Joystiq : Sony DESTROYS any hope of Jailbreaking/Pirating on PS3.

yeah...i really don't think many people are buying that one sony.lawlessx

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

If the console connects at boot, the firmware is probably checked.

KiZZo1

With unmodified firmware, a lot of other security can be included in it.

But let's just say that Sony found out a way to deal with this. It would have to come in a firmware update and that update must be signed by the keys to work. Hackers could then find a countermeasure to that. How can Sony stop this?

All this " I will believe it when I see itz " or "its BS, Sony u lyin to me " is pretty hilarious. Hearing these stupid comments are obviously showing the true lemming colors. Especially how they can't get the fact that Sony is a multi-billion dollar company. Really now? :?

SwagSurf

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

from what i can gather it doesn't alter the firmware at all, all it is is SONY's secret masterkey, the key to the whole system so to speak.delta3074

With unmodified firmware, a lot of other security can be included in it.

But let's just say that Sony found out a way to deal with this. It would have to come in a firmware update and that update must be signed by the keys to work. Hackers could then find a countermeasure to that. How can Sony stop this?

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]from what i can gather it doesn't alter the firmware at all, all it is is SONY's secret masterkey, the key to the whole system so to speak.ZIVX

With unmodified firmware, a lot of other security can be included in it.

But let's just say that Sony found out a way to deal with this. It would have to come in a firmware update and that update must be signed by the keys to work. Hackers could then find a countermeasure to that. How can Sony stop this?

Well Sony really just needs to target new games not old ones, because that's where the profit lies. There's no use in trying to prevent the PS3 from loading what would otherwise be used games. So what if Sony requires additional keys for games released after a certain firmware update?

This falls apart here: including any unauthorized backup manager software" It's not really unauthorized, is it. Furthermore, communication with the servers will only happen with an online connection, disabling any connection at boot-time will further stop this connection - how do you think the airforce managed to keep Linux -. Third thing, disabling/breaking consoles for running custom software may be illegal of Sony, jail-breaking is legal, breaking your system is not. Article has too many holes. themyth01

[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

With unmodified firmware, a lot of other security can be included in it.

But let's just say that Sony found out a way to deal with this. It would have to come in a firmware update and that update must be signed by the keys to work. Hackers could then find a countermeasure to that. How can Sony stop this?

Well Sony really just needs to target new games not old ones, because that's where the profit lies. There's no use in trying to prevent the PS3 from loading used games. So what if Sony requires additional keys for games released after a certain firmware update?

not true. Its illegal to do that if you never signed for a PSN account.

not true. Its illegal to do that if you never signed for a PSN account.

painguy1

Ironically, this sort of thing probably means Sony will never include features like Other OS in the future.

Ironically, this sort of thing probably means Sony will never include features like Other OS in the future.

hakanakumono

Ironically, this sort of thing probably means Sony will never include features like Other OS in the future.

hakanakumono

This is so fake lol. If you have never connected to PSN/created an account, how do Sony just randomly disconnect the PS3? :?Funconsole

I doubt it will happen because of one thing....

Sony isn't good at software and this is all software in the end, I doubt Sony will be capable of doing it let alone keeping up with the Hackers they haven't so far.

If in case this is real, sony would only be limited to disabling ps3s that have been hacked and with psn accounts, so that they can brick your console 'legally'. lol

PSdual_wielder

I doubt it will happen because of one thing....

Sony isn't good at software and this is all software in the end, I doubt Sony will be capable of doing it let alone keeping up with the Hackers they haven't so far.

WilliamRLBaker

If in case this is real, sony would only be limited to disabling ps3s that have been hacked and with psn accounts, so that they can brick your console 'legally'. lol

Lets assume this is true and sony does disable the console. Guess what happens? They get sued. Contrary to popular belief EULA=/=law and they WILL get slammed with a lawsuit along with setting some nice EULA precedents on hardware.

Lets assume this is true and sony does disable the console. Guess what happens? They get sued. Contrary to popular belief EULA=/=law and they WILL get slammed with a lawsuit along with setting some nice EULA precedents on hardware.

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Lets assume this is true and sony does disable the console. Guess what happens? They get sued. Contrary to popular belief EULA=/=law and they WILL get slammed with a lawsuit along with setting some nice EULA precedents on hardware.

jalexbrown

Mind linking to the case? I've heard precedents for software EULA but never for hardware.

I cannot imagine anything else their PR department would say. Damage control is their job.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Lets assume this is true and sony does disable the console. Guess what happens? They get sued. Contrary to popular belief EULA=/=law and they WILL get slammed with a lawsuit along with setting some nice EULA precedents on hardware.

Mind linking to the case? I've heard precedents for software EULA but never for hardware.

[QUOTE="pppjjj"]

This is clearly a scare tactics move that Sony is using against hackers.

Easyle

MS has only disabled the online functions and they tried to disable the harddrive as well. But that backfired and they got sued for it and they had to remove that.

Har Har Har

Theres nothing that sony can do. If they brick consoles they will be sued, if they make some new firmware software updates people will revert to earlier 'firmware' software.

The best they can do is ban people with modded consoles from use of the internet, and that's provided that the console is not as compromised as the coders claim it to be.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Sony PR.RogueShodown

Lol, no just no. I will believe it when I see it.SaltyMeatballs

Har Har Har

Theres nothing that sony can do. If they brick consoles they will be sued, if they make some new firmware software updates people will revert to earlier 'firmware' software.

The best they can do is ban people with modded consoles from use of the internet, and that's provided that the console is not as compromised as the coders claim it to be.

htekemerald

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Har Har Har

Theres nothing that sony can do. If they brick consoles they will be sued, if they make some new firmware software updates people will revert to earlier 'firmware' software.

The best they can do is ban people with modded consoles from use of the internet, and that's provided that the console is not as compromised as the coders claim it to be.

jhcho2

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Har Har Har

Theres nothing that sony can do. If they brick consoles they will be sued, if they make some new firmware software updates people will revert to earlier 'firmware' software.

The best they can do is ban people with modded consoles from use of the internet, and that's provided that the console is not as compromised as the coders claim it to be.

jhcho2

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/sony-sues-geohot-fail0verflow-over-ps3-exploits/

this is how sony will stop it lol...or they hope

I don't think it's legal for sony to do thisohthemanatee

It should be noted that a banning from PSN also disables access to downloaded content, if what I'm reading on gaf is correct.

seems like a bunch of empty threats too me.

Lol, no just no. I will believe it when I see it.SaltyMeatballs

Let's get some things clear:

According to the article cited by the OP, Sony collects information from every PS3 that connects to the network. The kind of information it collects is basic housekeeping information, the kind that any entity in its position would reasonably collect. System information, error logs, that sort of thing. No doubt Microsoft, Nintendo and Valve collect similar information from their users' machines. The article postulates that Sony could use the information it has collected to determine whether a given PS3 has been tampered with. The article further postulates that, based on its determination, Sony could remotely disable PS3s.

However, and crucially, the article does not say Sony has the technological capability to remotely disable PS3s, merely that it has the legal authority to do so. This is a key distinction, one that could significantly weaken the impact of any action Sony might take. Obviously, since Sony has given itself the authority to disable your PS3 remotely, it isan understandableassumption that it does have that capability. But the OP's cited article does not make that assumption, and given Sony's security track record, I don't think it is a safe assumption to make either, especially considering the possible legal and PR ramifications if Sony were ever to exercise that capability--no legal agreement trumps the First Sale doctrine, and it isn't hard to imagine a plaintiff successfully arguing that Sony being able to remotely disable PS3s violates that doctrine.

So I'm going to go with the belief that, while Sony may be able to ban tampered PS3s from PSN, it can't reach in and completely disable them.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Har Har Har

Theres nothing that sony can do. If they brick consoles they will be sued, if they make some new firmware software updates people will revert to earlier 'firmware' software.

The best they can do is ban people with modded consoles from use of the internet, and that's provided that the console is not as compromised as the coders claim it to be.

jalexbrown

Yes, the reason being that owners of modded consoles stopped looking for ways to get onto Xbox Live....because it isn't worth it.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]I don't think it's legal for sony to do thisshinrabanshou

It should be noted that a banning from PSN also disables access to downloaded content, if what I'm reading on gaf is correct.

California courts have already ruled that it's illegal for a corporation to brick a unit for being jailbroken. Even if this was by some chance true (I'm skeptical), I doubt Sony would really get far pushing the courts.jalexbrown

I hope it's true.