Jonathan Blow Talks PS4 hardware: equivalent game will run faster than PC

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Fun Fact: PS4's OS uses more ram than Windows 8

faizan_faizan

Do you have anything of substance to back this up? :?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Optimization includes using less and or lower quality assets for set standards. The hardware in the console is mid ranged even before it releases its not like last generation where the hardware was on par or faster then what was available for pc. this time around consoles have already lost the battle before it even started. Also the hardware "gpu" will not run faster because AMD is introducing the same HSA coding to Pc and the cpu is the deciding factor how well the system performs which means if you have a modern 3 ghz quad core cpu or better with a overclocked 7850 or 7870 it will match or surpass the PS4 abilities that are locked at 30 fps.xboxiphoneps3

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it don't see fighting games locked at 30fps just because of graphics.. i don't see racing fans liking 30FPS on their GT6.Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kQ4RpgyrIxboxiphoneps3

fun fact: PS4 doesnt have API overhead or DirectX in the way so they are able to squeeze 2x more performance out a console over a similiarly specced PC

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Both of you are wrong Optimization includes using less and or lower quality assets for set standards. its not all about coding. ie lowering resolutions, removing objects npcs texture detail etc.tormentos

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so much denial

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example of optimization

which is fine tuning assets to fit the hardware which ncludes using less and or lower quality assets for set standards

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so much denial

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example of optimization

which is fine tuning assets to fit the hardware which ncludes using less and or lower quality assets for set standards

04dcarraher

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and it's not what you think it is :P

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/12/jonathan-blow-talks-ps4-hardware-equivalent-game-will-run-faster-than-pc/?mtc=comment-388292#comment-388292

From the sounds of it, hes impressed, saying that the equivalent game will run faster. Lets couch that in a heavy caveat before you rise up in righteous fury: Blows area of interest is less in how many raw explosions a GPU can push into your eyes. For The Witnesswere mostly interested in the base machine and how fast it is the fact it has faster RAM than a PC.

[RAM] really helps in shuttling graphics resources around, and since its not running a heavyweight operating system like Windows that gets in the way of your graphics, Blow says. Rendering stuff through Windows has an impact on performance. Since a console is just about games, that doesnt happen, and the equivalent game will run faster. And if you can target to specific hardware you can make it run faster, too.

it's cause of the RAMMMMM!!!!

THANK YOU SONY!

 

ronvalencia

For the PC, AMD pushing HSA for games http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games

All of the critical hardware IP in PS4 belongs to AMD.

Ahhh yeahhh. Thank You AMD. Pedal to the metal. :cool:

I'm trying to find proof that optimization somehow magically yields 2x the performance. the 9600gs is about 2x the performance of the 360 GPU, by consolite's logic then they should be performing the same. if its still a bit hard to understand, muscleserge

From what I can remember, the hd twins were outperformed by x1950xtx and x1950pro, which by theoretical performance, were only just as powerful. 

What Mr. Blow said is still correct.

I always look to Jonathan Blow for hardware information.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kQ4RpgyrIxboxiphoneps3

fun fact: PS4 doesnt have API overhead or DirectX in the way so they are able to squeeze 2x more performance out a console over a similiarly specced PC

If that were true then why does an 8600gt perform similar or better than a 360/PS3?

The 8600gt is pretty much similar in power to the 360/PS3 so if what you said were true then those consoles should be performing twice as well.

8GB GDDR5 invading PC gamers nightmares since 2013. All that power.

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StrongDeadlift

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fun fact: PS4 doesnt have API overhead or DirectX in the way so they are able to squeeze 2x more performance out a console over a similiarly specced PC

xboxiphoneps3

If that were true then why does an 8600gt perform similar or better than a 360/PS3?

The 8600gt is pretty much similar in power to the 360/PS3 so if what you said were true then those consoles should be performing twice as well.

Even the ati x1950pro( that is more than two times weaker than 8800GT) play games like crysis2 with similar graphics and performance than ps3/360. let alone the 8800GT.

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fun fact: PS4 doesnt have API overhead or DirectX in the way so they are able to squeeze 2x more performance out a console over a similiarly specced PC

xboxiphoneps3

If that were true then why does an 8600gt perform similar or better than a 360/PS3?

The 8600gt is pretty much similar in power to the 360/PS3 so if what you said were true then those consoles should be performing twice as well.

You mean people actually think a CPU and GPU are more important than the RAM? Surely you jest?

I never bought consoles for graphics I have a pc for that. I but consoles for the exclusives. The devs said the same thing when the 360 was about to drop. The consolites went crazy and then farcry and crysis came out. Then they felt the need to bring up how much hermits spent on their rig. The same thing will happen again. Consolites will act a fool then a pc game will come out and they consoles will look like crap. They will be stuck with 1080p and hermits will move on to dx12 4k graphics. Consolites will be jelly and say bbuutt we don't have to upgrade and our consoles are cheap. Oh my favorite pc's have tech issues :lol:

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Show me a 8800 GT producing Uncharted/gears of war graphics on 512 mb of total system ram...will never happenxboxiphoneps3

Even the ati x1950pro( that is more than two times weaker than 8800GT) play games like crysis2 with similar graphics and performance than ps3/360. let alone the 8800GT.

The ati x1950pro(248 GFLOPs) is similar(architecture and GFLOPs wise) to the  Xbox GPU(240 GFLOPs). Also more vram equal not more performance, if you have a low-end GPU more vram will not give you more perfoirmace. it is that simpel low-end GPU can use a low amount of vram, high-end GPU can use more vram.

2000: ''HAHAHA THE PS2 IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC, PC GAMING IS DEAD''
2005: ''HAHAHA THE PS3 WITH THE POWER OF THE CELL IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC, PC GAMING IS DEAD''
2013: ''HAHAHA THE PS4 IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC WITH ITS GDDR5 RAM AND SUPERCHARGED HARDWARE, PC GAMING IS DEAD''

;)

The quad  can't come soon enough.

Those "Master Slaves" are gonna need a GTX 780 or 880 just to keep up. PC is like Android; high in specs, but piss poor performance due to no optimization and heavy bloatwares.

Sorry hermits, you're at 2nd place, thank you Sony :cool:

2000: ''HAHAHA THE PS2 IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC, PC GAMING IS DEAD''
2005: ''HAHAHA THE PS3 WITH THE POWER OF THE CELL IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC, PC GAMING IS DEAD''
2013: ''HAHAHA THE PS4 IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN A PC WITH ITS GDDR5 RAM AND SUPERCHARGED HARDWARE, PC GAMING IS DEAD''

;)

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Those "Master Slaves" are gonna need a GTX 780 or 880 just to keep up. PC is like Android; high in specs, but piss poor performance due to no optimization and heavy bloatwares.

Mr_BillGates

 

 

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Even the ati x1950pro( that is more than two times weaker than 8800GT) play games like crysis2 with similar graphics and performance than ps3/360. let alone the 8800GT.

MK-Professor

The ati x1950pro(248 GFLOPs) is similar(architecture and GFLOPs wise) to the  Xbox GPU(240 GFLOPs). Also more vram equal not more performance, if you have a low-end GPU more vram will not give you more perfoirmace. it is that simpel low-end GPU can use a low amount of vram, high-end GPU can use more vram.

Sorry hermits, you're at 2nd place, thank you Sony :cool:

aroxx_ab

LOL?

Optimization includes using less and or lower quality assets for set standards. The hardware in the console is mid ranged even before it releases its not like last generation where the hardware was on par or faster then what was available for pc. this time around consoles have already lost the battle before it even started. Also the hardware "gpu" will not run faster because AMD is introducing the same HSA coding to Pc and the cpu is the deciding factor how well the system performs which means if you have a modern 3 ghz quad core cpu or better with a overclocked 7850 or 7870 it will match or surpass the PS4 abilities that are locked at 30 fps.04dcarraher

So far, every single dev has been praising PS4 hardware.....Impressive!

Hurry up with the EU launch, Sony, i won't be waiting until 2014, and i'm sure many are in the same boat as me :evil:

 

 

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Even the ati x1950pro( that is more than two times weaker than 8800GT) play games like crysis2 with similar graphics and performance than ps3/360. let alone the 8800GT.

MK-Professor

The ati x1950pro(248 GFLOPs) is similar(architecture and GFLOPs wise) to the  Xbox GPU(240 GFLOPs). Also more vram equal not more performance, if you have a low-end GPU more vram will not give you more perfoirmace. it is that simpel low-end GPU can use a low amount of vram, high-end GPU can use more vram.

GOD Bless Sony. lol (Just wanted to post that because I see others posting that hahahahaha.)

Really though think  the more Ram was a good Idea, can be used for the system and GPU. Very amazing design and remember kids its DDR5 not no DDR3 slow old school stuff.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] they will ignore this,every time this is brought up they act like i never happen because it makes them butthurt :cool:tormentos

my $700 2007 gaming says hi , vs the PS3 $500 or $600 models04dcarraher

Every PC gamer must know and admit that it's not the cpu or gpu that makes a performance difference, it's the speed of the RAM. CPUs and GPUs are just there for asthetic purposes.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] my $700 2007 gaming says hi , vs the PS3 $500 or $600 modelstormentos

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] they will ignore this,every time this is brought up they act like i never happen because it makes them butthurt :cool:tormentos

lol

PS4 $400 to $550 VS $1000 Gaming PC (Not including a monitor)

I will save some money and go PS4. Of course its not going to beat a PC in the long run but I don't want to upgrade a gaming PC every year with a new Video card and CPU. In 10 years if I did that I would end up spending another $3000 probably on my PC.

The sad thing is PC gamers do spend that much in a few years of owning there gaming PC, So no thanks, I am content with a powerful console that can be better optimized for and can have the hardware pushed by Devs.