Jack Thompson Cites Gamespot, Kotaku, SPOnG, Joystiq In Court Filing

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]Well you guys convinced me. You are all right, and I am wrong.sexy_luigi

You don't have to like violence in games but why would you want to eradicate sources of entertainment from other people?

I don't like country songs...am I going to go and shoot every country singer out there? No.

Well to be quite honest with you I have GTA SA and loved it. I dont believe in any of the nonsense that Ive said in this thread, i was only trying to stick up for poor tomphson :P

Well I don't agree with you. I personally believe Thompson deserves all the ridicule he's received and will receive in the future. 

[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]Look, I disagree with his stance on video game violence as much as you, but your examples of people and things benefiting from controversy (Saw, Paris Hilton, etc.) actually go to prove that anything sold for "shock value" has a negative impact on society (Saw sucked hardcore and Paris Hilton is a hideous whore...hey, that rhymed). You might as well throw in Ms. Coulter while you're at it. But really, there are redeeming qualities to violent media (e.g., Neither Schindler's List nor Flags of Our Fathers would convey the same message without violence or "shocking" material).the-very-best

I agree, I despise Paris and Saw is no good for me but millions of people worldwide love Paris and millions love Saw.

I'm not going to try and destroy their source of entertainment.

Schindler's List is superb and it is a fine example of a movie that would suck without it's (sometimes overemphasized) levels of violence.

That's your opinion (and I agree with it) but many love Paris, Saw...

Who am I to get rid of their source of entertainment?

Thompson just wants his name in the media. He knows he's fighting a losing battle but he wants to be known as "man's saviour" or whatever since I'm sure he believes video game violence will be the death of everyone.

I love GTA and I'm not psychopath. I'm beyond sick of people trying to destroy fun.

But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.Tristam22

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

Oh I wouldn't shed a tear if old Jack shoved off this mortal coil. I'm pretty fed up with his ramblings. I'm saying that things like Paris and Saw don't need to be extolled because they sell based on "shock value." Tristam22

That's how the entertainment industry works though.

I don't really care how they do it as long as it makes people who bought/watched/listened/played it happy.

I know GTA uses violence and sex to stun viewers, and I don't care, the series is a work of masterpieces, to say the least.

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.mattbbpl

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..ArisShadows

What an awesome thought! I would love that. 

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.mattbbpl

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..ArisShadows

Judging by every correspondence I've seen Jack make with outsiders, especially those not part of the press, an intelligent debate is the last thing he's interested in. That may have something to do with the fact that he's received so much hate from the gaming community that he probably just doesn't care anymore. 

I'd like to debate him too, but I get the impression that every argument that counters his main points would be rebutted with an argument that was, in essence, "No, you're wrong!" 

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.cheatymcshifty

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

EDIT: Time to end this debate. You may feel the need to exercise your freedom of speech by waltzing down Broadway in your birthday suit, but good luck covering up your private parts with the Bill of Rights.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.Tristam22

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

In the Kelo v. New London case, Pfizer wasn't acting unliaterally. There was a committee created by the local government of New London in order to oversee the economic revitalization of the community, and the Pfizer plant, along with other projects, was part of their plan.

You're right, though. Local and state governments have a lot of power over what they can do to shape their communities. Just about anything that isn't explicitly racist is okay, from what I can tell. Obscenity laws, at least in public places, are almost definitely okay.  

[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.sonicmj1

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

In the Kelo v. New London case, Pfizer wasn't acting unliaterally. There was a committee created by the local government of New London in order to oversee the economic revitalization of the community, and the Pfizer plant, along with other projects, was part of their plan.

You're right, though. Local and state governments have a lot of power over what they can do to shape their communities. Just about anything that isn't explicitly racist is okay, from what I can tell. Obscenity laws, at least in public places, are almost definitely okay.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..the-very-best

What an awesome thought! I would love that.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..sonicmj1

Judging by every correspondence I've seen Jack make with outsiders, especially those not part of the press, an intelligent debate is the last thing he's interested in. That may have something to do with the fact that he's received so much hate from the gaming community that he probably just doesn't care anymore. 

I'd like to debate him too, but I get the impression that every argument that counters his main points would be rebutted with an argument that was, in essence, "No, you're wrong!" 

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

hey listen. im not against destroying entertainment, and im not against violence in games, im against violence for the sake of violence and free publicity

sexy_luigi

If you look closer GTA has more than "just" violence going for it.

I'm not going to allow anyone to say that, especially when it's such a well received game worldwide and even the site you're posting on agrees that it is excellent, 9.6/10 three times in a row.

then why was a sex minigame included? 

[QUOTE="cheatymcshifty"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.Tristam22

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

EDIT: Time to end this debate. You may feel the need to exercise your freedom of speech by waltzing down Broadway in your birthday suit, but good luck covering up your private parts with the Bill of Rights.

Spend time with his own children.ArisShadows

Furthermore, many cities have ordinances in place that ban cursing in public (particularly saying "F*#k"), which can actually lead to a small fine. Tristam22

I think it would better support your arguement if you didn't compare Rockstar to the KKK... :lol:

kutaragism

I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

mattbbpl

I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..ArisShadows

[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="cheatymcshifty"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.cheatymcshifty

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

EDIT: Time to end this debate. You may feel the need to exercise your freedom of speech by waltzing down Broadway in your birthday suit, but good luck covering up your private parts with the Bill of Rights.

Spend time with his own children.ArisShadows

Furthermore, many cities have ordinances in place that ban cursing in public (particularly saying "F*#k"), which can actually lead to a small fine. Tristam22

I think it would better support your arguement if you didn't compare Rockstar to the KKK... :lol:

kutaragism

I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

mattbbpl

I really wish Jack would get an account here and join the forums.. I really love to debate him..ArisShadows

[QUOTE="cheatymcshifty"][QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="cheatymcshifty"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]But of course they've outlawed cursing in many cities! Think about zoning ordinances in city, and think about how housing ordinances extend to many communities. In some neighborhoods, you must conform to a certain housing color designated by the neighborhood: take a collection of a hundred houses, for example, all in earth tones. Now, you want to exercise your freedom of speech and paint your house bright purple, but it isn't going to happen (you'll cause the real estate value to plummet). Or let's say, for purposes of speech, you would like to toss everything that's inside your house outside of your house. Pretty messy lawn, no? More than likely your neighbors can take it up with the city and you'll have to do something about the resulting end of your want for free speech. I agree with you. I have no problem with cursing and I curse all the time, but just because we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean other people don't.laughingman42

Hmm... As someone who has become very sensitive to the rights being taken away from US citizens over the last half a decade, I find that to be disturbing. Normally, local governments can only make laws regarding things that aren't already covered by the constitution or other federal laws (like the first amendment). I wonder if it would stand up in court if they appealed to a higher power?

EDIT: Time to end this debate. You may feel the need to exercise your freedom of speech by waltzing down Broadway in your birthday suit, but good luck covering up your private parts with the Bill of Rights.

Well i hope he does win and take 2 goes out of business along with rockstar, those disgustingly violent games (gta, manhunt) need to stop and we;re not helping by making fun of the guy.sexy_luigi

If you don't like them that fine, but a lot of people do like them so rockstar and others are going to make more. I don't like them myself, but I think Jack went too far and I hope he loses. I still mad at him on what he said about the sims 2, that was BS!

I'm gonna miss Jack when he's gone. He's so much fun...but I think this is the last time we might hear from him while he's a lawyerrond5566

You know...I won't.

Anybody who compares me to Nazis, Terrorists, calls videogame players morons, worthless, compares a videogame to Pearl Harbor, envokes Columbine and 9/11 to try and scare people into supporting his ridiculous agenda, deliberately misrepresents laws and easily verifiable facts, attacks anyone who tries to bring reason into the discussion, continues making new Live Journal accounts to continue his idiotic bashing despite being banned multiple times, threatens to sue a legitimate website (and then does) for being critical of him, implies Doug Lowenstein is worse than Saddam Hussein, and exploits his children to help support his goals is not somebody I would miss.

Thats not the entirety of it either, like how he suggested a prank caller go buy a suicide game and get "really good at it". His Wikiquote page is enormous and filled with that kind of stuff.

I want to go sue this guy for being the biggest moron on Earth. Who wants to do it with me?asdasd

I want to go sue this guy for being the biggest moron on Earth. Who wants to do it with me?asdasd

Well i hope he does win and take 2 goes out of business along with rockstar, those disgustingly violent games (gta, manhunt) need to stop and we;re not helping by making fun of the guy.sexy_luigi

I hope JT wins. Take Two is nothing but filth and trash. I'm very happy a guy like him is doing noble thing in getting rid of vice, and putting virtue in the forefront of people lives. You people should all be rallying behind him, not cursing. We all know that violent games and movies are making this world a dangerous place.shungokustasu