Jack Thompson finally did something to the games industry we can agree with!

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]You guys that get offend so easily could always not play it. Not like that matters thank to Jack. Gaming is going down the craper when you have people agreeing with this guy. TacticalDesire

I just think that it would be far more trouble than it would be worth. Plus I can understand how someone who lost a relative in a school shooting would be emotional or upset about the matter. If gaming wants to become recocgnized as a legitimate entertainment medium, a school shooter mod is only going to set that quest back. Plus let's face facts it wasn't going to revolutionary or something. I'm sure in terms of quality it would be no better than thousands of other mods out there.

You guys that get offend so easily could always not play it. Not like that matters thank to Jack. Gaming is going down the craper when you have people agreeing with this guy. millerlight89

Dang I was looking forward to that. Oh well guess I'll have to go out and actually act it out since I can't get it all out in the game.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]You guys that get offend so easily could always not play it. Not like that matters thank to Jack. Gaming is going down the craper when you have people agreeing with this guy. BedBugMan

This has been posted before but it's been awhile.

I think this is a ****ed up game, made by ****ed up people, for other ****ed up people.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]You guys that get offend so easily could always not play it. Not like that matters thank to Jack. Gaming is going down the craper when you have people agreeing with this guy. millerlight89

I just think that it would be far more trouble than it would be worth. Plus I can understand how someone who lost a relative in a school shooting would be emotional or upset about the matter. If gaming wants to become recocgnized as a legitimate entertainment medium, a school shooter mod is only going to set that quest back. Plus let's face facts it wasn't going to revolutionary or something. I'm sure in terms of quality it would be no better than thousands of other mods out there.

The airport level in COD had context, it contributes the story (note that I'm not saying the story is any good).

This game is hurr durr lets shoot up a school. absolutely no redeeming qualities.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]You guys that get offend so easily could always not play it. Not like that matters thank to Jack. Gaming is going down the craper when you have people agreeing with this guy. millerlight89

I just think that it would be far more trouble than it would be worth. Plus I can understand how someone who lost a relative in a school shooting would be emotional or upset about the matter. If gaming wants to become recocgnized as a legitimate entertainment medium, a school shooter mod is only going to set that quest back. Plus let's face facts it wasn't going to revolutionary or something. I'm sure in terms of quality it would be no better than thousands of other mods out there.

Well, just the fact that it was supposed to be modeled after real events makes it worse than the COD airport level. Also, while you may not care about the legitimacy of gaming I myself do. I think more outsiders need to understand that games really aren't "less than movies", but it only becomes harder to defend that position when ignorant games, like the one in question are released.

If they won't to think we are all lazy fat people, or criminals let them. millerlight89

Dang I was looking forward to that. Oh well guess I'll have to go out and actually act it out since I can't get it all out in the game.

good_sk8er7

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] If they won't to think we are all lazy fat people, or criminals let them. BedBugMan

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] If they won't to think we are all lazy fat people, or criminals let them. BedBugMan

Exactly, it certainly wouldn't help the industry to have a game like this.

I usually am against any type of censorship. However if the objective of this game is to kill innocent civilians then I am all for it being banned. Recreating terrorist acts shouldn't be something looked at as entertainment and the recreation of these acts are gross.

Interesting to see what SW thought of this...they didn't dissapoint.

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I just think that it would be far more trouble than it would be worth. Plus I can understand how someone who lost a relative in a school shooting would be emotional or upset about the matter. If gaming wants to become recocgnized as a legitimate entertainment medium, a school shooter mod is only going to set that quest back. Plus let's face facts it wasn't going to revolutionary or something. I'm sure in terms of quality it would be no better than thousands of other mods out there.

deangallop

The airport level in COD had context, it contributes the story (note that I'm not saying the story is any good).

This game is hurr durr lets shoot up a school. absolutely no redeeming qualities.

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] If they won't to think we are all lazy fat people, or criminals let them. TacticalDesire

Exactly, it certainly wouldn't help the industry to have a game like this.

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[QUOTE="6matt6"] There is no link between violent video games and real life violence. So whats the objection other then a few people getting their panties in a twist?TacticalDesire

Thank you!!!!...People should know by now the difference between games and real life...

Actually there are school shootings that can be linked to the film Basketball Diaries. I personally am a firm believer in violent video games, in fact I myself play tons of them and I think they have the right to be made, but something like a school shooter really does cross the line for numerous reasons.

Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

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[QUOTE="BedBugMan"] :lol: You aint kidding. Every TV show I watch like Law and Order depicts video games in such a horrible light... heck and some movies do too. They always depict the average gamer as being some overweight, bearded, fat guy with glasses, possibly in his mother's basement, but he's always delusional.millerlight89

Exactly, it certainly wouldn't help the industry to have a game like this.

This is absolutely false. The more the industry evolves, and the more quality storytelling becomes standard the more the industry will become respected. There are already hints of this happening. Even anti-video game afficionados often concede that the industry has made leaps and bounds forward. I for one fail to see how someone could play through Mass Effect 2 and say it is any worse than an average movie in terms of character depth and story.

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Exactly, it certainly wouldn't help the industry to have a game like this.

TacticalDesire

This is absolutely false. The more the industry evolves, and the more quality storytelling becomes standard the more the industry will become respected. There are already hints of this happening. Even anti-video game afficionados often concede that the industry has made leaps and bounds forward. I for one fail to see how someone could play through Mass Effect 2 and say it is any worse than an average movie in terms of character depth and story.

.... No I disagree.. People have the right to make games like that.. Just as much as you have the right to not play the game.. Its quite simple really.. When I come across a movie I can't stand, I am not going to petition the company or government to ban it.. But to simply CHANGE the channel.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].... No I disagree.. People have the right to make games like that.. Just as much as you have the right to not play the game.. Its quite simple really.. When I come across a movie I can't stand, I am not going to petition the company or government to ban it.. But to simply CHANGE the channel.jwsoul

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Thank you!!!!...People should know by now the difference between games and real life...

Promised_Trini

Actually there are school shootings that can be linked to the film Basketball Diaries. I personally am a firm believer in violent video games, in fact I myself play tons of them and I think they have the right to be made, but something like a school shooter really does cross the line for numerous reasons.

Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

Well it seems fairly logical to conclude, that if a movie can cause an act of violence, then so can a game, in which you are from a psychological perspective at least equally immersed in, possibly more even. I want to make it clear however, that in general I don't believe violent video games cause acts of real life violence. I often argue against those who say they do, but an extremely specific and real situation could have an adverse affect on an already troubled and mentally ill individual.

You could even look at it this way, what if a sick individual who was going to commit a school shooting regardless of whether there was a game about it or not, just so happens to play the game. Then, the game immediately becomes linked to the shooting, thereby causing a scourge from the media against all video games which contain violence, even if they are most certainly not going to cause real life violence. Also just for future reference, citing yourself as one example isn't going to provide much merit to anyone in the scientific or medical community.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] I hate to break it to you, but as long as we have games with killing in it, it will always be viewed the same. millerlight89

This is absolutely false. The more the industry evolves, and the more quality storytelling becomes standard the more the industry will become respected. There are already hints of this happening. Even anti-video game afficionados often concede that the industry has made leaps and bounds forward. I for one fail to see how someone could play through Mass Effect 2 and say it is any worse than an average movie in terms of character depth and story.

Perhaps, the fact that many individuals are already beginning to shift their views on gaming.

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Actually there are school shootings that can be linked to the film Basketball Diaries. I personally am a firm believer in violent video games, in fact I myself play tons of them and I think they have the right to be made, but something like a school shooter really does cross the line for numerous reasons.

TacticalDesire

Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

Well it seems fairly logical to conclude, that if a movie can cause an act of violence, then so can a game, in which you are from a psychological perspective at least equally immersed in, possibly more even. I want to make it clear however, that in general I don't believe violent video games cause acts of real life violence. I often argue against those who say they do, but an extremely specific and real situation could have an adverse affect on an already troubled and mentally ill individual.

You could even look at it this way, what if a sick individual who was going to commit a school shooting regardless of whether there was a game about it or not, just so happens to play the game. Then, the game immediately becomes linked to the shooting, thereby causing a scourge from the media against all video games which contain violence, even if they are most certainly not going to cause real life violence. Also just for future reference, citing yourself as one example isn't going to provide much merit to anyone in the scientific or medical community.

This about Video game Violence not movie violence..Show me a link between those two...Cause your talking like you know so much right now...

i agree. ppl who are saying it's just a game, well it's a crap horrible tasteless game that should never see the light of day. im glad it was removed so in this very rare case, im glad jack thompson prevailed this time. game is offensive and looks lackluster. this is worse than shovelware. good job jack!

If something is too bad then people won't buy it. If they do buy it, then it's obviously not too offensive. No one needs you or anyone else telling them what they should and shouldn't see.

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Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

Promised_Trini

Well it seems fairly logical to conclude, that if a movie can cause an act of violence, then so can a game, in which you are from a psychological perspective at least equally immersed in, possibly more even. I want to make it clear however, that in general I don't believe violent video games cause acts of real life violence. I often argue against those who say they do, but an extremely specific and real situation could have an adverse affect on an already troubled and mentally ill individual.

You could even look at it this way, what if a sick individual who was going to commit a school shooting regardless of whether there was a game about it or not, just so happens to play the game. Then, the game immediately becomes linked to the shooting, thereby causing a scourge from the media against all video games which contain violence, even if they are most certainly not going to cause real life violence. Also just for future reference, citing yourself as one example isn't going to provide much merit to anyone in the scientific or medical community.

This about Video game Violence not movie violence..Show me a link between those two...Cause your talking like you know so much right now...

I could link you numerous studies and websites citing a correlation between video game violence and real life violence, however I myself hardly believe any of them, so what use would that be? As for the relation between video game and movie violence, it isn't that hard to see where I'm coming from. They're both visual entertainment mediums that cater to a level of immersion. Btw, perhaps if you read my previous post a little closer you would find that I am by and large agreeing with your assesment that video games do not actually cause real life violence.:?

Didn't see this posted so I'm going for it!

I didn't think this day would ever come the man who tried to ban the likes of GTA4 as well as other M rated games, has, while not single handedly, gotten a game canceled. That game, School Shooter: North American Tour. Or something like that. Now, all we need to do to judge this game is the title and some locations, like Virginia Tech and Columbine, to really make a persuesive argument about why this this should never see the light of day. While I think we, system warriors, can all agree the guy is still an all around dick, I think this game being canceled is something system wars can also agree on.

Seriously, a game, where you shoot people, in a high school or college, based on real events. Can you think of a more politically incorrect, obscene, tasteless piece of trash. I didn't think so.

Edit: LOL! I forgot the link!

http://n4g.com/news/729268/jack-thompson-wins-school-shooter-game-is-cancelled

It happened :P

And sorry about the n4g link, can't link to google translate.

RandomWinner

I don't agree with this. Its better that people just play that game rather than do the real thing.

I could never agree with Jack Thompson.

School Shooting Sim?

Love it.

Best idea ever.

I can't agree on that. At the end of the day, it's a **** GAME.

millerlight89

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Didn't see this posted so I'm going for it!

I didn't think this day would ever come the man who tried to ban the likes of GTA4 as well as other M rated games, has, while not single handedly, gotten a game canceled. That game, School Shooter: North American Tour. Or something like that. Now, all we need to do to judge this game is the title and some locations, like Virginia Tech and Columbine, to really make a persuesive argument about why this this should never see the light of day. While I think we, system warriors, can all agree the guy is still an all around dick, I think this game being canceled is something system wars can also agree on.

Seriously, a game, where you shoot people, in a high school or college, based on real events. Can you think of a more politically incorrect, obscene, tasteless piece of trash. I didn't think so.

Edit: LOL! I forgot the link!

http://n4g.com/news/729268/jack-thompson-wins-school-shooter-game-is-cancelled

It happened :P

And sorry about the n4g link, can't link to google translate.

ColdP1zza

I don't agree with this. Its better that people just play that game rather than do the real thing.

You know, I don't agree with the title of the mod, nor do I agree with Jack, however here is a fun fact: you probably only have this week to get the Jack Thompson ragdoll for Garrys Mod. At least for the rest of March Madness, Jack is being whacked with crowbars, ignited, and whatever other M-rated abuse there is in good ol GM, until he finds out, and gets it pulled. Think about it, if Jack was actually in the controversal mod, what would the news be like then? All one needs to do is port the ragdoll into the controversial mod, and add animation so it can be used as an npc. However, only on PC, can you take a picture of someone you do not like, map the face onto an npc body model, and port it in game so you can abuse a foe you know from reality however you please, unless your a game developer that has stuff go onto consoles, but I would think legal would have to take a look at that sort of thing first.

I mean, Bully, they actually are kids, and you already know on PC, you could mod the shotgun so the teen could haul it to the schoolyard, however you have to wonder how Jack could not stop that, maybe the name of the school shooter mod was the only thing that got his attention, maybe if it was named rampage 2012 or something, it would not have made enough headlines and letters internationally to get forced into hiatus. So I will say it again, I did not agree with the title of the mod.

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Actually there are school shootings that can be linked to the film Basketball Diaries. I personally am a firm believer in violent video games, in fact I myself play tons of them and I think they have the right to be made, but something like a school shooter really does cross the line for numerous reasons.

TacticalDesire

Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

Well it seems fairly logical to conclude, that if a movie can cause an act of violence, then so can a game, in which you are from a psychological perspective at least equally immersed in, possibly more even. I want to make it clear however, that in general I don't believe violent video games cause acts of real life violence. I often argue against those who say they do, but an extremely specific and real situation could have an adverse affect on an already troubled and mentally ill individual.

You could even look at it this way, what if a sick individual who was going to commit a school shooting regardless of whether there was a game about it or not, just so happens to play the game. Then, the game immediately becomes linked to the shooting, thereby causing a scourge from the media against all video games which contain violence, even if they are most certainly not going to cause real life violence. Also just for future reference, citing yourself as one example isn't going to provide much merit to anyone in the scientific or medical community.

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[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Your telling me about a Film...I wanna see proof to how video games are linked to violence cause I've been playing violent games for most of my life...And I never felt like actting out...

6matt6

Well it seems fairly logical to conclude, that if a movie can cause an act of violence, then so can a game, in which you are from a psychological perspective at least equally immersed in, possibly more even. I want to make it clear however, that in general I don't believe violent video games cause acts of real life violence. I often argue against those who say they do, but an extremely specific and real situation could have an adverse affect on an already troubled and mentally ill individual.

You could even look at it this way, what if a sick individual who was going to commit a school shooting regardless of whether there was a game about it or not, just so happens to play the game. Then, the game immediately becomes linked to the shooting, thereby causing a scourge from the media against all video games which contain violence, even if they are most certainly not going to cause real life violence. Also just for future reference, citing yourself as one example isn't going to provide much merit to anyone in the scientific or medical community.

I agree with most of what you said. I myself have said similar things many times, however I still stand by my point that a school shooter would be bad for the industry, and would do nothing but cause problems. Also, I remember reading in a book about film history, that the movie Basketball Diaries is indeed linked to school shootings. Still I completely agree, no sane person is going to kill someone because they see it done in a form of media.

I'll never understand it, it's a freaking game, i shoot people in gta, did i ever shot anyone in real life? do I even have a gun? no to both. If you censored this you can also censored any movie, tv show, video games, music that has anything violent in it.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Thats great, but fortunately people have the right to be jackasses and not to be.. Especially when it comes to something like this, nothing is preventing you from moving on.

gaming25

If you understood psychology, then you would understand why games like those are dangerous.

@TC, no self respecting person would agree with censorship.

Mods usually don't get this much attention, I bet their are loads of mods like this lol.

Yeah... I don't agree. Even if the game is rather tasteless, censorship is a slippery slope and if they start now where does it end. Theres violence in every form of media.

While I don't believe creative works should be censored, a game like this coming out does nothing but hurts the game industry image. The gaming industry is trying to move into an area of acceptance similar to movies showing how the stories can be just as deep and the topics just as mature and relatable as other forms of media. Then they have tasteless trash like this being made which only serves to at taking the industry back several steps that it has been working hard to take. These are the type of games that get attention, and these are the type of games that non gamers think the entire industry is developing.

Funny how so many people were up in arms about EA's "Your Mom's Gonna Hate it Ads" because of how it was potentially hurting the industry with the message of trying to market a mature game to kids, yet people are in support of this. This game being canceled is the 2nd best thing that could happen for the game industry only behind this game never being made.

While I don't believe creative works should be censored, a game like this coming out does nothing but hurts the game industry image. The gaming industry is trying to move into an area of acceptance similar to movies showing how the stories can be just as deep and the topics just as mature and relatable as other forms of media. Then they have tasteless trash like this being made which only serves to at taking the industry back several steps that it has been working hard to take. These are the type of games that get attention, and these are the type of games that non gamers think the entire industry is developing.

Funny how so many people were up in arms about EA's "Your Mom's Gonna Hate it Ads" because of how it was potentially hurting the industry with the message of trying to market a mature game to kids, yet people are in support of this. This game being canceled is the 2nd best thing that could happen for the game industry only behind this game never being made.

CajunShooter

I'm sorry, but only a psycho, and, or an attention whore would want to play anything as disgusting as that. I'm glad it was cancelled.

Movie industry gets plenty of "tasteless trash" , nobody really cares about it because they get no advertising and arn't released to theatres. This is the gaming equilvelent. No one would have even heard of this if not for JT most likely, thats probably the intent of the modders.Captain__Tripps

There was a times violent movies were criticized as well, but movies have earned the respect as an entertainment media. Gaming still has, yet to earn the respect and a game like this will only prevent that from happening any sooner.

While I don't believe creative works should be censored, a game like this coming out does nothing but hurts the game industry image. The gaming industry is trying to move into an area of acceptance similar to movies showing how the stories can be just as deep and the topics just as mature and relatable as other forms of media. Then they have tasteless trash like this being made which only serves to at taking the industry back several steps that it has been working hard to take. These are the type of games that get attention, and these are the type of games that non gamers think the entire industry is developing.

Funny how so many people were up in arms about EA's "Your Mom's Gonna Hate it Ads" because of how it was potentially hurting the industry with the message of trying to market a mature game to kids, yet people are in support of this. This game being canceled is the 2nd best thing that could happen for the game industry only behind this game never being made.

CajunShooter

That's good. I think it's pretty tasteless to make a video game out of that. I mean COME ON PEOPLE for crying out who thinks its necessary to recreate an event like that? Damn you people are heartless, no wonder gamers have such a crap image in media. PS2_ROCKS