Judging the value of a $250 Wii to a $299 PS3.

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

Playstation is a very strong brand. I predict many people have been waiting for a lower pricepoint since previous gens learned them that if they wait long enough the price will go down eventually.

The PS3 doesn't have waggle , and both aren't exactly going after the same demographic. Probably at least 80% of Wii owners are female or pre-teens.

While I happen to think that the Wii is clearly overpriced considering that the 360 and now the PS3 are within the same price point, the Wii still has the mass market appeal on it's side this generation and I do not see that changing anytime soon. That being said, I will probably eventually pick up a Wii when Nintendo finally drops the price. As a 360 and PS3 owner, there is just no way I can justify buying one right now.

As a proud Wii and PS3 owner i really think that Nintendo should lower their prices, saddly the Wii is still selling like crazy so i don't see a price drop, at least this year, but maybe in Q1 or Q2 2010, to pushsome releases like SMG2.

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

Videodogg

Even if the Wii and PS3 started out at the same price I still believe the Wii would be ahead in sales but there is no way to prove that. The consumes don't seem to believe the PS3 is as valuable because it isn't bought as often.

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How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

badtaker

No gamer should care about sales. Doesn´t benefit them in any way.

Even if the Wii and PS3 started out at the same price I still believe the Wii would be ahead in sales but there is no way to prove that. The consumes don't seem to believe the PS3 is as valuable because it isn't bought as often.

Burning-Sludge

Your reasoning is.. wrong.

You say ´Wii would outsell PS3 anyway, even at the same price. Consumers haven´t bought it (I did though) proofs that´ but the price was high, so probably influenced sales a lot.

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

Videodogg

The PS3 doesn't have waggle , and both aren't exactly going after the same demographic. Probably at least 80% of Wii owners are female or pre-teens.

I dont think some of you understand who is buying Wiis.

The Wii is is bought by churchs, physical rehab centers, hospitals, schools, daycares, retirement homes, party places, etc. They usually buy a whole bunch of them for everyone there to use them.

The Wii is already slowing down in sales. This will only continue. Things are going to get worse for it, not better.

The Wii is already slowing down in sales. This will only continue. Things are going to get worse for it, not better.

PublicNuisance

Is any other console speeding up in sales? If not there is little chance that it's sales would be overtaken.

When you compare a $250 Wii to a $299 Playstation 3, there is no competition, Playsation 3 hands down. Nintendo is going to have to lower the price of the Wii consider for $50 less they can get a Xbox 360 Acrade and get about the same features, or for $50 more get a Xbox 360 Pro or a Playstation 3 (if the price drop is happening) both of which offer so much more in terms of games, entertainment, and features.

The only overpriced console this generation has been the Wii.

Is any other console speeding up in sales? If not there is little chance that it's sales would be overtaken.

Burning-Sludge

I don't think that the Wii will be overtaken but I do think they hit their peak a while back and will struggle to sell Wiis to those that don't have them.

If a 200$ 360 didn't stop the wii's momentum then i'm guessing a 300$ PS3 won't either.

I don't think it will outsell the Wii. The Wii is selling because of it's games that are not on the PS3. You can see this by looking at the last NPD chart. I don't think most people are going to look at value they are just going to see one is still cheaper and has the games they want. If they cared about value they would be buying the 360.HarlockJC

If the games you are referring to are Nintendo exclusives, which is what I'm assuming, then explain the Gamecube's poor performance to me.

EDIT - I think it's the more abstract customerappeal that explains the Wii's success.

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The PS3 doesn't have waggle , and both aren't exactly going after the same demographic. Probably at least 80% of Wii owners are female or pre-teens.

DeathScape666

The ps3 will have waggle , but it will put the cost of the system to $399 probably and still doesn't have Wii-line or Mario waggle games to attract the kids and females above 13years old. The Wii will probably drop down to $199 by the time Sony's gimmick come around anyway. It will largely be a non-factor.

I don't think it will outsell the Wii. The Wii is selling because of it's games that are not on the PS3. You can see this by looking at the last NPD chart. I don't think most people are going to look at value they are just going to see one is still cheaper and has the games they want. If they cared about value they would be buying the 360.HarlockJC

How is the 360 value ? NO HD cables (from now on), online costs money, hardware is full of fail, wireless costs money, charging the controllers cost money, most games on 360 go to PC, how is this value ?

Well Nintendo keeps Wii priced higher than 360, and you can argue 360 has as good if not better games than PS3 ( i own all 3)

i think though if the PS3 gets close to the Wii's price, thats what NSMB Wii and Wii Fit Plus are for this fall, that will sell to casuals, then S&P2, SMG2, metroid, Pikmin 3, Zelda next year along with NMH2, DQ10 and nintendo PUBLISHING MONSTER hunter 3 (yea when nintendo wants to make IPs about catching monsters popular outside of Japan, THEY DO IT!) Wii's software for next year in 2010 is looking better if not at least on par with the other consoles (even if Zelda slips to 2011)

but a $250 or $300 PS3 would push Japanese consumers to buy that, nintendo doesn't want that, so as soon as a $300 PS3 ccaught a few weeks of steam in japan, i'd expect a $150-$180 Wii. or honestly, a Wii HD in 2011

The Wii is so ridiculously cheap to make. Nintendo could easily drop it $100 like that if they wanted to. But they haven't yet :evil:

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I don't think it will outsell the Wii. The Wii is selling because of it's games that are not on the PS3. You can see this by looking at the last NPD chart. I don't think most people are going to look at value they are just going to see one is still cheaper and has the games they want. If they cared about value they would be buying the 360.NielsNL

If the games you are referring to are Nintendo exclusives, which is what I'm assuming, then explain the Gamecube's poor performance to me.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I don't think it will outsell the Wii. The Wii is selling because of it's games that are not on the PS3. You can see this by looking at the last NPD chart. I don't think most people are going to look at value they are just going to see one is still cheaper and has the games they want. If they cared about value they would be buying the 360.HarlockJC

If the games you are referring to are Nintendo exclusives, which is what I'm assuming, then explain the Gamecube's poor performance to me.

Fair enough. The appeal to the casual / non gamer is what powers the Wii's success.

it wont make a notable difference methinks. yall should listen to the guy talking about the fact that wiis get purchased en mass by places like hospitals because they can be played by anybody for a while and enjoyed without any effort. also, the wii has enormous brand name strength right now. the wii is an 'it' thing still years after its release. the sports resort game alone could give a big second wind to the wii.

as an example of the target demographic, my mom loves her wii. she is a casual gamer, and has been playing since the snes days. shes aware of the ps3, 360, etc. and even has a pc for some retro gaming. but given the choice of all the current consoles, shed take the wii. she doesnt even really want a ps3. the difference is the wiis overall presentation, accessability, and its overall elegant simplicity that is appealing. believe it or not, the ps3/360 controller is intimidating to non-hardcore gamers. so is all the online features and junk. the wii makes it nice and simple (well, not online play, the wii is garbage in that sense, but not many in its target demographic care about that)

I think it's too late for PS3 to get to #1 from Nintendo. But it has a very legitimate chance of beating the 360 for second place.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I don't think it will outsell the Wii. The Wii is selling because of it's games that are not on the PS3. You can see this by looking at the last NPD chart. I don't think most people are going to look at value they are just going to see one is still cheaper and has the games they want. If they cared about value they would be buying the 360.PublicNuisance

How is the 360 value ? NO HD cables (from now on), online costs money, hardware is full of fail, wireless costs money, charging the controllers cost money, most games on 360 go to PC, how is this value ?

First lets stop making up things with saying most 360 games go to the PC. The reason is plain it's first the only game console under $200 and second it's an HD console. HarlockJC

HD is a minor joke considering how many games are sub 720P. Secondly, only one version of the 360 is sub 200. It is in fact that version that is holding you back, ask devs out there if they would prefer every 360 to have a hard drive. Thirdly, if a gamer wants to play online and have all features, and they need wireless, and they want to recharge controllers, and they happen to need storage, then your sub 200 price tag goes up quite a bit.

Fair enough. The appeal to the casual / non gamer is what powers the Wii's success.

NielsNL

$299 is till too much for a console thats been out so long and doesn't have a huge library of good games. This won't effect Wii sales at all, but some may see the $299 price point worth it for a blu ray player around x-mas time.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] First lets stop making up things with saying most 360 games go to the PC. The reason is plain it's first the only game console under $200 and second it's an HD console. PublicNuisance

HD is a minor joke considering how many games are sub 720P. Secondly, only one version of the 360 is sub 200. It is in fact that version that is holding you back, ask devs out there if they would prefer every 360 to have a hard drive. Thirdly, if a gamer wants to play online and have all features, and they need wireless, and they want to recharge controllers, and they happen to need storage, then your sub 200 price tag goes up quite a bit.

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Fair enough. The appeal to the casual / non gamer is what powers the Wii's success.

HarlockJC

Hmm.. was the PS2 the console with the most casual appeal from the onset last gen?

[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

NielsNL

No gamer should care about sales. Doesn´t benefit them in any way.

that is an incorrect statement....

your hobby is based solely on a medium that NEEDS to sell things in order to keep on going... no sales = no hobby

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] First lets stop making up things with saying most 360 games go to the PC. The reason is plain it's first the only game console under $200 and second it's an HD console. PublicNuisance

HD is a minor joke considering how many games are sub 720P. Secondly, only one version of the 360 is sub 200. It is in fact that version that is holding you back, ask devs out there if they would prefer every 360 to have a hard drive. Thirdly, if a gamer wants to play online and have all features, and they need wireless, and they want to recharge controllers, and they happen to need storage, then your sub 200 price tag goes up quite a bit.

I use an Ethernet cable I feel old school :(, and yeah not many true console HD game exist yet on any system.

and of course, I personaly found m 360 well worth the investment :D

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[QUOTE="badtaker"] but cows don't care of sales then why are you shouting.ogvampire

No gamer should care about sales. Doesn´t benefit them in any way.

that is an incorrect statement....

your hobby is based solely on a medium that NEEDS to sell things in order to keep on going... no sales = no hobby

That's true, but as long as a system sells enough to warrant support, which is the case for all three this gen, then it doesn't really matter.

Well depends on the user, it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

No gamer should care about sales. Doesn´t benefit them in any way.

NielsNL

that is an incorrect statement....

your hobby is based solely on a medium that NEEDS to sell things in order to keep on going... no sales = no hobby

That's true, but as long as a system sells enough to warrant support, which is the case for all three this gen, then it doesn't really matter.

only because it sold well enough to get to this point... we are all lucky

last gen it wasnt like this and we lost Sega

but sales, especially for a hobby like this, always matter

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

that is an incorrect statement....

your hobby is based solely on a medium that NEEDS to sell things in order to keep on going... no sales = no hobby

ogvampire

That's true, but as long as a system sells enough to warrant support, which is the case for all three this gen, then it doesn't really matter.

only because it sold well enough to get to this point... we are all lucky

last gen it wasnt like this and we lost Sega

but sales, especially for a hobby like this, always matter

Yeah from that perspective you're right.

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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Fair enough. The appeal to the casual / non gamer is what powers the Wii's success.

NielsNL

Hmm.. was the PS2 the console with the most casual appeal from the onset last gen?

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

tok1879

Yes....One of the key factors that made the PS2 selling so well was because of the DVD player. At the time the PS2 came out most DVD players were twice the price.

HarlockJC

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] Yes, that is the only key to success for any console. The hardcore market makes up a very small percent of gaming. This is also why you are starting to see more of a shift towards more third party games on the Wii. Because the market goes where the customers are. Look at that list and how the Wii has 7 titles on it. It takes both the 360 and the PS3 to equal the number of titles that Wii has on the list. Note also that Tiger Woods which is on all systems sold best on the Wii.

HarlockJC

Hmm.. was the PS2 the console with the most casual appeal from the onset last gen?

Sounds about right.

Ok, now it is official, does this change anyones opinion? Is the Slim PS3 appealing enough to sell mass market like the Wii?

[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

How do you think the mass consumer will respond to the PS3 price drops? Wii the Wii continue to sell hundreds of thousands more units a month? Some how i dont think it is as simple as the price of the consoles, but the appeal. Is PS3 appealing enough to sell the way the Wii has sold?

NielsNL

No gamer should care about sales. Doesn´t benefit them in any way.

Yes it does.

R.I.P Xenosaga :(