John Carmack:You need a 3.68 Teraflop GPU to match PS4's GPU

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/20/crytek-next-gen-consoles-pc/

"Crytek: Its impossible for next-gen consoles to compete with PCs"

 

Crytek's Cevat Yerli > ID's John Carmack.

 

ronvalencia

And he is right PC will always been stronger than consoles,even more than the xbox one which is 1.13TF after the 10% GPU reservation.

John Carmack >>> you.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/20/crytek-next-gen-consoles-pc/

"Crytek: Its impossible for next-gen consoles to compete with PCs"

Crytek's Cevat Yerli > ID's John Carmack.

tormentos

And he is right PC will always been stronger than consoles,even more than the xbox one which is 1.13TF after the 10% GPU reservation.

John Carmack >>> you.

me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. I work as C++ programmer on Windows.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It doesn't say much. LOL. The 3rd party HSA app on Radeon HD 7800 is a practical example in action.

You can avoid the copy process if you don't write to main memory in the first place.

You allocate the required job to the right processor in the first place.

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The presentation is correct if you write data on the main memory and then transfer it to the GPU.

The presentation is not applicable if you directly write to GPU's main memory.

tormentos

Standalone GPUs can benefit from HSA, but not to the extent of an APU. A dedicated GPU will have its own attached memory as well as shared memory with the main CPU. Due to the communication latency issues of writing from main memory to the video cards memory, it is not nearly as seamless as what an APU can accomplish. It makes sense that such a setup would benefit a solution with a shared memory pool as well as a shared memory controller. Everything else involves more latency and differing amounts and types of memory.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Details-hUMA-HSA-Action

OWNED....

Now this come from AMD it self have a nice day.

Read again and again and again until you understand that HSA more than anything is a design.

That statement was written by article's Josh Walrath. You missed the key assumption with that statement i.e. "writing from main memory to the video cards memory".

"Writing from main memory to the video cards memory" assumption would not be a problem if this situation was avoided in the first place.

My 3rd party HSA app example for Radeon HD 7800 and statement was from real programmer team that worked on AMD HSA system.

 Crytek's Cevat Yerli >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you

 

me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. I work as C++ programmer on Windows.

ronvalencia

I don't care the info i posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours...

Confirmed HSA is a design and i prove it stand alone GPU will not benefit like APU will period,and that came from AMD..

AMD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.

:lol:

That statement was written by article's Josh Walrath. My 3rd party HSA app example for Radeon HD 7800 and statement was from real programmer team that worked on AMD HSA system.ronvalencia

He quoted from AND,my second link to the other dude was directly taken from AND it self that call HSA a hardware design and actually even claim that to take full advantage of HSA hardware makers need to think different and re-archited computers systems..

To fully exploit the capabilities of parallel execution units, it is essential for computer system designers to think differently. The designers must re-architect computer systems to tightly integrate the disparate compute elements on a platform into an evolved central processor while providing a programming path that does not require fundamental changes for software developers. This is the primary goal of the new HSAdesign.

http://developer.amd.com/resources/heterogeneous-computing/what-is-heterogeneous-system-architecture-hsa/

Straight from AMD own mouth what is your excuse now.?

A driver update will not make GDDR5 and DDR3 work as one uniffied memory is impossible,GDDR5 is was faster and DDR3 would not keep up,but wait there are 2 different polls of memory,which gos agains AMD hUMA arguments period.

You loss admit it and move on HSA will not work on dedicated GPU liek it will on APU,and if that was possible now it would be out already and games would be taking advantage of it.

Even if John Carmack was right, that would still make the pc ahead of "next gen" on launch. These things will be around for at least 7 years (before consoles die out) and the pc will continue to grow like an awsome tree. In both the long and short game, pc wins. Give it a rest console users. Game over.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Crytek's Cevat Yerli >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you

me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. I work as C++ programmer on Windows.

tormentos

I don't care the info i posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours...

Confirmed HSA is a design and i prove it stand alone GPU will not benefit like APU will period,and that came from AMD..

AMD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.

:lol:

You still missed the key assumption with that statement i.e. "writing from main memory to the video cards memory".

"Writing from main memory to the video cards memory" assumption would not be a problem if this situation was avoided in the first place. :lol:

My 3rd party HSA app example shows that case. Small detail is a challenge for you.

With a single virtual address space, a programmer can directly access GPU's memory space. The programmer can limit the interraction with DDR3 and use PCI-E bus like CPU i/O bus in PS4.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]That statement was written by article's Josh Walrath. My 3rd party HSA app example for Radeon HD 7800 and statement was from real programmer team that worked on AMD HSA system.tormentos

He quoted from AND,my second link to the other dude was directly taken from AND it self that call HSA a hardware design and actually even claim that to take full advantage of HSA hardware makers need to think different and re-archited computers systems..

To fully exploit the capabilities of parallel execution units, it is essential for computer system designers to think differently. The designers must re-architect computer systems to tightly integrate the disparate compute elements on a platform into an evolved central processor while providing a programming path that does not require fundamental changes for software developers. This is the primary goal of the new HSAdesign.

http://developer.amd.com/resources/heterogeneous-computing/what-is-heterogeneous-system-architecture-hsa/

Straight from AMD own mouth what is your excuse now.?

A driver update will not make GDDR5 and DDR3 work as one uniffied memory is impossible,GDDR5 is was faster and DDR3 would not keep up,but wait there are 2 different polls of memory,which gos agains AMD hUMA arguments period.

You loss admit it and move on HSA will not work on dedicated GPU liek it will on APU,and if that was possible now it would be out already and games would be taking advantage of it.

The current AMD GCN fully supports HSAIL (due to GCN's more flexible instruction set) and my posted 3rd party HSA app shows this case in practical terms.

A hint for you. For every CU, there's a seperate scalar processor with it's own register storage and cache. DX doesn't directly expose CU's scalar processor.

 

You still missed the key assumption with that statement i.e. "writing from main memory to the video cards memory".

"Writing from main memory to the video cards memory" assumption would not be a problem if this situation was avoided in the first place. :lol:

 

 

My 3rd party HSA app example shows that case. Small detail is a challenge for you.

 

 

 

With a single virtual address space, a programmer can directly access GPU's memory space. The programmer can limit the interraction with DDR3 and use PCI-E bus like CPU i/O bus in PS4.

 

 

ronvalencia

No i did not it is very clear.

You  have to copy and write from CPU to GPU and the other way around,that is not how HSA works period even less hUMA.

AMD arguments are very clear,true HSA requires hUMA which current setups lack period and HSA on current PC will not make 2 memory pools work as one over a PCIe bus period.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]That statement was written by article's Josh Walrath. My 3rd party HSA app example for Radeon HD 7800 and statement was from real programmer team that worked on AMD HSA system.tormentos

He quoted from AND,my second link to the other dude was directly taken from AND it self that call HSA a hardware design and actually even claim that to take full advantage of HSA hardware makers need to think different and re-archited computers systems..

To fully exploit the capabilities of parallel execution units, it is essential for computer system designers to think differently. The designers must re-architect computer systems to tightly integrate the disparate compute elements on a platform into an evolved central processor while providing a programming path that does not require fundamental changes for software developers. This is the primary goal of the new HSAdesign.

http://developer.amd.com/resources/heterogeneous-computing/what-is-heterogeneous-system-architecture-hsa/

Straight from AMD own mouth what is your excuse now.?

A driver update will not make GDDR5 and DDR3 work as one uniffied memory is impossible,GDDR5 is was faster and DDR3 would not keep up,but wait there are 2 different polls of memory,which gos agains AMD hUMA arguments period.

You loss admit it and move on HSA will not work on dedicated GPU liek it will on APU,and if that was possible now it would be out already and games would be taking advantage of it.

 

The current AMD GCN fully supports HSAIL (due to GCN's fully flexible instruction set) and my posted 3rd party HSA app shows this case in practical terms.

 

 

ronvalencia

HSA support on 7000 series mean nothing,support is not the same as fully support with all aspect of HSA.

You have quote that picture 100 times,it doesn't change anything and i just quoted AMD saying you PC makers need to re-arhicted systems to take full advantage of HSA.

You loss.

pci express bandwidth doesnt matter shit

pc is already acouple generations ahead of ps4/casualbox

 

The current AMD GCN fully supports HSAIL (due to GCN's more flexible instruction set) and my posted 3rd party HSA app shows this case in practical terms.

 

 

A hint for you. For every CU, there's a seperate scalar processor with it's own register storage and cache. DX doesn't directly expose CU's scalar processor.

 

 

ronvalencia

Again HSA will not work on current setups like HSA will on PS4 period you loss.

I quote AMD say so full HSA requires hUMA good luck getting that on current systems.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

You still missed the key assumption with that statement i.e. "writing from main memory to the video cards memory".

"Writing from main memory to the video cards memory" assumption would not be a problem if this situation was avoided in the first place. :lol:

My 3rd party HSA app example shows that case. Small detail is a challenge for you.

With a single virtual address space, a programmer can directly access GPU's memory space. The programmer can limit the interraction with DDR3 and use PCI-E bus like CPU i/O bus in PS4.

tormentos

No i did not it is very clear.

You have to copy and write from CPU to GPU and the other way around,that is not how HSA works period even less hUMA.

AMD arguments are very clear,true HSA requires hUMA which current setups lack period and HSA on current PC will not make 2 memory pools work as one over a PCIe bus period.

You still thinking of the old DX style sysmem to vram requirement i.e. this is not direct GPU access model. Sysmem to vram copy requirement is not necessary for HSA and dGPU.

With unified virtual memory address space between the two memory pools, the programmer can avoid the "writing from main memory to the video cards memory" situation by going direct to GPU's memory space i.e. over the PCI-E bus and use it like PS4's CPU I/O bus..

From CPU's POV, GPU's memory space is like it's own memory pool.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

The current AMD GCN fully supports HSAIL (due to GCN's more flexible instruction set) and my posted 3rd party HSA app shows this case in practical terms.

 

 

A hint for you. For every CU, there's a seperate scalar processor with it's own register storage and cache. DX doesn't directly expose CU's scalar processor.

 

 

tormentos

Again HSA will not work on current setups like HSA will on PS4 period you loss.

I quote AMD say so full HSA requires hUMA good luck getting that on current systems.

pci express bandwidth doesnt matter shit

pcgamingowns

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

kickingcarpet

ps4 and casualbox operating system's both eat up more memory than my windows 7 does

[QUOTE="kickingcarpet"]

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="kickingcarpet"]

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

Magescrew

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

pci express bandwidth doesnt matter shit

ronvalencia

ps4 and casualbox operating system's both eat up more memory than my windows 7 does

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="kickingcarpet"]

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

pcgamingowns

ps4 and casualbox operating system's both eat up more memory than my windows 7 does

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="kickingcarpet"]

Sorry I guess you guys fail to realize that a desktop computer running windows is running lots of background processes whereas a gaming platform such as Xbox One or PS4 is dedicated primarily to gaming and gaming only....

pcgamingowns

xboxone's operating system uses 3gb LOL

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

ps4 and casualbox operating system's both eat up more memory than my windows 7 does

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

ps4 and casualbox operating system's both eat up more memory than my windows 7 does

xboxiphoneps3

xboxone's operating system uses 3gb LOL

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

xboxone's operating system uses 3gb LOL

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

xboxone's operating system uses 3gb LOL

pcgamingowns

so in my other pc i have 8gb of ram 1gb is used for the operating system and i have 7gb FREE for games...which is not shared with my gpu.

ps4 has to share 7gb between the gpu and cpu.

LOL GG GOOD GAME

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

xboxone's operating system uses 3gb LOL

pcgamingowns

Quake sucks.

so in my other pc i have 8gb of ram 1gb is used for the operating system and i have 7gb FREE for games...which is not shared with my gpu.

 

ps4 has to share 7gb between the gpu and cpu.

 

LOL GG GOOD GAME

pcgamingowns

pc wet dumps on consoles>>>

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] LOL, u funnyfaizan_faizan

Quake sucks.

pc wet dumps on consoles>>>

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] lol screenshot shows my windows 7 only using 1gbMonsieurX

Quake sucks.

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

pc wet dumps on consoles>>>

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

pc wet dumps on consoles>>>

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] lol screenshot shows my windows 7 only using 1gbpcgamingowns

Quake sucks.

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]

Quake sucks.

faizan_faizan

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]

Quake sucks.

faizan_faizan

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

 

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

DrTrafalgarLaw

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

Quake sucks.

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

 

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

pcgamingowns

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

 

www.quakelive.com try it sometime come play with the pros

pcgamingowns

Quake sucks.

Quake sucks.

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

Quake sucks.

faizan_faizan

Quake sucks.