Japanese devs focus on gameplay first and graphics last

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

heh, that's their problem even wikipedia has a lenghty article explaining what the western world is

Bazooka_4ME

Notice when people here talk about "Western" games, they only bring up games coming from NA...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29083190/controversy-at-gdc-phil-fish-developer-of-fez-say-japanese-dev-your-games-s?page=0

Well that explains it then. I'll tell the Ancient Grecians who came up with the term and all those who have used it incorrectly ever since to describe the western culture that since spread to North America and Australia that they were wrong when they originated it because on a thread on a messageboard in 2012 someone interpreted people's responses to being mostly United States based so the west is obviously exclusively United States.

Its staggering that you've never come across the West as not referring specifically to the united states before. It's not exactly a niche term.

you're trying to say jrpgs have great gameplay?

LOL

They focus on how to make their males look like little girls first.kingfire11

Meh. When I think of Japanese games I think of archaic gameplay.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]They focus on how to make their males look like little girls first.thom_maytees

I know what that means, to summarize it for those who don't know:

I don't wanna save the world palying as this "dude".

Is it a surprise that this degraded into a "East vs. West, which is Best" discussion?

thom_maytees

i am thinking Customization Issues on WRPGS(some are just easy to understand + rarely to have combo effects)(there is no such thing as powerful bosses just a DLC to make it more gamelife extension)

while JRPGS(Combo effects are can be seen sometimes but lots of selection to be used with LOL(funny) effects + adding with Powerful Side-Boss(like Demi-Fiend of SMT: Digital Devil Saga ) + constant grinding activities

Seems to be true.

And that's a good thing.

Japanese devs seem to do more experimenting. They're not afraid to step outside the box.

Most western games today turn out to be rehashes.

I guess the reason Japanese devs are failing in the west is because western gamers look at games like Tales of Graces f and Persona 4 Arena, and all they see are colorful "cartoons" and they immediately dismiss the games as "kiddy."

They only play "hardcore" games that have super realistic graphics, plenty of guns, violence and swearing. To them, a game's success is measured by how much brown and muscle it can simulate.

I guess the reason Japanese devs are failing in the west is because western gamers look at games like Tales of Graces f and Persona 4 Arena, and all they see are colorful "cartoons" and they immediately dismiss the games as "kiddy."

They only play "hardcore" games that have super realistic graphics, plenty of guns, violence and swearing. To them, a game's success is measured by how much brown and muscle it can simulate.

GeoffZak

Yeah ok, this overused excuse weeaboos come up with is really annoying.

Maybe if tales of graces F wasn't cringeworthy sh!t like in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dP0XsM23j0

More people would be inclined to buy the games. Maybe if they put some effort into the production values, more people would be inclined to buy the games (like FF and KH). Nah it's because western gamers only like brown and dudebro stuff, not like they buy nintendo rehashes in droves or stuff like Dark Souls and Bayonetta..

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

I guess the reason Japanese devs are failing in the west is because western gamers look at games like Tales of Graces f and Persona 4 Arena, and all they see are colorful "cartoons" and they immediately dismiss the games as "kiddy."

They only play "hardcore" games that have super realistic graphics, plenty of guns, violence and swearing. To them, a game's success is measured by how much brown and muscle it can simulate.

GD1551

Yeah ok, this overused excuse weeaboos come up with is really annoying.

Maybe if tales of graces F wasn't cringeworthy sh!t like in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dP0XsM23j0

More people would be inclined to buy the games. Maybe if they put some effort into the production values, more people would be inclined to buy the games (like FF and KH). Nah it's because western gamers only like brown and dudebro stuff, not like they buy nintendo rehashes in droves or stuff like Dark Souls and Bayonetta..

Thanks. You just helped prove my point.

Have you even played the game?

Its corny "power of friendship" bullsh*t is forgiven because of the extremely fun gameplay. Tales of Graces f has a very fun, unqiue and complex battle system that may feel like a simple hack n slash combat system at first, but it requires a great deal of strategy to be good at it.

The sub-par story is forgiven because it's gameplay that makes a game.

But people are too quick to judge when they see clips from the game like the one you linked. (It's a cartoon. Gotta be a little kids game. They're talking about friendship and stuff.)

THIS is what it's all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsuCxEYmfw

Thanks. You just helped prove my point.

Have you even played the game?

Its corny "power of friendship" bullsh*t is forgiven because of the extremely fun gameplay. Tales of Graces f has a very fun, unqiue and complex battle system that may feel like a simple hack n slash combat system at first, but it requires a great deal of strategy to be good at it.

The sub-par story is forgiven because it's gameplay that makes a game.

But people are too quick to judge when they see clips from the game like the one you linked. (It's a cartoon. Gotta be a little kids game. They're talking about friendship and stuff.)

THIS is what it's all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsuCxEYmfw

GeoffZak

Please, maybe if japan incorporated their "extremely fun" gameplay into something that isn't embarassing people in the west would buy it.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]Well now that you're including Europe as Western devs, the Eastern devs seems to agree.Bazooka_4ME

Are you saying Europe is not part of the western of world?

if you wanted to compare Japan to the US why not just say that?

Best PC graphics comes from Europe e.g. Crytek(Germany), EA Digital Illusions CE (Sweden/Canada), Metro 2033 (Ukraine)...

Culturally, North America and South America is an extension of Europe.

Thanks. You just helped prove my point.

Have you even played the game?

Its corny "power of friendship" bullsh*t is forgiven because of the extremely fun gameplay. Tales of Graces f has a very fun, unqiue and complex battle system that may feel like a simple hack n slash combat system at first, but it requires a great deal of strategy to be good at it.

The sub-par story is forgiven because it's gameplay that makes a game.

But people are too quick to judge when they see clips from the game like the one you linked. (It's a cartoon. Gotta be a little kids game. They're talking about friendship and stuff.)

THIS is what it's all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsuCxEYmfw

GeoffZak

Like Japanese have ever made good games. all Kiddy, girly, pink JRPGs they made where all characters looks same emo set in fantasy setting in fairy land like this shoo cute...SNIPER4321

yeah like Ninja Gaiden,Ace Combat,Devil may cry (pre reboot),Resident Evil,Metal Gear Solid,Castlevania,Gran Turismo,ICO and Shadow of the collosus are all kiddy,girly RPG's and emo.

Seriously you are hands down singlehandedly one of the most ignorant posters on this board going by your topics in the pasts and idiotic posts like this.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

I guess the reason Japanese devs are failing in the west is because western gamers look at games like Tales of Graces f and Persona 4 Arena, and all they see are colorful "cartoons" and they immediately dismiss the games as "kiddy."

They only play "hardcore" games that have super realistic graphics, plenty of guns, violence and swearing. To them, a game's success is measured by how much brown and muscle it can simulate.

GeoffZak

Yeah ok, this overused excuse weeaboos come up with is really annoying.

Maybe if tales of graces F wasn't cringeworthy sh!t like in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dP0XsM23j0

More people would be inclined to buy the games. Maybe if they put some effort into the production values, more people would be inclined to buy the games (like FF and KH). Nah it's because western gamers only like brown and dudebro stuff, not like they buy nintendo rehashes in droves or stuff like Dark Souls and Bayonetta..

Thanks. You just helped prove my point.

Have you even played the game?

Its corny "power of friendship" bullsh*t is forgiven because of the extremely fun gameplay. Tales of Graces f has a very fun, unqiue and complex battle system that may feel like a simple hack n slash combat system at first, but it requires a great deal of strategy to be good at it.

The sub-par story is forgiven because it's gameplay that makes a game.

But people are too quick to judge when they see clips from the game like the one you linked. (It's a cartoon. Gotta be a little kids game. They're talking about friendship and stuff.)

THIS is what it's all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsuCxEYmfw

Western devs have been the most inovative this gen

Looks like somebody didn't tell that dude that generalizing makes you look like a complete idiot.

So basically he's saying that developers like Valve don't exist because they aren't Japanese.

I believe the Japan has a few genres like fighting games, hack n slash, and STGs, where the gameplay is better than what the west makes. But overall I can't really side with either region.

Its really not so simple. I could understand what he meant if perhaps that's why we are seeing Japan shift towards handhelds with weaker graphical capabilities though. In general, a good game is a good game, how its achieved matters not.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]Like Japanese have ever made good games. all Kiddy, girly, pink JRPGs they made where all characters looks same emo set in fantasy setting in fairy land like this shoo cute...razgriz_101

yeah like Ninja Gaiden,Ace Combat,Devil may cry (pre reboot),Resident Evil,Metal Gear Solid,Castlevania,Gran Turismo,ICO and Shadow of the collosus are all kiddy,girly RPG's and emo.

Seriously you are hands down singlehandedly one of the most ignorant posters on this board going by your topics in the pasts and idiotic posts like this.

Its really not so simple. I could understand what he meant if perhaps that's why we are seeing Japan shift towards handhelds with weaker graphical capabilities though. In general, a good game is a good game, how its achieved matters not.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]Like Japanese have ever made good games. all Kiddy, girly, pink JRPGs they made where all characters looks same emo set in fantasy setting in fairy land like this shoo cute...kingfire11

yeah like Ninja Gaiden,Ace Combat,Devil may cry (pre reboot),Resident Evil,Metal Gear Solid,Castlevania,Gran Turismo,ICO and Shadow of the collosus are all kiddy,girly RPG's and emo.

Seriously you are hands down singlehandedly one of the most ignorant posters on this board going by your topics in the pasts and idiotic posts like this.

Anime games is a rather generic label. I understand not liking the style or art but saying they all play the same is false. As far as new IPs are concerned, Stuff like The World Ends With You, Xenoblade, Zack and Wiki, Dead Rising, Dark/Demon Souls among others are all new IPs that were very well received.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its really not so simple. I could understand what he meant if perhaps that's why we are seeing Japan shift towards handhelds with weaker graphical capabilities though. In general, a good game is a good game, how its achieved matters not.

kingfire11

Polyphony made a big mistake on how long it took them to release GT5. In general though, Japan doesn't take that long to release games. Capcom is fairly efficient, as is Nintendo, Sega and Namco. Its really just SE and Companies under Sony in Japan who take too long.

Well they only develop for consoles so it's not like they have an option to produce good graphics..