I've paid 50.00 a year for live for five years now...why do I not feel cheated?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

I payed 20$ for 3 months, and now I've had free Xbox Live for the last 3 year thanks to arguing with Microsoft over their faulty hardware. :)

Saturos3091

Owned @ paying 250$ for something that should be free.

Microsoft jacked your wallet and then lied to you about it so you feel justified in paying it. :lol: @ PC users getting everything 360 users have and more for free. Yet you guys keep paying for it, MASSIVE ownage.

angry_fork

Live is easy to do all this, but no on-line browser, which is what I use my Computer for, lol. I can talk to a gruop of friends, all at the same time, switch to another gruop of friends, talk to them, get an invite from another friend, Go into his game, all without losing contact with the party I was chating with, then press another button and resume my chat with the other group of friends. All with in seconds, very easily. and it works with all games the same, no matter what I, or my friends are playing at the time. Even if we are all playing different games. I do like to talk to others when I game, It just makes it feel like they are right with me in my living room, just not visible,lol. Try that onPSn. No way you can do anything close to it.

A common PSn experience. I talk to 1 of my friends, have to stop talking to him, Go to another friend, and find I want to play a game with him, get into his game, then start chatting again with the other friend, and then have to quit the game if that friend wants me to join his game, no invite, he has to tell me come on over, then I have to go to his gamer tag, and click on his game to join. I might be wrong a little on the click this or that, it's been like 2 or 3 months since iv'e tried it. Last time I played on PSn, unless I get a phone call, or I am playing on my PS3. I don't try to talk to anyone while playing anymore. 1 game at a time is played and I talk to no one but the people i am gaming with at the time. very basic gaming is all PSn can do.

Yea anyone who is paying $50 a year to play online is being ripped off. Sony offers pretty much the same level of service and they don't charge for it. $50 a year does not sound like much but over the whole generation you will spend like $300. Those $300 dollars can buy you a neext generation console when it comes out...

PC,Wii,PS3 all have free online yet xbox it isn't. Even the argument you get what you pay for is useless since live is not THAT much better than the free stuff.

Why am I not outraged. Why do I not hate Microsoft? Why do I own a PS3 and still make all of my DLC purchases on my 360?

THE COMMUNITY.

Why am I not outraged. Why do I not hate Microsoft? Why do I own a PS3 and still make all of my DLC purchases on my 360?

THE COMMUNITY.

shsonline

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

Yea anyone who is paying $50 a year to play online is being ripped off. Sony offers pretty much the same level of service and they don't charge for it. $50 a year does not sound like much but over the whole generation you will spend like $300. Those $300 dollars can buy you a neext generation console when it comes out...

PC,Wii,PS3 all have free online yet xbox it isn't. Even the argument you get what you pay for is useless since live is not THAT much better than the free stuff.

loftus42

All you did was make instint invite,party/private chat into one whole dam paragraph. Which wasint really needed. Again nice features still not worth the cash.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

Yea anyone who is paying $50 a year to play online is being ripped off. Sony offers pretty much the same level of service and they don't charge for it. $50 a year does not sound like much but over the whole generation you will spend like $300. Those $300 dollars can buy you a neext generation console when it comes out...

PC,Wii,PS3 all have free online yet xbox it isn't. Even the argument you get what you pay for is useless since live is not THAT much better than the free stuff.

finalfantasy94

All you did was make instint invite,party/private chat into one whole dam paragraph. Which wasint really needed. Again nice features still not worth the cash.

edit: is that better? LOL.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

Yea anyone who is paying $50 a year to play online is being ripped off. Sony offers pretty much the same level of service and they don't charge for it. $50 a year does not sound like much but over the whole generation you will spend like $300. Those $300 dollars can buy you a neext generation console when it comes out...

PC,Wii,PS3 all have free online yet xbox it isn't. Even the argument you get what you pay for is useless since live is not THAT much better than the free stuff.

finalfantasy94

All you did was make instint invite,party/private chat into one whole dam paragraph. Which wasint really needed. Again nice features still not worth the cash.

[QUOTE="shsonline"]

Why am I not outraged. Why do I not hate Microsoft? Why do I own a PS3 and still make all of my DLC purchases on my 360?

THE COMMUNITY.

Eddie-Vedder

Why am I not outraged. Why do I not hate Microsoft? Why do I own a PS3 and still make all of my DLC purchases on my 360?

THE COMMUNITY.

shsonline

Probably cuz you don't know any better...

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"] Customer service are amazing. So far i've had 2 free network adapters, a vision cam and just last week, i got a new 60GB harddrive.-Snooze-

That's funny, because M$'ed has "F-ed" me over multiple times while I was on the phone with them. To date, they are the only company that never gave me anything, even though I've gotten RROD 3 times, and E-74 once.

I have talked to them on average 4 times a year, and I'm super polite. I guess it's just bad luck.

Worst Customer Service company I've ever experienced on the phone, and they seem to use foreign countries and it's hard to what they are saying with the thick accents.

Glad someone on this planet has gotten better service from them.

I've owned Xbox's Since 2001, and I owned Two 360's at 2005's launch.

You should, since you launch 360 cost more than a launch Ps3 :lol:

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] Yeah, it's quite easy to get stuff out of them. Great thing about it was it was just one phone call and they've never bothered asking me to pay again after that (ironically my Xbox broke two more times).SolidTy

That's funny, because M$'ed has "F-ed" me over multiple times while I was on the phone with them. To date, they are the only company that never gave me anything, even though I've gotten RROD 3 times, and E-74 once.

I have talked to them on average 4 times a year, and I'm super polite. I guess it's just bad luck.

Worst Customer Service company I've ever experienced on the phone, and they seem to use foreign countries and it's hard to what they are saying with the thick accents.

Glad someone on this planet has gotten better service from them.

I've owned Xbox's Since 2001, and I owned Two 360's at 2005's launch.

Well, have you ever spoke to Sony? I phoned me three times in one day about my broken PS3, first time i was told it would cost £90 to fix, the second time i was told £150, and the last time, the lady said it would be free. MS, seem more laid back about thir products, i has simply phoned up, told them my network adapter didnt work, and they said they'd send me a new one, if is ent them my old one ... i never got around to sending my odl one, but i got a brand new one ... 2 infact, as i phoned and said it never arrived.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"] How did you go about getting a free membership? Hardware is easy enough, but never heard of getting a membership from them.-Snooze-

That's funny, because M$'ed has "F-ed" me over multiple times while I was on the phone with them. To date, they are the only company that never gave me anything, even though I've gotten RROD 3 times, and E-74 once.

I have talked to them on average 4 times a year, and I'm super polite. I guess it's just bad luck.

Worst Customer Service company I've ever experienced on the phone, and they seem to use foreign countries and it's hard to what they are saying with the thick accents.

Glad someone on this planet has gotten better service from them.

I've owned Xbox's Since 2001, and I owned Two 360's at 2005's launch.

Well, have you ever spoke to Sony? I phoned me three times in one day about my broken PS3, first time i was told it would cost £90 to fix, the second time i was told £150, and the last time, the lady said it would be free. MS, seem more laid back about thir products, i has simply phoned up, told them my network adapter didnt work, and they said they'd send me a new one, if is ent them my old one ... i never got around to sending my odl one, but i got a brand new one ... 2 infact, as i phoned and said it never arrived.

Yeah, I spoke with Sony last gen for a DRE, I got two Greatest Hits.

My buddy got DRE a year later, nad he got a free Dualshock...we both got it taken care of for free.

I also spoke with Nintendo, and they were awesome. Like I said, I spoke with ALL OF THEM, M$ was just horrible to me...and M$ reps are from other countries half the time, which is annoying when you can't understand what they are saying.

I guess it's just a luck of the draw.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="loftus42"]I won't go through all of what I said again, just see my statement above, PSn can't do what Live can do period.-Snooze-

All you did was make instint invite,party/private chat into one whole dam paragraph. Which wasint really needed. Again nice features still not worth the cash.

First of all dont get your undies in a bunch. Second thats just my opinion thats its not worth the cash,but I must say I feel very very strong about this opinion.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That's funny, because M$'ed has "F-ed" me over multiple times while I was on the phone with them. To date, they are the only company that never gave me anything, even though I've gotten RROD 3 times, and E-74 once.

I have talked to them on average 4 times a year, and I'm super polite. I guess it's just bad luck.

Worst Customer Service company I've ever experienced on the phone, and they seem to use foreign countries and it's hard to what they are saying with the thick accents.

Glad someone on this planet has gotten better service from them.

I've owned Xbox's Since 2001, and I owned Two 360's at 2005's launch.

SolidTy

Well, have you ever spoke to Sony? I phoned me three times in one day about my broken PS3, first time i was told it would cost £90 to fix, the second time i was told £150, and the last time, the lady said it would be free. MS, seem more laid back about thir products, i has simply phoned up, told them my network adapter didnt work, and they said they'd send me a new one, if is ent them my old one ... i never got around to sending my odl one, but i got a brand new one ... 2 infact, as i phoned and said it never arrived.

Yeah, I spoke with Sony last gen for a DRE, I got two Greatest Hits.

My buddy got DRE a year later, nad he got a free Dualshock...we both got it taken care of for free.

I also spoke with Nintendo, and they were awesome. Like I said, I spoke with ALL OF THEM, M$ was just horrible to me...and M$ reps are from other countries half the time, which is annoying when you can't understand what they are saying.

I guess it's just a luck of the draw.

The 360 community is a joke.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]lets see what does xbl have the steam also has for free

ingame interface check
friends check
marketplace check but with way more content
in game chat check
multiple person chat check
voice chat check
automatic updates check
easily find online games cheek

Then steam offers awesome deals every single weekend
Has a ingame webrowser
And dedicated servers for all games So what exactly do you get for $50 a year?-Snooze-

Being able to play halo 3 online :) That's more then enough thank you.

I'd pay $50 to NOT play Halo 3 period.

The 360 community is a joke.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]lets see what does xbl have the steam also has for free

ingame interface check
friends check
marketplace check but with way more content
in game chat check
multiple person chat check
voice chat check
automatic updates check
easily find online games cheek

Then steam offers awesome deals every single weekend
Has a ingame webrowser
And dedicated servers for all games So what exactly do you get for $50 a year?GodLovesDead

Being able to play halo 3 online :) That's more then enough thank you.

I'd pay $50 to NOT play Halo 3 period.

I'm sure you would, sadly, you're in the minority. So your opinion really don't apply.

The 360 community is a joke.GodLovesDead

yeah 18 cents a day for as much play as I want, with great features like the party system, inside xbox, netflix.. yeah...

not a bad deal imo.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]The 360 community is a joke.Toriko42

yeah just a minute ago on gears 2, I played a horde game up to wave 30 and made a couple new friends.

Because you were and still are deluded into thinking that paying for it somehow makes it better. When in reality, most of the advertisements would do well enough to pay for all of it. And that all other online services (which on PC offer things like dedicated servers, which Live does not have) for free.

It is like paying for DLC. People do it because they think there is no other way and think they "need" to.

Because you were and still are deluded into thinking that paying for it somehow makes it better. When in reality, most of the advertisements would do well enough to pay for all of it. And that all other online services (which on PC offer things like dedicated servers, which Live does not have) for free.

It is like paying for DLC. People do it because they think there is no other way and think they "need" to.

foxhound_fox

I'm sure, that Xbox Live maintainance cost are not high, im sure they make HUGE amounts of profit of us, and im sure the PC has a better online experiance (atleast in your opinion) None of this changes the fact that millions will pay, and be content. As of now, it's the only way to play games like Halo 3 online.

Because you were and still are deluded into thinking that paying for it somehow makes it better. When in reality, most of the advertisements would do well enough to pay for all of it. And that all other online services (which on PC offer things like dedicated servers, which Live does not have) for free.

It is like paying for DLC. People do it because they think there is no other way and think they "need" to.

foxhound_fox

I'm sure, that Xbox Live maintainance cost are not high, im sure they make HUGE amounts of profit of us, and im sure the PC has a better online experiance (atleast in your opinion) None of this changes the fact that millions will pay, and be content. As of now, it's the only way to play games like Halo 3 online.-Snooze-

paying for dlc... well lets see, the devs spend their time to make it, they need to get paid somehow... you people are so greedy

porky_ownsu

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]I'm sure, that Xbox Live maintainance cost are not high, im sure they make HUGE amounts of profit of us, and im sure the PC has a better online experiance (atleast in your opinion) None of this changes the fact that millions will pay, and be content. As of now, it's the only way to play games like Halo 3 online.foxhound_fox

paying for dlc... well lets see, the devs spend their time to make it, they need to get paid somehow... you people are so greedy

porky_ownsu

Yes, as i said, im sure it costs very little to maintaine, that's not the point though is it? The only way to play Xbox games online, is by paying, hence why we do it. You may disagree, and think it's a rip off, you may even be right. But what exactly does that change?

Yes, as i said, im sure it costs very little to maintaine, that's not the point though is it? The only way to play Xbox games online, is by paying, hence why we do it. You may disagree, and think it's a rip off, you may even be right. But what exactly does that change?-Snooze-

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]I'm sure, that Xbox Live maintainance cost are not high, im sure they make HUGE amounts of profit of us, and im sure the PC has a better online experiance (atleast in your opinion) None of this changes the fact that millions will pay, and be content. As of now, it's the only way to play games like Halo 3 online.foxhound_fox

paying for dlc... well lets see, the devs spend their time to make it, they need to get paid somehow... you people are so greedy

porky_ownsu

Why am I not outraged. Why do I not hate Microsoft? Why do I own a PS3 and still make all of my DLC purchases on my 360?

THE COMMUNITY.

shsonline

pc wins come join the real community www.steampowered.com

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]I'm sure, that Xbox Live maintainance cost are not high, im sure they make HUGE amounts of profit of us, and im sure the PC has a better online experiance (atleast in your opinion) None of this changes the fact that millions will pay, and be content. As of now, it's the only way to play games like Halo 3 online.foxhound_fox

If only Steam owned that many servers considering games like TF2 have servers that people run independently in their own homes, and can modify any way they want to.

Steam has servers, but not thousands. All Steam does is allow people to play their games online, and be connected to a community of other online gamers.

i paid for xbox live from 2002 to 2008 i want my 300$ back

lets see what does xbl have the steam also has for free ingame interface check friends check marketplace check but with way more content in game chat check multiple person chat check voice chat check automatic updates check easily find online games cheek Then steam offers awesome deals every single weekend Has a ingame webrowser And dedicated servers for all games So what exactly do you get for $50 a year?imprezawrx500

then don't buy the dlc.. There is two options either the devs put things like "operation anchorage" in the game itself, or charge money for it. when running a business there is no point in wasting time and money to give people free content. Yes i agree that some dlc, like resi 5's versus mode is a scam, but things like shivering isles, knothole island and TLAD are not rip offs. They are hours of extra gameplay, therefore worth money.

porky_ownsu

That alone proves that paying for DLC on consoles is just like paying for XBL... completely unnecessaryfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]Yes, as i said, im sure it costs very little to maintaine, that's not the point though is it? The only way to play Xbox games online, is by paying, hence why we do it. You may disagree, and think it's a rip off, you may even be right. But what exactly does that change?foxhound_fox

Not the same, PC users had alternatives already, And GFWL was onlt on a few games, games PC users didn't even like. These "others" methods are not only frowned upon, but lack the functions of Xbox live.

I hardly think DLC or Live have ever been about "needing".IronBass

Not the same, PC users had alternatives already, And GFWL was onlt on a few games, games PC users didn't even like. These "others" methods are not only frowned upon, but lack the functions of Xbox live.-Snooze-

Hundreds of thousands of servers? Really? I doubt Steam has that many servers. I would say hundreds, maybe 1 thousand. No more.

loftus42

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I hardly think DLC or Live have ever been about "needing".foxhound_fox

Not the same, PC users had alternatives already, And GFWL was onlt on a few games, games PC users didn't even like. These "others" methods are not only frowned upon, but lack the functions of Xbox live.-Snooze-

I see you ignore the points i made ...

They don't care, and neither do i :)