Kaz: The biggest misconception is that people think the Xbox 360 is as powerful.

as my girlfriend says, its not what youve got, its what you do with it doobie1975

lol, my girlfriend doesn't need to say that! ;)

as my girlfriend says, its not what youve got, its what you do with it doobie1975

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

This is the most delusional guy in the industry! What a pompous A-hole, and his points haven't even been proven. Now I know where the cows get their delusions of grandeur from LMAO.

Crap

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

Seriously this is pathetic.

You guys are actually amazed the president of Sony is praising his company's flagship product.... "OH noes! Kaz can't say teh Xbox is inferiorz! This is BS, ROFLS! What an arrogant man insulting my games box!"

Who cares if blu-ray costs more, If you are not buying movies on it they are losing money anyway. Its not so much that there would be any graphical advantage with having more disc space but sound wise PS3 games will be leages ahead.

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

He'd have a point, except they don't compress a lot of the data on purpose to make it seem like Blu-ray is needed right now. I mean c'mon 10+ gb's for audio?! When the games themselves are barely more then 3-4 gb's. It's stupid. They purposefully leave the audio uncompressed, wake up people you're being conned into this format, but of course most of you will flame.coolviper2003

10 GB audio files are teh future of gaming. Stop trying to hold back progress MS!

This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

Playstation97

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expense. That's how it looks so far anyway.

[QUOTE="Playstation97"]This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

JimmyT2

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed no doubt but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expensive. That's how it looks so far anyway.

The time is now!! There are games that will come out next year that need more space than what the DVD can offer!! Many companies admited it too!! Like Rockstar.....also the guys who made PGR4 said that they had to cut some content because of the size of the disc! In just 1-2years time DVD will be not enough for any game.....unless it's a cheep movie game!!

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"]This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

Playstation97

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed no doubt but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expensive. That's how it looks so far anyway.

The time is now!! There are games that will come out next year that need more space than what the DVD can offer!! Many companies admited it too!! Like Rockstar.....also the guys who made PGR4 said that they had to cut some content because of the size of the disc! In just 1-2years time DVD will be not enough for any game.....unless it's a cheep movie game!!

Well there were games that could fill up CDs back when the consoles I mentioned were released. It's Sony's job to prove to consumers that the quality of games have been improved because of the format. If they are using it for 10GB audio which would not obviously be better than the audio on 360 or Wii to the average consumer they may have trouble doing this.

[QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"]This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

JimmyT2

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed no doubt but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expensive. That's how it looks so far anyway.

The time is now!! There are games that will come out next year that need more space than what the DVD can offer!! Many companies admited it too!! Like Rockstar.....also the guys who made PGR4 said that they had to cut some content because of the size of the disc! In just 1-2years time DVD will be not enough for any game.....unless it's a cheep movie game!!

Well there were games that could fill up CDs back when the consoles I mentioned were released. It's Sony's job to prove to consumers that the quality of games have been improved because of the format. If they are using it for 10GB audio which would not obviously be better than the audio on 360 or Wii to the average consumer they may have trouble doing this.

Well if I remember right Resistance was 16gigs. That was not possible on a DVD. I don't really know about any other games! You are right that 10gigs of audio does not make any differences because I have HS and I did not notice anythng amazing about it's audio! But games like GTA will not be as big as it could have been because they want to make the same versions for the 360 and the PS3.....and even Rockstar said that DVD is too small now for GTA.....I just hope that the next GTA will be PS3 exclusive so it can be as big as it's meant to be and not limited by the size of the DVD.

Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!

There are already some games comming outin 08 that are not possible on DVD......like MGS4.....a 50gig game....if it where on the 360 it would be on 5 disk's that's just nuts! Also Killzone.....just one level that they showed was 5gigs!! That's more than half of the DVD's size!!

There is no argument when it comes to blu-ray and DVD....you just can't!! You'll look foolish! It's like arguing for the 700MB CD when DVD came out, or arguing for the VHS when DVD came out!! I remember man, just one empty DVD was $25!! Just a single empty DVD!!! I guess most of you forgott that!! A DVD player was like what??? $599 in the begining!! And look what happend???

So just stop with this foolishness!!

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"]This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

Playstation97

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed no doubt but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expensive. That's how it looks so far anyway.

The time is now!! There are games that will come out next year that need more space than what the DVD can offer!! Many companies admited it too!! Like Rockstar.....also the guys who made PGR4 said that they had to cut some content because of the size of the disc! In just 1-2years time DVD will be not enough for any game.....unless it's a cheep movie game!!

Well there were games that could fill up CDs back when the consoles I mentioned were released. It's Sony's job to prove to consumers that the quality of games have been improved because of the format. If they are using it for 10GB audio which would not obviously be better than the audio on 360 or Wii to the average consumer they may have trouble doing this.

Well if I remember right Resistance was 16gigs. That was not possible on a DVD. I don't really know about any other games! You are right that 10gigs of audio does not make any differences because I have HS and I did not notice anythng amazing about it's audio! But games like GTA will not be as big as it could have been because they want to make the same versions for the 360 and the PS3.....and even Rockstar said that DVD is too small now for GTA.....I just hope that the next GTA will be PS3 exclusive so it can be as big as it's meant to be and not limited by the size of the DVD.

Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!

There are already some games comming outin 08 that are not possible on DVD......like MGS4.....a 50gig game....if it where on the 360 it would be on 5 disk's that's just nuts! Also Killzone.....just one level that they showed was 5gigs!! That's more than half of the DVD's size!!

There is no argument when it comes to blu-ray and DVD....you just can't!! You'll look foolish! It's like arguing for the 700MB CD when DVD came out, or arguing for the VHS when DVD came out!! I remember man, just one empty DVD was $25!! Just a single empty DVD!!! I guess most of you forgott that!! A DVD player was like what??? $599 in the begining!! And look what happend???

So just stop with this foolishness!!

Resistance can't be done on the 360? What a load of #$%. There are MUCH nicer looking games, and there are MUCH longer games out there.

Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!Playstation97

It's possible this will be the case but if MS has a 4 year console cycle their next console will be out in 2 years. If Nintendo keeps a 4 year console cycle theirs will be out in 3 years. 1 or 2 years isn't very long to have an advantage in a console war as previous generations have proven. This isn't about whether blue ray is better than DVD, of course it is. It's about whether or not blue ray was the right format for this generation of games. So far the market is even suggesting that HD consoles may have jumped the gun, much less blue ray. With DVD the market was ready and willing, it's certainly not the case with blue ray if you look at the sales figures.

[QUOTE="Playstation97"]Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!JimmyT2

It's possible this will be the case but if MS has a 4 year console cycle their next console will be out in 2 years. If Nintendo keeps a 4 year console cycle theirs will be out in 3 years. 1 or 2 years isn't very long to have an advantage in a console war as previous generations have proven. This isn't about whether blue ray is better than DVD, of course it is. It's about whether or not blue ray was the right format for this generation of games. So far the market is even suggesting that HD consoles may have jumped the gun, much less blue ray. With DVD the market was ready and willing, it's certainly not the case with blue ray if you look at the sales figures.

I can't agree with the power statement, but the BluRay and storage space issue is so true. It's just sad that so many 360 fanboys won't face the fact that 9gb is puny for HD consoles. pimperjones

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

Question: why is Resistance 16 GB? What about the game makes it use up so much space compared to, say, Bioshock or Halo 3? Pre-rendered cinematics?

Of course, It's highly possible that Sony was encouraging Insomniac to use up as much space as possible so that they could advertise to the world, for marketing purposes, that Resistance is not possible on any other hardware platform because of the limitations of DVD and this marketing tactic is still being used today.

Whatever. When Xbox 360 starts losing third-party titles to PS3 where they end up being exclusive, then I'll start believing what Kaz has to say.

SpruceCaboose

Why use compression if you do not have to? Insomniac did not need to compress Resistance, so they didn't. Same reason a lossless audio file is huge compared to a relatively small mp3 file.

Could Resistance fit on a DVD? In its current state, no, but with proper compression, it would easily have fit on a DVD-9.

Wouldn't even need compression for the dvd version, resistance main game without audio is only 6gbs, the attached audio is only 2gbs for whatever language you want it in, just localize throughout the world an your with no one bit of compression on 360.

The majority of the resistance space is taken up by completely uncompressed audio and some rather large video files for such short clips, its all a load of bs.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]I can't agree with the power statement, but the BluRay and storage space issue is so true. It's just sad that so many 360 fanboys won't face the fact that 9gb is puny for HD consoles. DaysAirlines

[QUOTE="Playstation97"]Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!JimmyT2

It's possible this will be the case but if MS has a 4 year console cycle their next console will be out in 2 years. If Nintendo keeps a 4 year console cycle theirs will be out in 3 years. 1 or 2 years isn't very long to have an advantage in a console war as previous generations have proven. This isn't about whether blue ray is better than DVD, of course it is. It's about whether or not blue ray was the right format for this generation of games. So far the market is even suggesting that HD consoles may have jumped the gun, much less blue ray. With DVD the market was ready and willing, it's certainly not the case with blue ray if you look at the sales figures.

If you go back and look at the sales of DVD when it came out you'll notice that it's sales where even as good as blu-rays are now!! You can google it or whatever way you want to search it!! If I remember correctly DVD came out in 1995....or was it 94??? Even in 1999 it wasn't mainstream!! So after 4-5years of it's official launch it became mainstream....but guess what?? It made it and repalced the VHS and 700MB CD's

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]

[QUOTE="Playstation97"]Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!Playstation97

It's possible this will be the case but if MS has a 4 year console cycle their next console will be out in 2 years. If Nintendo keeps a 4 year console cycle theirs will be out in 3 years. 1 or 2 years isn't very long to have an advantage in a console war as previous generations have proven. This isn't about whether blue ray is better than DVD, of course it is. It's about whether or not blue ray was the right format for this generation of games. So far the market is even suggesting that HD consoles may have jumped the gun, much less blue ray. With DVD the market was ready and willing, it's certainly not the case with blue ray if you look at the sales figures.

If you go back and look at the sales of DVD when it came out you'll notice that it's sales where even as good as blu-rays are now!! You can google it or whatever way you want to search it!! If I remember correctly DVD came out in 1995....or was it 94??? Even in 1999 it wasn't mainstream!! So after 4-5years of it's official launch it became mainstream....but guess what?? It made it and repalced the VHS and 700MB CD's

I was talking about DVD based consoles obviously (PS2 in particular). By the time they came out people were ready for DVD. I'm sure if they had have came out in 1995 they would not have been but at least Final Fantasy 7/8/9, Resident Evil 2 ect. would have been single disc games :)

Future proofing for a product with a short life isn't an effective sales technique. We've got enough case studies to show that jumping to far in technology is a great way to go out of business in the videogaming world.

Finally, size matters, but not as much as results. Being "huge" doesn't make up for being a bad lover.

Sony can't sell a product today that's gonna be useful tomorrow without an increase in value. Sony agrees that won't happen. Nintendo proves that the jump, price skim, and wait for the masses to catch up is far from optimizing your return.

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]So? It's true. This has been confirmed by developers and scientists for the past 2 years. I expect the lemming will likely say "But teh superior multiplats". Get over yourselves this has nothing to do with the discussion. SpruceCaboose

So, we are to take the words of developers loyal to Sony and scientists who are looking at the computational skills of the Cell and not the system as a gaming machine as "proof", while at the same time ignoring the real world, visual evidence?

Those would all run on a 360. I have saw nothing from those that could not be done on a 360.

what a load of crap.---OkeyDokey---

how?? you just sound like a jealous lemming to me . . .

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

PR nonsese, yeah ps3 may have the best tech inside but it doesnt prove it even with first party games, compare 360 first party and ps3 first party in terms of graphics 360 wins, and on multi-platform games.

Obviuosly this could easily change but its not a misconception when its not happening ps3 is not pushing the envelope.

And he contridicts his blu-ray point, saying dvd will not hold tommorow's games then saying unless its on multiple discs.

RFOM 16gb uncompressed, 40gb of data can be compressed to fit onto a dvd 9, games like oblivion,gears,mass effect will be allot bigger than 16 gb its just they will be compressed.ID softwares new game will be 80gb and will fit on 1 blu-ray and 2 dvd9's.

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

AntikytheraMech

So? It's true. This has been confirmed by developers and scientists for the past 2 years. I expect the lemming will likely say "But teh superior multiplats". Get over yourselves this has nothing to do with the discussion. Truth-slayer

wrong! it has been confirmed by sony and their second party devs. I really have not heard that many 3rd party devs say so (with the exception of Rein). I did research on cell and it really is a great work of technology, but the fact that it has an asymetrical architecture makes it different from the other processers, not necessarily better.

[QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"]

[QUOTE="Playstation97"]Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!JimmyT2

It's possible this will be the case but if MS has a 4 year console cycle their next console will be out in 2 years. If Nintendo keeps a 4 year console cycle theirs will be out in 3 years. 1 or 2 years isn't very long to have an advantage in a console war as previous generations have proven. This isn't about whether blue ray is better than DVD, of course it is. It's about whether or not blue ray was the right format for this generation of games. So far the market is even suggesting that HD consoles may have jumped the gun, much less blue ray. With DVD the market was ready and willing, it's certainly not the case with blue ray if you look at the sales figures.

If you go back and look at the sales of DVD when it came out you'll notice that it's sales where even as good as blu-rays are now!! You can google it or whatever way you want to search it!! If I remember correctly DVD came out in 1995....or was it 94??? Even in 1999 it wasn't mainstream!! So after 4-5years of it's official launch it became mainstream....but guess what?? It made it and repalced the VHS and 700MB CD's

I was talking about DVD based consoles obviously (PS2 in particular). By the time they came out people were ready for DVD. I'm sure if they had have came out in 1995 they would not have been but at least Final Fantasy 7/8/9, Resident Evil 2 ect. would have been single disc games :)

You are a 100% right about that!! But I still think that in 1-2years time...PS3 will take 2nd place...or maybe first!! I'm just hopeing that people relise how the Wii is a complete gimmick and has dated hardware and lame games!!

[QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

pimperjones

I can turn 1GB into 180mbs...

compression takes around a hour for about 10GBS to be turned into 1055mbs, coarse its only data being compressed, a engine itself unfortunately cannot be compressed (or at least most parts of it), data sure but an engine which executes an uses that data can't.

Unfortunately you resource arguement is floored by the way, it would cost more resources to make those larger games using blu-ray to its capacity then compressing them, metal gears solids 4 budget is believed to have already surpassed lost planets 25 million (although its speculation by analysts since konami hasn't released how much its costs them to make yet).

[QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

pimperjones

Most compression I have seen and done personally has been 85% and It still worked reasonably well. DVD9 has faster read out then Blu Ray so that means DVD9 is allowed compression if they want compensate and be about the same loading speed as Blu Ray. Also the 50gb are not all used like earlier said most PS3 games have 6x the audio that is needed and they use actual movie files and not in engine render. 50gb of Blu Ray can fit on a DVD9 do the math if you want.

Resoruces wasted? Hell x360 games are already coming out before PS3 games and there ports and we use 512mb textures where as PS3 uses 256 for the most part. Why send a Soviet Cold War missle to the moon? Because it was made by the soviets and it can get there and it is cheaper to manufacture.

An Engine cannot be compressed but all the data it uses can.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

Zenkuso

I can turn 1GB into 180mbs...

compression takes around a hour for about 10GBS to be turned into 1055mbs, coarse its only data being compressed, a engine itself unfortunately cannot be compressed (or at least most parts of it), data sure but an engine which executes an uses that data can't.

Unfortunately you resource arguement is floored by the way, it would cost more resources to make those larger games using blu-ray to its capacity then compressing them, metal gears solids 4 budget is believed to have already surpassed lost planets 25 million (although its speculation by analysts since konami hasn't released how much its costs them to make yet).

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

AntikytheraMech

Most compression I have seen and done personally has been 85% and It still worked reasonably well. DVD9 has faster read out then Blu Ray so that means DVD9 is allowed compression if they want compensate and be about the same loading speed as Blu Ray. Also the 50gb are not all used like earlier said most PS3 games have 6x the audio that is needed and they use actual movie files and not in engine render. 50gb of Blu Ray can fit on a DVD9 do the math if you want.

Resoruces wasted? Hell x360 games are already coming out before PS3 games and there ports and we use 512mb textures where as PS3 uses 256 for the most part. Why send a Soviet Cold War missle to the moon? Because it was made by the soviets and it can get there and it is cheaper to manufacture.

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

Anyway, it's a lie of omission. Standard PR spin. If the PS3 is so amazing from a hardware perspective, why is the subjective experience of playing a PS3 game so incredibly similar to playing games on the 360?

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Playstation97"]This is so true!!! And all of you say otherwise are just nuts!! Just think about it guys!! Remember before DVD we had a 700MB disc??? Do you guys remember that??? But DVD was needed to hold the game that we have today otherwise we would have games on 10-15disk's today!!! It's the same with Blu-ray and DVD......blu-ray will take over eventually beause it has more space and games are getting bigger and bigger every year.

You don't have to love SONY to have some logic or reason!!! Come on guys!!! You know as I do that a disk with larger capacity is needed!!! Why would any sane person deny that???

Playstation97

Yeah but much like the Turbografx, 3DO, Amiga 32, Sega CD and other early CD based consoles I think Sony has adopted the format too early. In time more space will be needed no doubt but at this point in time i doubt it will give a big enough advantage over existing formats to be worth the extra expensive. That's how it looks so far anyway.

The time is now!! There are games that will come out next year that need more space than what the DVD can offer!! Many companies admited it too!! Like Rockstar.....also the guys who made PGR4 said that they had to cut some content because of the size of the disc! In just 1-2years time DVD will be not enough for any game.....unless it's a cheep movie game!!

Well there were games that could fill up CDs back when the consoles I mentioned were released. It's Sony's job to prove to consumers that the quality of games have been improved because of the format. If they are using it for 10GB audio which would not obviously be better than the audio on 360 or Wii to the average consumer they may have trouble doing this.

Well if I remember right Resistance was 16gigs. That was not possible on a DVD. I don't really know about any other games! You are right that 10gigs of audio does not make any differences because I have HS and I did not notice anythng amazing about it's audio! But games like GTA will not be as big as it could have been because they want to make the same versions for the 360 and the PS3.....and even Rockstar said that DVD is too small now for GTA.....I just hope that the next GTA will be PS3 exclusive so it can be as big as it's meant to be and not limited by the size of the DVD.

Very soon, in about 1-2 years we will see the differences and than people will notice!! Than they will think back and deny that they said anything bad about blu-ray because they won't wanna look foolish! Just watch...this will happen'!

There are already some games comming outin 08 that are not possible on DVD......like MGS4.....a 50gig game....if it where on the 360 it would be on 5 disk's that's just nuts! Also Killzone.....just one level that they showed was 5gigs!! That's more than half of the DVD's size!!

There is no argument when it comes to blu-ray and DVD....you just can't!! You'll look foolish! It's like arguing for the 700MB CD when DVD came out, or arguing for the VHS when DVD came out!! I remember man, just one empty DVD was $25!! Just a single empty DVD!!! I guess most of you forgott that!! A DVD player was like what??? $599 in the begining!! And look what happend???

So just stop with this foolishness!!

RFOM was 16gb of un-compressed data and audio, compressed it could easily be fitted onto 1 dvd9.

ID softwares new game rage will be around 80gb in size and will have to be compressed to fit on 1 blu-ray disc, it will be compressed to fit on 2 dvd9's.

40 GB of data and audio can be compressed onto dvd9, and anything over that will be on multiple discs its not going to be a problem uness you consider changing disc a problem.

The size of the game's world will be positively huge. Carmack noted during his keynote that the game has about 80GB of uncompressed data, and even compressed it will fill up two full DVDs for the PC, Mac, and Xbox 360 versions, and one Blu-ray disc for the PS3 version.

http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/rage-5c25a7.html

Most of the 360 games now gears/bioshock/halo 3 etc etc etc will be larger than 16gb when uncompressed.

My NASA Spacecraft will get there faster and get you there in one piece, you can keep your cold war missile thanks. pimperjones

NASA :? I would actually put my money on the cold war missile built by the military.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

Zenkuso

I can turn 1GB into 180mbs...

compression takes around a hour for about 10GBS to be turned into 1055mbs, coarse its only data being compressed, a engine itself unfortunately cannot be compressed (or at least most parts of it), data sure but an engine which executes an uses that data can't.

Unfortunately you resource arguement is floored by the way, it would cost more resources to make those larger games using blu-ray to its capacity then compressing them, metal gears solids 4 budget is believed to have already surpassed lost planets 25 million (although its speculation by analysts since konami hasn't released how much its costs them to make yet).

I thinks it's evident that it takes alot more work to even get the games to RUN on the cell, then it takes to compres the space needed for games to fit on dvd. The PS3 has seen a flood of delays and long development times.

HiHD: What are the primary erroneous points of information/misconceptions out there in blogger-land about PS3 in general and vs Xbox?

HIRAI: I have heard many people say our competitors' systems are just as powerful as PS3. That simply is not true. No other next-generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3. I have heard people say that a high-capacity game delivery vehicle like Blu-ray isn't necessary in a next-generation computer entertainment system. You just can't expect that the 9 GBs of storage capacity found on today's DVDs are going to have enough space to hold tomorrow's games. Developers have already pushed the DVD to its limits in terms of space used. We had games like 'Resistance: Fall of Man' coming in 16 GBs at launch. That game simply wouldn't be possible on any other system without using multiple discs. There is no doubt in my mind that you need more capacity on discs for truly next-generation gaming, and Blu-ray gives us that space.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/inside_detail.php?id=11

roadkill88

i think there is something called compressing techniques which i dont think Kaz knows about, and currently 360 has been performing better graphicallyaswell

they allready had to lower the resolution on Hal3 to make it fit.. so yeah.Always-Honest

you think resolutions affect space that much? lol they lowered resolution to have one of the best lighting even seen in video games, i think it was mission7 when you are walking on a bridge and amazing ammount light is being reflected from the bridge right onto ur gun....it was amazing

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

pimperjones

I can turn 1GB into 180mbs...

compression takes around a hour for about 10GBS to be turned into 1055mbs, coarse its only data being compressed, a engine itself unfortunately cannot be compressed (or at least most parts of it), data sure but an engine which executes an uses that data can't.

Unfortunately you resource arguement is floored by the way, it would cost more resources to make those larger games using blu-ray to its capacity then compressing them, metal gears solids 4 budget is believed to have already surpassed lost planets 25 million (although its speculation by analysts since konami hasn't released how much its costs them to make yet).

Why would anyone want multiple languages, do you want to play halo 3 first in english then in frendh then in japanese, no.

I love the blu-ray player in my ps3 for playing movies, but so far ive seen no proof of blu-ray delivering a better gaming expierence over dvd, infact the dvd games have been better.

Im sure once games are using these "mega textures" and "4d textues" blu-ray will be useful. but untill then i see no problems with dvd or blu-ray, its just something fangirls like to talk about.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AntikytheraMech"]

Compression is our friend.

Sony can't compress the blu Ray is too slow as is if it had compression loading would be like Resident Evil Outbreak. 15 Sec loading times everytime you open a door.

AntikytheraMech

Most compression I have seen and done personally has been 85% and It still worked reasonably well. DVD9 has faster read out then Blu Ray so that means DVD9 is allowed compression if they want compensate and be about the same loading speed as Blu Ray. Also the 50gb are not all used like earlier said most PS3 games have 6x the audio that is needed and they use actual movie files and not in engine render. 50gb of Blu Ray can fit on a DVD9 do the math if you want.

Resoruces wasted? Hell x360 games are already coming out before PS3 games and there ports and we use 512mb textures where as PS3 uses 256 for the most part. Why send a Soviet Cold War missle to the moon? Because it was made by the soviets and it can get there and it is cheaper to manufacture.

An Engine cannot be compressed but all the data it uses can.

Good argument, but you stated one thing that was incorrect. Compression only makes the data load quicker from the dvd or blu-ray drive. But it needs more ressources/time through the cpu for decompression.

Thats 1 of the reasons the big games for PS3 also will need compression. The other is of course the amount of ram allocated for the graphics.

they allready had to lower the resolution on Hal3 to make it fit.. so yeah.Always-Honest

Display resolution is a GPU bandwidth issue not a storage space issue, your thinking of texture resolution.