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#51 chadwardennn
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Indeed. Best RPG since original Fallout, better than any BG, KOTOR, Fallout2, Bloodlines or Arcanum. Heck...it even edges out ( a little, bust still) Torment.skrat_01

Serious?

Since Fallout :shock:

Better than FO2, Torment and Bloodlines? What about Deus Ex? (even though it is semi RPG).

If it is that good, then perhaps I should buy it instead of Mass Effect. I really need a new RPG that can tear me away from playing through the original Fallout now. :P

Read one of the many reviews for this game. Dont only listen to ppl who says this is the best RPG for the past 10 years. If so then this game would have won countless of GOTYs.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Indeed. Best RPG since original Fallout, better than any BG, KOTOR, Fallout2, Bloodlines or Arcanum. Heck...it even edges out ( a little, bust still) Torment.chadwardennn

Serious?

Since Fallout :shock:

Better than FO2, Torment and Bloodlines? What about Deus Ex? (even though it is semi RPG).

If it is that good, then perhaps I should buy it instead of Mass Effect. I really need a new RPG that can tear me away from playing through the original Fallout now. :P

Read one of the many reviews for this game. Dont only listen to ppl who says this is the best RPG for the past 10 years. If so then this game would have won countless of GOTYs.

guess how many goty fallout 2 or planescape torment recd ?

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#53 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Indeed. Best RPG since original Fallout, better than any BG, KOTOR, Fallout2, Bloodlines or Arcanum. Heck...it even edges out ( a little, bust still) Torment.chadwardennn

Serious?

Since Fallout :shock:

Better than FO2, Torment and Bloodlines? What about Deus Ex? (even though it is semi RPG).

If it is that good, then perhaps I should buy it instead of Mass Effect. I really need a new RPG that can tear me away from playing through the original Fallout now. :P

Read one of the many reviews for this game. Dont only listen to ppl who says this is the best RPG for the past 10 years. If so then this game would have won countless of GOTYs.

Oh of course ive been reading plenty of reviews for the game.

and Mass Effect.

Im just torn between which to get.

I want one that I feel like my actions influence the surroundings, and have purpose.

ONe thing that worries me about the Witcher is customisation options. It doesent seem like Geralt can be customised much in appearance - such as clothing, and whats the weapons variety like? Also how is the combat? - is it most of all - fun?

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#54 AzatiS
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I am just shocked, the best RPG since Fallout and Chrono Trigger. I can't wait for the expension pack!Redgarl

Man i saw it for a while to my friends house but i didnt enjoy it?

Ive heard it many times that at the start isnt that good but after a while it begins to be awesome.Should i try it? It is that good in mid-game or later? Or its like in the first 30 minutes til lthe end? (it cant be,at least close)

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#55 TMontana1004
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I would say Mass Effect is my favorite RPG in the last 10 years.
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#56 Xolver
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[QUOTE="Xolver"]

[QUOTE="The_Fat_Gamer"]Honestly, I think the game is decent at best. The story is the same as the other 100's of RPGs, The gameplay is boringly slow-paced, even for an RPG, and not to mention the HORRIBLE item menus. The one thing I hated the most was I played the demo for hours trying to figure out what to do. Somehow the developers seem to think that the player contains some psychic ability to know exactly where to go. I talked to everyone in that bloody town and I just got fed up. Zero Punctuation was right on one thing. A game is supposed to be fun, not feel like a choir, and this game just felt like a choir to play.The_Fat_Gamer

I'm dying to know which games you've been playing.

I admit that I am not the best RPG player out there. I tend to steer toward RTSes and FPSes. The point of my post is still true, and most reviewers agree with my statements. The item menus and the overall interface is cluttered and unorganized. and the story just leaves you out in the cold about what to do. It is a good game don't get me wrong, but it is not even close to being one of the top RPGs in the last decade. I also do not know why my list of games I played recently holds any bearing over the validity of my opinion, but some of the games I have/am recently playing are: Bioshock, CoD4, Crysis, and The Witcher.

I admit that the item menu isn't the most comfortable of all, not having an auto-organize function or what-not, but if you take the time to organize and get familiar with it, every item will just fall into place.

Obviously, I've asked which games you've been playing to know which game has the same story, and why it takes you hours to figure out what to do. The Witcher has a unique story, and I haven't read the manual or anything and the game was crystal clear to me and to many other people.

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#57 dkhw
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It's a good game, but I wouldn't say the best.
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#58 TeamR
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I wonder if people complaining about the game's complexity every discovered the journal. It logged every character, quest, beast and gameplay mechanic so you could read it again later. It was a real pleasure to use. I never opened the instruction book and I had a blast
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I admit that the item menu isn't the most comfortable of all, not having an auto-organize function or what-not, but if you take the time to organize and get familiar with it, every item will just fall into place.

Obviously, I've asked which games you've been playing to know which game has the same story, and why it takes you hours to figure out what to do. The Witcher has a unique story, and I haven't read the manual or anything and the game was crystal clear to me and to many other people.

Xolver

I guess I am one of those people that like to know exactly what needs to be done. I have the witcher, but I have yet to even install it due to the horrible impressions that I got from the demo. I guess I will give it another shot and start playing it with a gamefaqs strategy guide by my side and hope it gets better later on;).

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#60 TeamR
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I guess I am one of those people that like to know exactly what needs to be done. I have the witcher, but I have yet to even install it due to the horrible impressions that I got from the demo. I guess I will give it another shot and start playing it with a gamefaqs strategy guide by my side and hope it gets better later on;).

The_Fat_Gamer

thats pretty friggen LOL

some of you people seriously make me feel like a genious. The game practically holds your hand. Look at the journal, and it tells you exactly where you need to go and plots the point on your map. "Track this quest" > Goto big red dot on map.

You need a strategy guild? roooflll. wow!

If this was BG2 or Fallout I could understand. Those games were absolutely massive and didnt hold your hand for anything. You had ot figure out EVERYTHING on your own, and the instruction manual for BG1&2 was literally a novel. But Witcher is cake. I feel sorry for some of you people....seriously....

How do you put your pants on? With an assistant?

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#61 Vandalvideo
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The Witcher is probably one of the best RPGs around, and easily the best RPG this generation hands down. It beats out Mass Effect due to the numerous issues the game had like all the hideous texture popping, clipping, intermitten loading, etc that seemed to break up the experience. Not to mention the main storyline was relatively short (comparing it to the Witcher), the dialogue system was only a masquerade, etc. On the other hand, the Witcher was extremely complex, had an intriguing story, had few bugs, didn't polarize good and evil, was pretty long, etc. If I had to chose between one or the other I'd chose the Witcher any day of the week.
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Indeed. Best RPG since original Fallout, better than any BG, KOTOR, Fallout2, Bloodlines or Arcanum. Heck...it even edges out ( a little, bust still) Torment.skrat_01

Serious?

Since Fallout :shock:

Better than FO2, Torment and Bloodlines? What about Deus Ex? (even though it is semi RPG).

If it is that good, then perhaps I should buy it instead of Mass Effect. I really need a new RPG that can tear me away from playing through the original Fallout now. :P

Yes. I was shocked as it broke through favorite RPGs :) I was a bit torn with bloodlines and Torment, but ultimately it does have excelent gameplay (which Torment lacked) and unlike Bloodlines it good out of the box, without 20 fan-made patches (plus it doesn't fall apart at the end like bloodlines did).

I can safely say it's third best RPG I've ever played (After Fallout and Darklands), altough mind you... I played polish version where voice acting and writing were excelent. If you buy Witcher be sure ti install the patch (reduces the load times 5 times) and the fan-made patch that unlocks the original english script (ATARI butchered it up to save on voice acting)

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The Witcher is probably one of the best RPGs around, and easily the best RPG this generation hands down. It beats out Mass Effect due to the numerous issues the game had like all the hideous texture popping, clipping, intermitten loading, etc that seemed to break up the experience. Not to mention the main storyline was relatively short (comparing it to the Witcher), the dialogue system was only a masquerade, etc. On the other hand, the Witcher was extremely complex, had an intriguing story, had few bugs, didn't polarize good and evil, was pretty long, etc. If I had to chose between one or the other I'd chose the Witcher any day of the week.Vandalvideo
QFT the witcher is awesome.
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On the other hand, the Witcher was extremely complex, had an intriguing story, had few bugs, didn't polarize good and evil, was pretty long, etc. If I had to chose between one or the other I'd chose the Witcher any day of the week.Vandalvideo

That is a major reason why The Witcher is a great RPG.

In many RPGs (particularly Bioware games), 'roleplaying' basically consists of either picking the good or evil option for every single quest and situation - to the point where you're basically just clicking either the top or the bottom dialogue option in every conversation.

Those games actually penalise you for not being 100% good or evil (in that you don't get any/many bonuses), so there's no point in straying from the path that you chose early in the game...which essentially makes the entire game linear ("These quests can be done in a few different ways, but I'm lawful good, so I have to do it this way every time"), and kills the role-playing aspect of the game.

...but with The Witcher, there are no good or evil options - there are just choices.
You aren't railroaded into making a decision purely to avoid getting 'dark side points', or whatever, so you can do what you think is right.

Sure, there aren't a huge amount of variables, and you've ultimately got to choose between three paths, but it's a much better system than the alignment systems of most RPGs, in that you actually got to role-play.

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#65 The_Fat_Gamer
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[QUOTE="The_Fat_Gamer"]

I guess I am one of those people that like to know exactly what needs to be done. I have the witcher, but I have yet to even install it due to the horrible impressions that I got from the demo. I guess I will give it another shot and start playing it with a gamefaqs strategy guide by my side and hope it gets better later on;).

TeamR

thats pretty friggen LOL

some of you people seriously make me feel like a genious. The game practically holds your hand. Look at the journal, and it tells you exactly where you need to go and plots the point on your map. "Track this quest" > Goto big red dot on map.

You need a strategy guild? roooflll. wow!

If this was BG2 or Fallout I could understand. Those games were absolutely massive and didnt hold your hand for anything. You had ot figure out EVERYTHING on your own, and the instruction manual for BG1&2 was literally a novel. But Witcher is cake. I feel sorry for some of you people....seriously....

How do you put your pants on? With an assistant?

Okay,

A. I did not know there was a journal

B. I always like to have a strategy guide by me for the game I am currently playing

Trust me, I am pretty smart when it comes to figuring out where to go in most games, but imagine not knowing you had a map or journal and the game doesn't tell where to go. You end up having to blindly explore the whole world to find out your objective. You would not be feeling like a genious then.

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#66 dkhw
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[QUOTE="The_Fat_Gamer"]

I guess I am one of those people that like to know exactly what needs to be done. I have the witcher, but I have yet to even install it due to the horrible impressions that I got from the demo. I guess I will give it another shot and start playing it with a gamefaqs strategy guide by my side and hope it gets better later on;).

TeamR

thats pretty friggen LOL

some of you people seriously make me feel like a genious. The game practically holds your hand. Look at the journal, and it tells you exactly where you need to go and plots the point on your map. "Track this quest" > Goto big red dot on map.

You need a strategy guild? roooflll. wow!

If this was BG2 or Fallout I could understand. Those games were absolutely massive and didnt hold your hand for anything. You had ot figure out EVERYTHING on your own, and the instruction manual for BG1&2 was literally a novel. But Witcher is cake. I feel sorry for some of you people....seriously....

How do you put your pants on? With an assistant?

I thought that was the case with recent RPGs I played like Mass Effect. The RPGs are getting more user friendly. Even Elder Scrolls became way more acessible with Oblivion.

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#67 dkhw
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] On the other hand, the Witcher was extremely complex, had an intriguing story, had few bugs, didn't polarize good and evil, was pretty long, etc. If I had to chose between one or the other I'd chose the Witcher any day of the week.Planeforger

That is a major reason why The Witcher is a great RPG.

In many RPGs (particularly Bioware games), 'roleplaying' basically consists of either picking the good or evil option for every single quest and situation - to the point where you're basically just clicking either the top or the bottom dialogue option in every conversation.

Those games actually penalise you for not being 100% good or evil (in that you don't get any/many bonuses), so there's no point in straying from the path that you chose early in the game...which essentially makes the entire game linear ("These quests can be done in a few different ways, but I'm lawful good, so I have to do it this way every time"), and kills the role-playing aspect of the game.

...but with The Witcher, there are no good or evil options - there are just choices.
You aren't railroaded into making a decision purely to avoid getting 'dark side points', or whatever, so you can do what you think is right.

Sure, there aren't a huge amount of variables, and you've ultimately got to choose between three paths, but it's a much better system than the alignment systems of most RPGs, in that you actually got to role-play.

I agree, but it's MUCH better than JRPGs. The most scripted, cliched, non-interactive RPGs in the world. Not saying they are bad, but not as good as the WRPGs.

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#68 7fold
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The witcher is a great game. I warn you though its not for the 18 and under crowd :) .....The story is top notch, and the fighting and alchemy is great. ONLY THING that keeps the game from being a top contender in RPG games is at has quiet a few bugs in it,. If they release it for the 360 or whatever they need to fully iron out the crash and lag bugs, that still riddle the game.
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#69 mijkil
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My bro will play ANY RPG you put in front of him, seriously, he even bought 2 worlds.

However even he couldnt be bothered to finish the Witcher.

Personally, i think its decent enough RPG, but its simply not in the same class as Mass Effect.

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#70 TeamR
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Okay,

A. I did not know there was a journal

B. I always like to have a strategy guide by me for the game I am currently playing

Trust me, I am pretty smart when it comes to figuring out where to go in most games, but imagine not knowing you had a map or journal and the game doesn't tell where to go. You end up having to blindly explore the whole world to find out your objective. You would not be feeling like a genious then.

The_Fat_Gamer

Well I" think that speaks volumes about how much time and effort you put into playing the game. The journal is a fairly key element in the game. And it's not exactly hidden either so I'm not quite sure how you managed to miss it.

quite unfortunate

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#71 7fold
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My bro will play ANY RPG you put in front of him, seriously, he even bought 2 worlds.

However even he couldnt be bothered to finish the Witcher.

Personally, i think its decent enough RPG, but its simply not in the same class as Mass Effect.

mijkil

I havent played Mass Effect yet so I cant compare the two. But two worlds seriously sucks compared to the witcher. I did unfortunatly buy that for my 360 thinking it might be in the ballpark of oblivion, Boy was I wrong.

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Witcher doesn't even make my top 10 RPGs list, not saying its a bad game theres just better RPGs out there.
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#73 Planeforger
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ONLY THING that keeps the game from being a top contender in RPG games is at has quiet a few bugs in it,.7fold

Considering the fact that it's the developer's first game, The Witcher is, suprisingly, relatively bug-free (compared to most other RPGs).

I mean, all of the 'top contenders' had a few major game-breaking bugs in them when they launched, but I've personally never had any major problems with The Witcher.

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[QUOTE="TeamR"][QUOTE="The_Fat_Gamer"]

I guess I am one of those people that like to know exactly what needs to be done. I have the witcher, but I have yet to even install it due to the horrible impressions that I got from the demo. I guess I will give it another shot and start playing it with a gamefaqs strategy guide by my side and hope it gets better later on;).

The_Fat_Gamer

thats pretty friggen LOL

some of you people seriously make me feel like a genious. The game practically holds your hand. Look at the journal, and it tells you exactly where you need to go and plots the point on your map. "Track this quest" > Goto big red dot on map.

You need a strategy guild? roooflll. wow!

If this was BG2 or Fallout I could understand. Those games were absolutely massive and didnt hold your hand for anything. You had ot figure out EVERYTHING on your own, and the instruction manual for BG1&2 was literally a novel. But Witcher is cake. I feel sorry for some of you people....seriously....

How do you put your pants on? With an assistant?

Okay,

A. I did not know there was a journal

B. I always like to have a strategy guide by me for the game I am currently playing

Trust me, I am pretty smart when it comes to figuring out where to go in most games, but imagine not knowing you had a map or journal and the game doesn't tell where to go. You end up having to blindly explore the whole world to find out your objective. You would not be feeling like a genious then.

uh...the journal is pretty much one of the central elements of the game..if you didnt notice it...even though the game tells you about it many times....than that just speaks volumes of how much you paid attention to it....

the Journal is massive...and has information on everything you would ever want.

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This is a MUMORPUGER.
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#76 dkhw
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My bro will play ANY RPG you put in front of him, seriously, he even bought 2 worlds.

However even he couldnt be bothered to finish the Witcher.

Personally, i think its decent enough RPG, but its simply not in the same class as Mass Effect.

mijkil

Both had good stories. Both had engaging battle mechanics. Both had interactive dialogue and consquences although Witcher did that better. Both had great characters and settings. What's not to like about Witcher? If anything, they were quite similiar in quality and execution.

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#77 Planeforger
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A. I did not know there was a journal

cobrax25

I'm struggling to think of an RPG made in the last decade that didn't have a journal. :|

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#78 mijkil
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

My bro will play ANY RPG you put in front of him, seriously, he even bought 2 worlds.

However even he couldnt be bothered to finish the Witcher.

Personally, i think its decent enough RPG, but its simply not in the same class as Mass Effect.

7fold

I havent played Mass Effect yet so I cant compare the two. But two worlds seriously sucks compared to the witcher. I did unfortunatly buy that for my 360 thinking it might be in the ballpark of oblivion, Boy was I wrong.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, dont get me wrong, 2 worlds is absolute garbage, and even my bro had to admit that in the end.

As I said, i like the witcher, i just dont buy into the OPs claim that its the best rpg of the last 10 years.

Not even close

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#79 TeamR
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Since this thread is about over, I'm just gonan throw out a random RPG that I think was kinda overlooked by the general RPG community: SKIES OF ARCADIA!

Yeah I know its a JRPG but it's my favorite outside of chrono trigger. I should replay that this weekend....

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#80 skrat_01
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Yes. I was shocked as it broke through favorite RPGs :) I was a bit torn with bloodlines and Torment, but ultimately it does have excelent gameplay (which Torment lacked) and unlike Bloodlines it good out of the box, without 20 fan-made patches (plus it doesn't fall apart at the end like bloodlines did).

I can safely say it's third best RPG I've ever played (After Fallout and Darklands), altough mind you... I played polish version where voice acting and writing were excelent. If you buy Witcher be sure ti install the patch (reduces the load times 5 times) and the fan-made patch that unlocks the original english script (ATARI butchered it up to save on voice acting)

AdrianWerner

Damn, well if it gets your seal of approval, count me in.

Considering my 360 has rroded, the patches fix technical issues, and the original english script can be unlocked - I think I know what my next purchase will be.

Heck if its that good i'll proably get the collectors edition for the sake of it being such a noice game.

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#81 Vandalvideo
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Since this thread is about over, I'm just gonan throw out a random RPG that I think was kinda overlooked by the general RPG community: SKIES OF ARCADIA!

Yeah I know its a JRPG but it's my favorite outside of chrono trigger. I should replay that this weekend....

TeamR
Wasn't that game on the dreamcast, IE, last generation? I played that game and really enjoyed it, but it wasn't anywhere near the best JRPG around.
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Well I" think that speaks volumes about how much time and effort you put into playing the game. The journal is a fairly key element in the game. And it's not exactly hidden either so I'm not quite sure how you managed to miss it.

quite unfortunate

TeamR

uh...the journal is pretty much one of the central elements of the game..if you didnt notice it...even though the game tells you about it many times....than that just speaks volumes of how much you paid attention to it....

the Journal is massive...and has information on everything you would ever want.

cobrax25

I'm struggling to think of an RPG made in the last decade that didn't have a journal. :|

Planeforger

What can I say, I tend to overlook important things :oops:.

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#83 heretrix
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I agree that the Witcher is a great game, but it does feel like an immense amount of work in the beginning and if you don't soldier through the start of the game, it's going to make you put it down and never pick it up again. Now to be honest, a couple of my favorite RPGs have this same problem but there is a difference between a slow start and "Why is this ****** game broken?"

The combat in the beginning is piss poor but it get's immensely better as time goes on, although it still feels a bit clunky.

The story and the world are fantastic, although uneven voice acting (From great to absolutely terrible) ruins it a bit.

The only reason I got through the beginning is that a few people here recommended it over Mass Effect, which I like quite a bit and I felt I should give it a chance. I like it in exactly the same way I like Mass Effect. It's a great game with some flaws that I can look past because overall, the entire experience makes it worth it. Unlike Mass Effect, The Witcher is a hardcore RPG. casuals need not apply because you won't have the patience to play it the way it deserves.

Props to them for including an actual friggin MANUAL, not a goddamn pamplet.

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#84 TeamR
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Wasn't that game on the dreamcast, IE, last generation? I played that game and really enjoyed it, but it wasn't anywhere near the best JRPG around.Vandalvideo

It was. But I don't play many JRPGs so take my opinion with a grain of salt ;)

I did really enjoy SoA though

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#85 skrat_01
Member since 2007 • 33767 Posts

If this was BG2 or Fallout I could understand. Those games were absolutely massive and didnt hold your hand for anything. You had ot figure out EVERYTHING on your own, and the instruction manual for BG1&2 was literally a novel. But Witcher is cake. I feel sorry for some of you people....seriously....

How do you put your pants on? With an assistant?

TeamR

LoL I concur.

Revisting Fallout, I still cant beleive how radical its game design is to this day - compared to all recent RPGs. You are given your main 'quest' to begin with, and thrown into the wilderness.

Thank god ive still god the 150 odd page PDF manual still handy or i'd be boned.
I wish other RPGs nowdays gave so much freedom, rather than the illusion of it (ahem Oblivion). One thing really I hope the Witcher has.

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#86 Zeliard9
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw hit the nail on the head, it plays just like a mumorpuger with its annoying "collect X of Y" quests.

Planeforger

Sure, there are a handful of fetch quests in the game, but many of the other quests actually have some serious role-playing and consequences - which is rare in the RPG genre, and totally absent from MMORPGs.

Yahtzee's negative opinion of the game is based upon two factors:
1 - he doesn't seem to like any RPGs (for example, he barely touched Torment).
and 2 - he only played through the first few quests of the first chapter, which are probably the worst and most basic in the game.

*Edit* I'll admit that it's slow paced, and is somewhat flawed...but it's still better than most of the RPGs that we've seen in the last seven or eight years.

*Edit* Now that I think about it, Yahtzee's main complaint about most choices in gaming is that you're usually stuck with a generic good/evil mechanic - so if Yahtzee ever got around to actually playing the game, he'd probably praise it for its decision making.

Yahtzee is actually a good reviewer who often makes salient points, but it's pretty much been confirmed that you can't take his RPG reviews even remotely seriously. This is a man who fully admitted in the Mass Effect review that he utterly hates JRPGs and that he hates WRPGs with "too much dialogue", and dialogue has always been one of the most critical parts of any good WRPG.

He seems hypocritical, too. In his Bioshock review, Yahtzee complains that Bioshock is a dumbed down version of System Shock 2 for the "consoletards" (his word), but in the Witcher review he complains that it's too complex and meant to scare away console players while appeasing PC gamers. He complains about that. You can't have it both ways.

The Witcher does start off slow. That's about the worst thing anybody can truly say about it if they're a big fan of RPGs. It does almost everything else really well. The item screen itself can be cumbersome since there's no auto-organize, but the entire menu screen in general is fantastic and easy to navigate, and The Witcher easily has the best in-game journal I've ever seen in any game. Simply fantastic. It has everything. It's incredibly detailed, well-organized and easy-to-read.

It's not the type of game you're supposed to rush with in an effort to write a witty review, especially not a game like The Witcher that gets progressively better the more you get into it. At least Yahtzee amended his review by calling it "first impressions", and emphasized that, since he'd only played the game for 2 hours. He played an 60-80 hour RPG for only 2 hours and people are taking his "first impressions" review seriously. Sad stuff. Make up your own opinions, people.

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#87 heretrix
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[QUOTE="Planeforger"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw hit the nail on the head, it plays just like a mumorpuger with its annoying "collect X of Y" quests.

Zeliard9

Sure, there are a handful of fetch quests in the game, but many of the other quests actually have some serious role-playing and consequences - which is rare in the RPG genre, and totally absent from MMORPGs.

Yahtzee's negative opinion of the game is based upon two factors:
1 - he doesn't seem to like any RPGs (for example, he barely touched Torment).
and 2 - he only played through the first few quests of the first chapter, which are probably the worst and most basic in the game.

*Edit* I'll admit that it's slow paced, and is somewhat flawed...but it's still better than most of the RPGs that we've seen in the last seven or eight years.

*Edit* Now that I think about it, Yahtzee's main complaint about most choices in gaming is that you're usually stuck with a generic good/evil mechanic - so if Yahtzee ever got around to actually playing the game, he'd probably praise it for its decision making.

Yahtzee is actually a good reviewer who often makes salient points, but it's pretty much been confirmed that you can't take his RPG reviews even remotely seriously. This is a man who fully admitted in the Mass Effect review that he utterly hates JRPGs and that he hates WRPGs with "too much dialogue", and dialogue has always been one of the most critical parts of any good WRPG.

He seems hypocritical, too. In his Bioshock review, Yahtzee complains that Bioshock is a dumbed down version of System Shock 2 for the "consoletards" (his word), but in the Witcher review he complains that it's too complex and meant to scare away console players while appeasing PC gamers. He complains about that. You can't have it both ways.

The Witcher does start off slow. That's about the worst thing anybody can truly say about it if they're a big fan of RPGs. It does almost everything else really well. The item screen itself can be cumbersome since there's no auto-organize, but the entire menu screen in general is fantastic and easy to navigate, and The Witcher easily has the best in-game journal I've ever seen in any game. Simply fantastic. It has everything. It's incredibly detailed, well-organized and easy-to-read.

It's not the type of game you're supposed to rush with in an effort to write a witty review, especially not a game like The Witcher that gets progressively better the more you get into it. At least Yahtzee amended his review by calling it "first impressions", and emphasized that, since he'd only played the game for 2 hours. He played an 60-80 hour RPG for only 2 hours and people are taking his "first impressions" review seriously. Sad stuff. Make up your own opinions, people.

Agreed. The journal is awesome. Usially when game has one I never read it, but Geralt's journal is actually helpful and interesting to read.

As for Yahtzee's "review", It's amazing how putting "first impressions" in the opening completely got past people..Goes to show you how much attention people pay to things. I thought it was funny and it was almost the exact same thing I felt when I first started..I don't know why people are making a big deal about it.

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#88 Planeforger
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Thank god ive still god the 150 odd page PDF manual still handy or i'd be boned.
I wish other RPGs nowdays gave so much freedom, rather than the illusion of it (ahem Oblivion). One thing really I hope the Witcher has.

skrat_01

Honestly, I don't think that I've ever read either of the Fallout manuals. It was entirely self-taught. :P

Oh, and before you get the wrong impression - The Witcher is a multi-linear story-driven RPG, more like Planescape Torment than Fallout. There's freedom in the choices that you make, but you can't freely roam the world, nor can you make whatever character you want (unlike Fallout).
You play as Geralt - he's a 'set character', but his personality, political views, and abilities are determined by you...so don't expect a Fallout level of freedom.

The Witcher easily has the best in-game journal I've ever seen in any game. Simply fantastic. It has everything. It's incredibly detailed, well-organized and easy-to-read.

Zeliard9

I totally agree. It has raised the bar for all future RPG journals.

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#89 muscleserge
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2831-Zero-Punctuation-The-Witcher

:lol:

Unreal_393
Its is the "first impressions" not the review. Also all he does it bash its complexity, when its complexity is what makes it great. I didn't find it too complex, but if your level ain't high enough you shouldn't pick on a lot of monsters or opponents. kinda makes sense doen't it.
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#91 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Thank god ive still god the 150 odd page PDF manual still handy or i'd be boned.
I wish other RPGs nowdays gave so much freedom, rather than the illusion of it (ahem Oblivion). One thing really I hope the Witcher has.

Planeforger

Honestly, I don't think that I've ever read either of the Fallout manuals. It was entirely self-taught. :P

Oh, and before you get the wrong impression - The Witcher is a multi-linear story-driven RPG, more like Planescape Torment than Fallout. There's freedom in the choices that you make, but you can't freely roam the world, nor can you make whatever character you want (unlike Fallout).
You play as Geralt - he's a 'set character', but his personality, political views, and abilities are determined by you...so don't expect a Fallout level of freedom.

Interesting.

As long as it gives a variety of choice, and freedom to develop the character in whatever way you please count me in. If the choices you make in the game do have noticeable effects rather than 'character Y dead = no token side quest', and your dialouge / choice options are complex rather than dull black and white decisions (which I hear the Witcher does a good job taking care of) - count me in.

If the game doesent have freedom to explore - that is ok - as freedom to tackle the story and develop the character is fantastic enough.

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#92 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

The Witcher isn't even worthy to be MENTIONED alongside Fallout.

Redgarl

LOL, SO WRONG!

I know, it's a travesty to do so.

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#93 drnick7
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I really enjoyed the Witcher, but there's no way it's the best of the past decade. I mean, better than BG2? Not even close.
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#94 Greyhound222
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[QUOTE="Planeforger"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Thank god ive still god the 150 odd page PDF manual still handy or i'd be boned.
I wish other RPGs nowdays gave so much freedom, rather than the illusion of it (ahem Oblivion). One thing really I hope the Witcher has.

skrat_01

Honestly, I don't think that I've ever read either of the Fallout manuals. It was entirely self-taught. :P

Oh, and before you get the wrong impression - The Witcher is a multi-linear story-driven RPG, more like Planescape Torment than Fallout. There's freedom in the choices that you make, but you can't freely roam the world, nor can you make whatever character you want (unlike Fallout).
You play as Geralt - he's a 'set character', but his personality, political views, and abilities are determined by you...so don't expect a Fallout level of freedom.

Interesting.

As long as it gives a variety of choice, and freedom to develop the character in whatever way you please count me in. If the choices you make in the game do have noticeable effects rather than 'character Y dead = no token side quest', and your dialouge / choice options are complex rather than dull black and white decisions (which I hear the Witcher does a good job taking care of) - count me in.

If the game doesent have freedom to explore - that is ok - as freedom to tackle the story and develop the character is fantastic enough.

Trust me,the decision-making in the game is the best of the last ever.Trust me,you'd love it.
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#95 Gunraidan
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Wait so developers actually made a great RPG that isn't just passable or good?

What was the last RPG to do this? Nocturne?

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#96 IgGy621985
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Well, I must agree with TC, partly.

The Witcher is probably one of the best RPGs at least from the last 5 years.

Sure, beginning isn't especially compelling or interesting. I even put it back on the shelf after I saw the beginning. But when I got superbored, I took it back in the drive and had great, great fun.

It has incredible story, fantastic plot, fantastic main characters, great gameplay mechanics etc.

It's been incredibly underrated through reviews.

But then again, the game had a huge success in Europe, especially in the eastern countries.

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#97 Cali3350
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The Witcher is a fantastic game.

If you have the PC for it, buy it. I can assure you youll love it (easily my personal GOTY 2007).

Theres a demo if you want to check how your PC runs in before buying it:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/thewitcher/download_6184007.html

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#98 Makari
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Indeed. Best RPG since original Fallout, better than any BG, KOTOR, Fallout2, Bloodlines or Arcanum. Heck...it even edges out ( a little, bust still) Torment.skrat_01

Serious?

Since Fallout :shock:

Better than FO2, Torment and Bloodlines? What about Deus Ex? (even though it is semi RPG).

If it is that good, then perhaps I should buy it instead of Mass Effect. I really need a new RPG that can tear me away from playing through the original Fallout now. :P

As an RPG experience in the vein of Fallout or Torment, I think The Witcher kicks Mass Effect in the nuts. Hard. Mass Effect has wonderful Bioware dialogue and is pretty, so it's definitely still worth playing for someone with your tastes. You'll hate the side quests/planets and keep on playing just to get to the next conversation or story planet, all of which are utterly delicious. The Witcher is definitely something new, though. The dialogue is generally good, though sometimes a bit wonky via translation. It does a good job at drawing you into the game world or story eventually. The combat's also different - simple but difficult, so it doesn't really get old for me. Everything Yahtzee said was completely true IMO, just not something really game-breaking like watching that might imply.
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#99 jlh47
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what's the witchers storyline?

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2831-Zero-Punctuation-The-Witcher

:lol:

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