[Kaz Hirai] PS3 was made hard to develop on purpose(?)

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process"

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HAHAHA This must be one of the worst recent statements coming from the videogame industry, and as usual, its from Kaz Hirai

:lol::lol::lol:

Quote taken from interview with the Official Playstation Magazine UK

http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Kaz-Hirai-we-re-the-official-leader-Ninty-in-a-different-world-MS-lacks-longevity/pg/49/aid/128178

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process"

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HAHAHA This must be one of the worst recent statements coming from the videogame industry, and as usual, its from Kaz Hirai

:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.videogamer.com/news/20-01-2009-10424.html

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process"

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HAHAHA This must be one of the worst recent statements coming from the videogame industry, and as usual, its from Kaz Hirai

:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.videogamer.com/news/20-01-2009-10424.html

so its just difficult for no good reason?

still not sure how they didnt realize that this may hinder the quality of their multiplats

sounds like damage control to me....

i just read the link, maybe it's just me but i didn't see that quotest1ka

ok...

Thats a rubbish explanation. Even I could come up woth a better reason than that.

They should employ me :P Id love to spend all day coming up with any old rubbish for god knows how much money.

(sitting on hugely comfy expensive chair in huge office) "Dam, if I dont do something Im gonna get sacked!" (writed short, ill though out speech on tatty old piece of paper)

"there we go" Goes back to spending money...

Sounds good to me :)

i just read the link, maybe it's just me but i didn't see that quotest1ka

You are right, it isn't in that link. Doing a very quick search on the internet and coming across a site I have not seen, I did find this

http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Kaz-Hirai-we-re-the-official-leader-Ninty-in-a-different-world-MS-lacks-longevity/pg/49/aid/128178

Which does have that quote

[QUOTE="st1ka"]i just read the link, maybe it's just me but i didn't see that quotespinecaton

You are right, it isn't in that link. Doing a very quick search on the internet and coming across a site I have not seen, I did find this

http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Kaz-Hirai-we-re-the-official-leader-Ninty-in-a-different-world-MS-lacks-longevity/pg/49/aid/128178

Which does have that quote

Another Sony great.......

SW cows should send a roll of duct tape to Sony for use on this guys mouth - yikes !

GAF never fails :lol:

MIND BLOWN!!!!

All it did was piss developers off and resulted in a ton of horrible multiplat ports.Parasomniac

This is pretty much standard for Sony, they have always had a console which takes years to get the most out of. What you are seeing now is what should have happened last gen, but the PS2 managed to score huge sales early on solely on the name of its predecessor forcing all development onto it.

Going on the slow development of PS games this gen after 10 years you may have just about caught up with the number of games the competition has, great job :?.

So why isn't this guy fired yet?corn_dogs

This is pretty much standard for Sony, they have always had a console which takes years to get the most out of. What you are seeing now is what should have happened last gen, but the PS2 managed to score huge sales early on solely on the name of its predecessor forcing all development onto it.SapSacPrime

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"]This is pretty much standard for Sony, they have always had a console which takes years to get the most out of. What you are seeing now is what should have happened last gen, but the PS2 managed to score huge sales early on solely on the name of its predecessor forcing all development onto it.Grinning_Demon

I'm sorry, but that link you gave has nothing about him saying that.

I'm sorry, but that link you gave has nothing about him saying that.

SeanDiff

No?

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Hirai talked about lifespans, saying that the PlayStation brand will definitely stay, and that their current console won't "fall by the way side in five years." Appending his earlier statement, he followed up by pointing out that this simple five year milestone has yet to be breached by Microsoft.

Yeah, Hirai's pretty confident about the PlayStation's lifespan. He added that "unless things go really bad, there's no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going have a higher install base."

He also responded to the many claims of developers finding difficulty in creating software for the PS3.

We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

stvee101

thats not a good thing. why not have the best graphical output sooner? i see no advantage is hindering graphical fidelity early in a consoles lifespan...

thats what was good about the GC and XBOX, they were optimised early in their life...

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

ogvampire

thats not a good thing. why not have the best graphical output sooner? i see no advantage is hindering graphical fidelity early in a consoles lifespan...

thats what was good about the GC and XBOX, they were optimised early in their life...

But why shouldn't developers see how far they can push the system?

Its all good and well "maxing" the system from the off but ,speaking for myself,I was thrilled to see how great games like SOTC and GOW looked when compared to ealier launch titles.It let me know that there were some really talented and ambitious developers out there who were willing to really push themselves.

Or should we just listen to the great Homer Simpson:"If somethings hard to to,then its not worth doing" ?:P

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="stvee101"]

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

stvee101

thats not a good thing. why not have the best graphical output sooner? i see no advantage is hindering graphical fidelity early in a consoles lifespan...

thats what was good about the GC and XBOX, they were optimised early in their life...

But why shouldn't developers see how far they can push the system?

Its all good and well "maxing" the system from the off but ,speaking for myself,I was thrilled to see how great games like SOTC and GOW looked when compared to ealier launch titles.It let me know that there were some really talented and ambitious developers out there who were willing to really push themselves.

Or should we just listen to the great Homer Simpson:"If somethings hard to to,then its not worth doing" ?:P

if developers knew the architect better and it was easier to program for im sure they would have an easier time pushing the hardware...

this really has nothing to do with developers imagination or ability to push a system, its just hindering the process

if you think about it, having difficult architecture just wastes developers time... time that could be spent on actually coming up with new ideas for games

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

[QUOTE="stvee101"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

thats not a good thing. why not have the best graphical output sooner? i see no advantage is hindering graphical fidelity early in a consoles lifespan...

thats what was good about the GC and XBOX, they were optimised early in their life...

ogvampire

But why shouldn't developers see how far they can push the system?

Its all good and well "maxing" the system from the off but ,speaking for myself,I was thrilled to see how great games like SOTC and GOW looked when compared to ealier launch titles.It let me know that there were some really talented and ambitious developers out there who were willing to really push themselves.

Or should we just listen to the great Homer Simpson:"If somethings hard to to,then its not worth doing" ?:P

if developers knew the architect better and it was easier to program for im sure they would have an easier time pushing the hardware...

this really has nothing to do with developers imagination or ability to push a system, its just hindering the process

if you think about it, having difficult architecture just wastes developers time... time that could be spent on actually coming up with new ideas for games

I agree that the PS2 and especially the PS3 could have been alot more dev freindly.Yet that didn't stop the PS2 from having some great looking games to play,plus the fact that some of the upcoming PS3 exclusives look mighty impressive.

I just think that Sony,with the PS3's complicated archtechture in mind, needs to do a hell of alot more in providing the tools and support to 3rd party devs especially.Something they seem to have failed miserably in doing so far.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

I don't see whats so outrageous.

Ok he could have worded it a little less arrogantly,but the same thing happened with the PS2 .Certain devs **** about how complicated the PS2 was to programme for early on.But then you had others who worked their butt off to get games like GOW,FF12 and SOTC on to the system later in its lifespan.

You saw a noticeable graphical improvement in PS2 games right throughout its lifespan.The same could not be said for the original XBOX.

sonny2dap

Well thats something developers could do nothing about.The PS2 was technically inferior to the original Xbox. The fact that some games were comparible to the Xbox's library speaks volumes about how ambitious and talented some devepment studios were in exploiting the PS2's potential.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="stvee101"]

But why shouldn't developers see how far they can push the system?

Its all good and well "maxing" the system from the off but ,speaking for myself,I was thrilled to see how great games like SOTC and GOW looked when compared to ealier launch titles.It let me know that there were some really talented and ambitious developers out there who were willing to really push themselves.

Or should we just listen to the great Homer Simpson:"If somethings hard to to,then its not worth doing" ?:P

stvee101

if developers knew the architect better and it was easier to program for im sure they would have an easier time pushing the hardware...

this really has nothing to do with developers imagination or ability to push a system, its just hindering the process

if you think about it, having difficult architecture just wastes developers time... time that could be spent on actually coming up with new ideas for games

I agree that the PS2 and especially the PS3 could have been alot more dev freindly.Yet that didn't stop the PS2 from having some great looking games to play,plus the fact that some of the upcoming PS3 exclusives look mighty impressive.

I just think that Sony,with the PS3's complicated archtechture in mind, needs to do a hell of alot more in providing the tools and support to 3rd party devs especially.Something they seem to have failed miserably in doing so far.

i agree. it looks like their arrogance has bit them in the butt.

This thread just shows how few gamespot users even read the link.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26753181&tag=topics;title

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26752941&tag=topics;title

and this thread all in the front page. They are all taken from the same interview but they are focusing on different thing.

This thread just shows how few gamespot users even read the link.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26753181&tag=topics;title

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26752941&tag=topics;title

and this thread all in the front page. They are all taken from the same interview but they are focusing on different thing.

Krigon

so? same interview, different focus (like you already mentioned)

whats the issue?