparatively simple.

Anyone who wants what's best for the future of the industry should support PC and Wii exclusivity, not the PS3 or 360.

I thought CO4 was alright, but not 90% worthy.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]not to mention cod4 was casualised for the console market. If i was a hermit i'd be super pissed.supercubedude64

It was still great on the PC in my opinion...

definitely not as good as the first one. In terms of multiplayer at least.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]

one could argue that CoD4 lowered the standard of shooters.

5 hour campaign, infinitely respawning enemies, n00b tubes, martyrdom, & horrid enemy A.I. compare this to Halo C.E. long, fun campaign, intelligent A.I., great graphics for it's time, & no cheap kills in multiplayer. to be fair, it seems most shooters are becoming shorter & more shallow.

yet, you like CoD4? & you're bashing Oblivion?mjarantilla

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

It's called "budget." The more they spend on graphics, the less they can spend on gameplay. PCs don't have this problem because PC devs don't have to pay huge licensing fees to MS or Sony. And the Wii doesn't have this problem because its graphics are comparatively simple.

Anyone who wants what's best for the future of the industry should support PC and Wii exclusivity, not the PS3 or 360.

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

humber_matus

They both require this magical thing called "money".. And with out this so called "money" they have to cut corners or spend less "money".. I know this whole "money" concept can be confusing and all.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]

one could argue that CoD4 lowered the standard of shooters.

5 hour campaign, infinitely respawning enemies, n00b tubes, martyrdom, & horrid enemy A.I. compare this to Halo C.E. long, fun campaign, intelligent A.I., great graphics for it's time, & no cheap kills in multiplayer. to be fair, it seems most shooters are becoming shorter & more shallow.

yet, you like CoD4? & you're bashing Oblivion?humber_matus

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

It's called "budget." The more they spend on graphics, the less they can spend on gameplay. PCs don't have this problem because PC devs don't have to pay huge licensing fees to MS or Sony. And the Wii doesn't have this problem because its graphics are comparatively simple.

Anyone who wants what's best for the future of the industry should support PC and Wii exclusivity, not the PS3 or 360.

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

Nothing directly, but having to pay licensing fees adds to the financial burden because the fees (which is, I believe, 20% of the sticker price) cuts the company's profits, which means that in order for developers to make back what they spent on development, they have to sell more.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

sSubZerOo

They both require this magical thing called "money".. And with out this so called "money" they have to cut corners or spend less "money".. I know this whole "money" concept can be confusing and all.

I hear money can buy you love...

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]

one could argue that CoD4 lowered the standard of shooters.

5 hour campaign, infinitely respawning enemies, n00b tubes, martyrdom, & horrid enemy A.I. compare this to Halo C.E. long, fun campaign, intelligent A.I., great graphics for it's time, & no cheap kills in multiplayer. to be fair, it seems most shooters are becoming shorter & more shallow.

yet, you like CoD4? & you're bashing Oblivion?mjarantilla

I don't know about him, but I do think that COD4 lowered the standard for shooters. A lot of games this generation lowered the standards for their genres, shooters and WRPGs being the ones most obviously affected by it.

It's called "budget." The more they spend on graphics, the less they can spend on gameplay. PCs don't have this problem because PC devs don't have to pay huge licensing fees to MS or Sony. And the Wii doesn't have this problem because its graphics are comparatively simple.

Anyone who wants what's best for the future of the industry should support PC and Wii exclusivity, not the PS3 or 360.

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

Nothing directly, but having to pay licensing fees adds to the financial burden because the fees (which is, I believe, 20% of the sticker price) cuts the company's profits, which means that in order for developers to make back what they spent on development, they have to sell more.

and developers dont have to pay 'huge licensing fees' to nintendo?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

supercubedude64

They both require this magical thing called "money".. And with out this so called "money" they have to cut corners or spend less "money".. I know this whole "money" concept can be confusing and all.

I hear money can buy you love...

really?....could i borrow you 20 bucks?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

It's called "budget." The more they spend on graphics, the less they can spend on gameplay. PCs don't have this problem because PC devs don't have to pay huge licensing fees to MS or Sony. And the Wii doesn't have this problem because its graphics are comparatively simple.

Anyone who wants what's best for the future of the industry should support PC and Wii exclusivity, not the PS3 or 360.

humber_matus

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

Nothing directly, but having to pay licensing fees adds to the financial burden because the fees (which is, I believe, 20% of the sticker price) cuts the company's profits, which means that in order for developers to make back what they spent on development, they have to sell more.

and developers dont have to pay 'huge licensing fees' to nintendo?

They do, but remember that it's much cheaper to develop for the Wii. IIRC, it costs about $8-12 million to develop a Wii game (something like No More Heroes), and about $20-40 million to develop a 360/PS3 game (something like GRAW or Rainbow Six Vegas).

No, that honour would go to Mass Effect for it's superb voice acting and "digital actors".

TC, you've failed to realize 2 things:

1) Oblivion is not an RPG. It's an action adventure game with tacked-on RPG elements. Sure you can level up, do quests, create different characters etc., but at the end of the day none of it matters. The point of an RPG (or at least a WRPG) is to allow the player to shape not only his character(s), but the world around him. However, between it's repetitive design, piss-poor leveling system and unbalanced skills, Oblivion accomplishes neither. Because Bethesda was too worried about dumbing down their game to make it more "accessible" there are no concequences for any of your actions, and therefore you are not role playing.

2) Gaming journalism is a joke. There are dozens of reasons why, but I'll focus on one: the honeymoon period. When you first play a game of even average quality, you'll probably think it's one of the best games of all time. Why? Because you haven't had time to truly experience the game. You're so caught up in the newness of a game that you cannot accurately judge it. It can take days, if not weeks of play time to accurately judge an RPG, and because gaming journalists usually don't have the time (case in point, how many "OMG why hasn't GS reviewed Game X!?!?" threads we see here) to get out of the honeymoon period, they cannot accurately judge most "hardcore" games.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

what do licensing fees have to do with graphics?

supercubedude64

They both require this magical thing called "money".. And with out this so called "money" they have to cut corners or spend less "money".. I know this whole "money" concept can be confusing and all.

I hear money can buy you love...

It can, you should take a trip to Thailand.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]No and no.naval

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This.

Seriously, this game is one of the biggest disappointments of this gen. A straight up HORRENDOUS rpg that shouldnt even be mentioned in the likes of other wrpg's such as morrowind, baldur's gate, Planescape, etc.

2 & 3 suck, but Halo: CE was revolutionary. and CoD4 was fun, i won't lie. i had over 13 days on it & had a k.d ratio of 3.02 with 4/5 golden guns. but still, i felt like their was something missing from it.GUNpoint_

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]2 & 3 suck, but Halo: CE was revolutionary. and CoD4 was fun, i won't lie. i had over 13 days on it & had a k.d ratio of 3.02 with 4/5 golden guns. but still, i felt like their was something missing from it.foxhound_fox

Really? What fps then, revolutionized how fps's should be done in that gen? Goldeneye did it with the ps1 era, and it's considered revolutionary, why isnt Halo?

I'm not fanboy of halo, I'm just stating the truth of the matter.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]2 & 3 suck, but Halo: CE was revolutionary. and CoD4 was fun, i won't lie. i had over 13 days on it & had a k.d ratio of 3.02 with 4/5 golden guns. but still, i felt like their was something missing from it.ice144

Really? What fps then, revolutionized how fps's should be done in that gen? Goldeneye did it with the ps1 era, and it's considered revolutionary, why isnt Halo?

I'm not fanboy of halo, I'm just stating the truth of the matter.

Halo brought the stupidest and most anti-skill thing imaginable in gaming:

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