K/D ratio helps to ruin some games

This statement blankets all possible systems, and is a hinderence to well thought out shooters.

For instance, and BF3 game that you play, you can tell the players going for K/D ratio rather than going for an actual win. When the attacking team on BF3 rush loads up half snipes, you can see half the team wanting to relax in relative safety and get some kills. However, what happens, is that team loses hard.

In COD and Halos, or other typical twitch shooters, k/d is what is played for. However, in some games, this just messes up the team balance. (Note...my BF3 k/d is right next to 1, so I'm not the best nor worst player). I am mentioning this to see if people agree. I find team battles SO much more enjoyable when the team is working together as it should. When squads stick together and help each other out, the game is so much more nuanced and less frustrating. The people going for sheer k/d ratio in effect ruin team games such as BF3. I play BF3 with my wife, and it frustrates us both to see people with a high k/d ratio, but very few points. In BF3, when a game is over, the leaderboard is put up. Guess what gets higheston the list? Points! I wish k/d would not even be tracked so players wouldn't have to care and could play the objectives...wins>k/d in my opinion.

Additionally...as a side note...what gives with the HUGE amount of 90+ assists (quite a few 100 assists!) BF3 has? Its ridiculous and frustrating that those don't show as you killing people! I'd like to see some kind of modified "k/d" ratio that takes into account suppresive fire, assists, kills, deaths, and maybe other factors to create a "skill" rating that you could easily see, disect, and understand, keeping people from playing mere k/d ratio and rather having them be rewarded for playing how the game was meant to be played.

LOL WUT? K/D ratio is only thing that matters in online shooters

Everything else is irrelevant

LOL WUT? K/D ratio is only thing that matters in online shooters

Everything else is irrelevant

Zurrur

I agree. I think while playing objective games, K/D shouldn't be recorded into career stats. I don't mind players going for a good K/D in death match, obviously.

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

LOL WUT? K/D ratio is only thing that matters in online shooters

Everything else is irrelevant

Demonjoe93

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

Not really. My favorite role in the Halo games tend to be driving the warthog, a role that doesn't tend to garner many kills. Many times I've started at my base, infiltrated the enemy's base, grabbed their flag, and captured it - without killing a single person. Sometimes killing isn't the best way to carry out an objective. I've found patiently waiting for the enemy to move on and then grab the flag unnoticed works wonders to winning a game.

I would agree it's not so black and white though. If you're dropping a lot of bodies without going for the flag, you can still be a crucial element to the team. It's about striking a good balance. Like the TC said, many times I've seen players in BF3 sit back and snipe. They end the game with around 5 kills and maybe 1 death. They essentially did ****

This statement blankets all possible systems, and is a hinderence to well thought out shooters.

For instance, and BF3 game that you play, you can tell the players going for K/D ratio rather than going for an actual win. When the attacking team on BF3 rush loads up half snipes, you can see half the team wanting to relax in relative safety and get some kills. However, what happens, is that team loses hard.

In COD and Halos, or other typical twitch shooters, k/d is what is played for. However, in some games, this just messes up the team balance. (Note...my BF3 k/d is right next to 1, so I'm not the best nor worst player). I am mentioning this to see if people agree. I find team battles SO much more enjoyable when the team is working together as it should. When squads stick together and help each other out, the game is so much more nuanced and less frustrating. The people going for sheer k/d ratio in effect ruin team games such as BF3. I play BF3 with my wife, and it frustrates us both to see people with a high k/d ratio, but very few points. In BF3, when a game is over, the leaderboard is put up. Guess what gets higheston the list? Points! I wish k/d would not even be tracked so players wouldn't have to care and could play the objectives...wins>k/d in my opinion.

Additionally...as a side note...what gives with the HUGE amount of 90+ assists (quite a few 100 assists!) BF3 has? Its ridiculous and frustrating that those don't show as you killing people! I'd like to see some kind of modified "k/d" ratio that takes into account suppresive fire, assists, kills, deaths, and maybe other factors to create a "skill" rating that you could easily see, disect, and understand, keeping people from playing mere k/d ratio and rather having them be rewarded for playing how the game was meant to be played.

demi0227_basic

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

Of course you would say that since COD is the only FPS game you play. In FPS games that aren't catered towards children, winning is most important. Back when I used to play CoD with my friends we would finish rounds of domination where the score was 200-50 and people on the other team that went 10-3 would brag afterwards that they got a 3.0

This was the same problem with Battlefield 2. Actually I have seen some people here(including a hermit "expert mod") saying that BF2 sucked because of the unbalanced K/D ratio. :|

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

tagyhag

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

tagyhag

Just because you have a high K/D dosent mean you lose the game, not even close to being true.. the higher your K/D is the more experienced and skilled you are so you would rarely lose a game objective.

i say this because i know :cool:

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

Jray0705

[QUOTE="Jray0705"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

demi0227_basic

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

Jray0705

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

[QUOTE="Jray0705"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

Master_ShakeXXX

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Jray0705"] No a good K/D ratio means your better at killing than being killed. Most FPS are geared towards thisJray0705

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

I hear it's a big problem on Objective modes in CoD. You could end up losing but people still think they won due to their K/D. I hope those people are only on console shooters. :(tagyhag

I hate players like that so much. There are times where it seems like I'm the only one who is capturing and defending flags in Domination. Although, it is funny when I end a match with 9-20 K/D but still win because I kept capturing flags while the opposing team was busy padding their K/D Ratio.

But yeah, its really bad in modes like Domination. Because there is no score limit through kills, and there is no way to end the match besides reaching the score limit through controling flags(or the host quitting early), many people get on those modes simply to kill people with no regard to the objective. They play it like a Team Deathmatch without a time limit or a score limit from kills.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

Just because you have a high K/D dosent mean you lose the game, not even close to being true.. the higher your K/D is the more experienced and skilled you are so you would rarely lose a game objective.

i say this because i know :cool:

No, I've played several matches of domination where my team won because we captured flags and the other team was so focused on padding their K/D ratio, they did not bother going for any flags.

I remember finishing one match in Black Ops with a K/D ration of 9-20 but finished the match with a score around 2000 because I kept capturing flags. Most of the opposing team was focused on Kills, so they never bothered to defend the flags and the other players on their team could not defend all of the flags.

On the flipside, I've lost domination matches despite having several teammates with high K/D ratios. The problem is that while I and maybe one other person were trying to capture flags and defend them, the other teammates were busy racking up kills and ignored the flags that were being captured and held.

poor lemmings, all this talk of games must have their mouths waterryPinnacleGamingP

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]poor lemmings, all this talk of games must have their mouths waterryJray0705

poor lemmings, all this talk of games must have their mouths waterryPinnacleGamingP

You mean Battlefield, Call of Duty, Team Fortress 2, and Halo? All games which the X360 has?

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Jray0705"] No a good K/D ratio means your better at killing than being killed. Most FPS are geared towards thisJray0705

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]poor lemmings, all this talk of games must have their mouths waterryRoss_the_Boss6

You mean Battlefield, Call of Duty, Team Fortress 2, and Halo? All games which the X360 has?

I hear it's a big problem on Objective modes in CoD. You could end up losing but people still think they won due to their K/D. I hope those people are only on console shooters. :(tagyhag

Another reason why TF2 is great.

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Jray0705"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

A good K/D doesn't mean jack unless you have a good W/L to back it up. If you have both, then you have my respect (unless you're one of those douche bags who go around bragging about it).

Master_ShakeXXX

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I hear it's a big problem on Objective modes in CoD. You could end up losing but people still think they won due to their K/D. I hope those people are only on console shooters. :(DragonfireXZ95

I only camp in Domination if I'm guarding a flag for my team. If its a close match, and my team is doing a good job of capturing flags then I'll stay behind and guard one of our flags to ensure it does not fall into enemy hands.

Now, camping in areas that aren't close to any of the flags is a problem. The only time anyone should camp in Domination(or other modes like it) is when they are defending an objective.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

It matters big time in most shooters nowadays, only those that suck say K/D dosent matter just sayin :P

finalstar2007

Just because you have a high K/D dosent mean you lose the game, not even close to being true.. the higher your K/D is the more experienced and skilled you are so you would rarely lose a game objective.

i say this because i know :cool:

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Jray0705"] No a good K/D ratio means your better at killing than being killed. Most FPS are geared towards thisyellosnolvr

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

In BF3 you just have to look at their win/loss ratio, their KD ratio, and how many kills with sniper rifles they have.

I have had some matches where I was in a good squad that capped/defended flags and we were all assault/support classes so we could always get revived if we died

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Jray0705"] No a good K/D ratio means your better at killing than being killed. Most FPS are geared towards thisyellosnolvr

Again, doesn't mean jack if you can't win rounds.

Not to dismiss you, but I rarely see teams like that in COD. Most of the time, when I run into players with high K/D ratios in Domination they seem to be unconcerned with taking flags.

Now, I did run into a player who got a MOAB in Domination and helped his team win. But that's very rare, at least in the games I play.