KAOS Studios: 360 is easier to develope for than PS3.

http://www.xboxtoday.ca/10272007/11/halper_xbox_360_easier_than_ps3_to_work_on

yet another developers stating the obvious fact the ps3 is not a developer-friendly architecture...

i think this is a sign of things to come. the ps3 is only on the market for less than a year and a ton of developers are already complaining about it....

i loved his analogy of circles, squares and triangles...

...great thinking, sony..:roll:

360 FTW :D

thanks for the info, its not like we didnt know this all ready.

goosh people are just dumb, hit the search button

This is news to me!

:|

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

...Who the hell are KAOS?Verge_6

They're making the extremely crappy looking Frontlines: Fuel of War

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]...Who the hell are KAOS?Not-A-Stalker

They're making the extremely crappy looking Frontlines: Fuel of War

Oh, you mean the game that looked cool a year back, and now looks like total ****. Gotcha.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]...Who the hell are KAOS?Verge_6

They're making the extremely crappy looking Frontlines: Fuel of War

Oh, you mean the game that looked cool a year back, and now looks like total ****. Gotcha.

I think it look good

Cow palming it off as old news.

Sure, it's old news, but it's an indication that developers arent happy that theyre having to spend more time and resources ($$$$$$$$$$$$) on making PS3 games that they can't make their money back on - Hello Lair/Heavenly Sword.

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Apples and oranges, sir.It is your interpretation that is incorrect. Cows understand the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Always have. Nobody has ever denied it. The resean they call devs lazy is for not taking the time or putting in the effort to LEARN the hardware...which is how you eventually get used to it and make it less difficult.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

ZIMdoom

Apples and oranges, sir.It is your interpretation that is incorrect. Cows understand the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Always have. Nobody has ever denied it. The resean they call devs lazy is for not taking the time or putting in the effort to LEARN the hardware...which is how you eventually get used to it and make it less difficult.

This makes no sense..

if sony had done their homework they would have created an architecture that is more user friendly to developers. After all, GAMES is what is driving this market.

w/o games, created on a cost efficient schedule, the ps3's developer base is going to continue to shrink with more developers ignoring the ps3... like Warner Games for instance....

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

ChrisMun

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

Well... it's not the PS3's fault Factor 5 didn't include analog control. :

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

ooooo...i forgot about that...

*waits for Zim's excuse*

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

ZIMdoom

Apples and oranges, sir.It is your interpretation that is incorrect. Cows understand the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Always have. Nobody has ever denied it. The resean they call devs lazy is for not taking the time or putting in the effort to LEARN the hardware...which is how you eventually get used to it and make it less difficult.

If its apples and oranges and my interprtation is incorrect that means yours is as well. You were saying, chuck? :shock:

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Not-A-Stalker

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

Well... it's not the PS3's fault Factor 5 didn't include analog control. :

riiiiiight....:roll: "lazy devs"....

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

tango90101

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

Well... it's not the PS3's fault Factor 5 didn't include analog control. :

riiiiiight....:roll: "lazy devs"....

I didn't say that. :|

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Correction. The "lazy dev" claim is for the ports. As for the games made ground up is a different ballgame.

Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

Blame the devs for?

Blame the devs for?

failing (miserably) to live up to the game and ps3's "potential"...

Well... it's not the PS3's fault Factor 5 didn't include analog control. :

riiiiiight....:roll: "lazy devs"....

I didn't say that. :|

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

ChrisMun

Blame the devs for?

Enjoy wading through 89 pages of dev blaming, mass suicide account posting, GS threatening, damage controlling rhetoric from your friendly cows.... :shock:

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

tango90101

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

Not-A-Stalker

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

there you go...blaming the developers...nice...:lol:

which ps3 exclusive hit AAA status? after all they ALL were hyped to be "360 killing AAA excloooosives"...:roll:

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]Lair was from the ground up and cows blamed the devs... :shock:

Magical_Zebra

Blame the devs for?

Enjoy wading through 89 pages of dev blaming, mass suicide account posting, GS threatening, damage controlling rhetoric from your friendly cows.... :shock:

All I see in the 5 pages I scanned were Lemmings claiming "Flop of the Year."

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

tango90101

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

there you go...blaming the developers...nice...:lol:

which ps3 exclusive hit AAA status? after all they ALL were hyped to be "360 killing AAA excloooosives"...:roll:

Duh, who else are you going to blame for not including analog control? :|

And no one said anything about AAA exclusives. You said just regular old exclusives. They were not all hyped AAA. :| Folklore and Warhawk for example are not flops.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

Not-A-Stalker

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

there you go...blaming the developers...nice...:lol:

which ps3 exclusive hit AAA status? after all they ALL were hyped to be "360 killing AAA excloooosives"...:roll:

Duh, who else are you going to blame for not including analog control? :|

And no one said anything about AAA exclusives. You said just regular old exclusives. They were not all hyped AAA. :| Folklore and Warhawk for example are not flops.

1. it the architecture was easier to work on they would have included it.

2. the analog is only ONE of MANY problems stated with this game..

3. and yes...all ps3 exclusives were hyped AAA... silly i know, but they're ps3 zealouts...i would expect no less....

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

tango90101

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

there you go...blaming the developers...nice...:lol:

which ps3 exclusive hit AAA status? after all they ALL were hyped to be "360 killing AAA excloooosives"...:roll:

Duh, who else are you going to blame for not including analog control? :|

And no one said anything about AAA exclusives. You said just regular old exclusives. They were not all hyped AAA. :| Folklore and Warhawk for example are not flops.

1. it the architecture was easier to work on they would have included it.

2. the analog is only ONE of MANY problems stated with this game..

3. and yes...all ps3 exclusives were hyped AAA... silly i know, but they're ps3 zealouts...i would expect no less....

You're ****ing kidding me, right? :|

1. I'm not claiming to be a professional game developer or anything close to that, but trust me. The PS3 architecture doesn't really make it harder to put in analog controls. If freaking Incognito could make great controls for Warhawks with the Sixaxis and analog, so could Factor 5.

2. Barely. The only complaints for the game I had (or remembered from reviews) were the controls and the camera. Both would have been fixed by making an analog controls option. (It feels more natural controling the dragon and camera on the sticks than dragon with sixaxis and camera with a stick)

3. No.

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3. and yes...all ps3 exclusives were hyped AAA... silly i know, but they're ps3 zealouts...i would expect no less....

tango90101

Any game announced for the PS3 for the most part has been hyped to be (insert godly mythic creature here) and absolutely crush anything on the competition. Not to mention this (insert PS3 game here) can only be played on the PS3 as the 360 can not create (insert random Sony pr banter here) like our PS3 can. :shock:

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

what are you saying? you're saying it's not the ps3's fault (and more than likely it really is the architecture's fault) for a poorly made game...

who's fault is it that EVERY single ps3's exclusive has flopped....?

Not-A-Stalker

I'm not saying Factor 5 is lazy. I mean, who am I to say these professional game developers are lazy? But it is their fault for not including analog control. :| Lair very well could have landed AA status with analog control.

And not every single PS3 exclusive has flopped. :|

there you go...blaming the developers...nice...:lol:

which ps3 exclusive hit AAA status? after all they ALL were hyped to be "360 killing AAA excloooosives"...:roll:

Duh, who else are you going to blame for not including analog control? :|

And no one said anything about AAA exclusives. You said just regular old exclusives. They were not all hyped AAA. :| Folklore and Warhawk for example are not flops.

1. it the architecture was easier to work on they would have included it.

2. the analog is only ONE of MANY problems stated with this game..

3. and yes...all ps3 exclusives were hyped AAA... silly i know, but they're ps3 zealouts...i would expect no less....

You're ****ing kidding me, right? :|

1. I'm not claiming to be a professional game developer or anything close to that, but trust me. The PS3 architecture doesn't really make it harder to put in analog controls. If freaking Incognito could make great controls for Warhawks with the Sixaxis and analog, so could Factor 5.

2. Barely. The only complaints for the game I had (or remembered from reviews) were the controls and the camera. Both would have been fixed by making an analog controls option. (It feels more natural controling the dragon and camera on the sticks than dragon with sixaxis and camera with a stick)

3. No.

1. noone has called warhawk's control "great" in any review...

2. if it just that easy, they would have done it. the fact that it is NOT so easy is the point of the topic

3. yep...

1. noone has called warhawk's control "great" in any review...

2. if it just that easy, they would have done it. the fact that it is NOT so easy is the point of the topic

3. yep...

tango90101

Just looked at IGN and Gamespots review. Both said it had great controls. :\ And why does a review have to say it for it to be true? If a review doesn't mention something, why does it mean they aren't good? :|

2. What the hell kind of logic is this? They didn't put in analog controls so that must mean its hard to put in? Again, I use Warhawk and Blazing Angels as perfect examples of good controls with sixaxis and analog sticks.

3. No. The fact that you think Cows hyped every single PS3 game AAA tells me you're nothing but a fanboy desperate for "ownage." Grow up.

I think I'm done with this topic...

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

1. noone has called warhawk's control "great" in any review...

2. if it just that easy, they would have done it. the fact that it is NOT so easy is the point of the topic

3. yep...

Not-A-Stalker

Just looked at IGN and Gamespots review. Both said it had great controls. :\ And why does a review have to say it for it to be true? If a review doesn't mention something, why does it mean they aren't good? :|

2. What the hell kind of logic is this? They didn't put in analog controls so that must mean its hard to put in? Again, I use Warhawk and Blazing Angels as perfect examples of good controls with sixaxis and analog sticks.

3. No. The fact that you think Cows hyped every single PS3 game AAA tells me you're nothing but a fanboy desperate for "ownage." Grow up.

I think I'm done with this topic...

so, in paraphrase, blame the developers...:roll:

thanks for sticking to the script...

so, in paraphrase, blame the developers...:roll:

thanks for sticking to the script...

tango90101

Yes, it's Factor 5's fault Lair sucked, as a result of botched controls. They made the game didn't they? The game had no technical problems such as graphics or framrates from what I've played.

Are you really blaming the PS3 because Factor 5 didn't put analog controls in Lair? :|

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Just like the 360s games tend to suffer with poor framerates.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

leejohnson7

Just like the 360s games tend to suffer with poor framerates.

Can you give me a list of these games that studder with framerate issues? I have 33 games and I dont recall any of them studdering. So please refresh my memory please... :shock:

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Magical_Zebra

Just like the 360s games tend to suffer with poor framerates.

Can you give me a list of these games that studder with framerate issues? I have 33 games and I dont recall any of them studdering. So please refresh my memory please... :shock:

I'm having trouble figuring out these games too... Gears of War had some dips, but besides that I can't think of another 360 game with framrate problems. :|

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

so, in paraphrase, blame the developers...:roll:

thanks for sticking to the script...

Not-A-Stalker

Yes, it's Factor 5's fault Lair sucked, as a result of botched controls. They made the game didn't they? The game had no technical problems such as graphics or framrates from what I've played.

Are you really blaming the PS3 because Factor 5 didn't put analog controls in Lair? :|

if the ps3 was easier to work on they would have done it....

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Why is this news? Everybody knows that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for. Even the most fanatical cows understand this to be fact.

Not-A-Stalker

Just like the 360s games tend to suffer with poor framerates.

Can you give me a list of these games that studder with framerate issues? I have 33 games and I dont recall any of them studdering. So please refresh my memory please... :shock:

I'm having trouble figuring out these games too... Gears of War had some dips, but besides that I can't think of another 360 game with framrate problems. :|