Kev_Unreal: Pro Gamers Hot List 2007

even so.....its not going to be competitive level.

lespaul1919

And you know this...how? 

I've never heard of any proffesional gaming circuit supporting SSBM.Vandalvideo

evo2k7.

I've never heard of any proffesional gaming circuit supporting SSBM.Vandalvideo

Evo 2k7 and MLG (Even though they recently dropped Smash to support Gears.) 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I've never heard of any proffesional gaming circuit supporting SSBM.Redmoonxl2

Evo 2k7 and MLG (Even though they recently dropped Smash to support Gears.)

actually, its halo 2, SSBM, and rainbow six vegas on the 2007 MLG circuit.

SSB just gets overshadowed by halo on MLG. 

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

even so.....its not going to be competitive level.

Redmoonxl2

And you know this...how?

good competitve games involve skill and teammwork.  a steath type of game will never really rely on too much skill.   

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

even so.....its not going to be competitive level.

lespaul1919

And you know this...how?

good competitve games involve skill and teammwork.  a steath type of game will never really rely on too much skill.   

teamwork doesn't have to be include.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

even so.....its not going to be competitive level.

Kev_Unreal

And you know this...how?

good competitve games involve skill and teammwork. a steath type of game will never really rely on too much skill.

teamwork doesn't have to be include.

*included

 yeah, in games that are only FFA.  but most offer team based ladders, especially the big money ones.  in halo all FFA does is establish seed.

actually, its halo 2, SSBM, and rainbow six vegas on the 2007 MLG circuit.

 

SSB just gets overshadowed by halo on MLG.

lespaul1919

Actually, MLG gets tons of support from the Smash community and is not overshadowed by any games. However, MLG is taking their company in a different approach, thus removing Smash from their pro circuit. Anything Smash related will be handled by MLG in the future but it wouldn't be in the Pro Circuit like Halo is.

http://www.mlgpro.com/?q=node/106084 

"MLG has big plans for Smash in 2007. Over the last three years, Major League Gaming has helped the Smash community develop high standards of quality for major tournaments and pushed the game to new levels of competitive play. MLG will continue that tradition in 2007 with a new approach to competitive Smash that will take place outside of the Pro Circuit. Stay tuned in the coming weeks for details. "

good competitve games involve skill and teammwork. a steath type of game will never really rely on too much skill.

lespaul1919

Only that MGS' multiplayer is more like Counterstrike than MGS. You'd now this if you have actually played the multiplayer from MGS3...

Here's an example. MGS3 Multiplayer 

By the way, your definition of competitive games is way off. You completely block out fighters, RTS and some FPS games from your so called definition.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]actually, its halo 2, SSBM, and rainbow six vegas on the 2007 MLG circuit.

SSB just gets overshadowed by halo on MLG.

Redmoonxl2

Actually, MLG gets tons of support from the Smash community and is not overshadowed by any games. However, MLG is taking their company in a different approach, thus removing Smash from their pro circuit. Anything Smash related will be handled by MLG in the future but it wouldn't be in the Pro Circuit like Halo is.

http://www.mlgpro.com/?q=node/106084

"MLG has big plans for Smash in 2007. Over the last three years, Major League Gaming has helped the Smash community develop high standards of quality for major tournaments and pushed the game to new levels of competitive play. MLG will continue that tradition in 2007 with a new approach to competitive Smash that will take place outside of the Pro Circuit. Stay tuned in the coming weeks for details. "

good competitve games involve skill and teammwork. a steath type of game will never really rely on too much skill.

lespaul1919

Only that MGS' multiplayer is more like Counterstrike than MGS. You'd now this if you have actually played the multiplayer from MGS3...

Here's an example. MGS3 Multiplayer

By the way, your definition of competitive games is way off. You completely block out fighters, RTS and some FPS games from your so called definition.

All of those people who can't believe that SSBM is an ultra competitive game should just watch this:

http://www.mlgpro.com/?q=node/45266

MGS will never be competitive or a title to become pro at. Especially judging by that video._en1gma_

However, this is from MGS3. How MGS4 is outfitted as a multiplayer game is anybody guess, thus cannot be judged just yet. Besides, MGS3 was played competitively.

His definition is right. Competitive games require skill and teamwork. Especially ones that become popularly competitive are ones with teamwork. And the ones with out teams need to have skill as a requirement. So there is nothing wrong with his definition_en1gma_

I never said he was wrong, I said it was off. The fact is that competitive games don't need to always require teamwork. To say it does completely blocks out games that are popular in the competitive field.  

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]MGS will never be competitive or a title to become pro at. Especially judging by that video.Redmoonxl2

However, this is from MGS3. How MGS4 is outfitted as a multiplayer game is anybody guess, thus cannot be judged just yet. Besides, MGS3 was played competitively.

His definition is right. Competitive games require skill and teamwork. Especially ones that become popularly competitive are ones with teamwork. And the ones with out teams need to have skill as a requirement. So there is nothing wrong with his definition_en1gma_

I never said he was wrong, I said it was off. The fact is that competitive games don't need to always require teamwork. To say it does completely blocks out games that are popular in the competitive field.

1) that MGS3 multiplayer made my laugh

2) SSBM wasn't overshadowed? then why was only teh halo part on TV? hahahahahahah 

1) that MGS3 multiplayer made my laugh

2) SSBM wasn't overshadowed? then why was only teh halo part on TV? hahahahahahah 

lespaul1919

Please stop Trolling in this thread, thx.

1) that MGS3 multiplayer made my laugh

2) SSBM wasn't overshadowed? then why was only teh halo part on TV? hahahahahahah

lespaul1919

1) Your opinion. The video was to prove that the multiplayer for MGS is not "stealth based" and "lacking teamwork" like you've put it.

2) Halo is simply more popular than SSBM. Still doesn't change the fact that Smash is one of the largest competitive fighting games out there. 

ok...well, when MLG never picks it up dont say i never told you so.  FPS's will always dominate competitive gaming.  like it or not.

ok...well, when MLG never picks it up dont say i never told you so. FPS's will always dominate competitive gaming. like it or not.

lespaul1919

You're trolling too much.

By the way, the RTS genre is larger as a competitive genre than FPS games. Ask Starcraft. 

trolling? huh? im posting with respect to the topic. 

RTS? haha, ask CS. ask quake 3.   

RTS is soooo boring to watch, it will never make it onto TV. 

trolling? huh? im posting with respect to the topic.

RTS? haha, ask CS. ask quake 3.

 

RTS is soooo boring to watch, it will never make it onto TV.

lespaul1919

trolling? huh? im posting with respect to the topic.

RTS? haha, ask CS. ask quake 3.

 

RTS is soooo boring to watch, it will never make it onto TV.

lespaul1919

It has nothing to do with "watch" and has plenty to do with support.

By the way, only Starcraft have full shows, events and stadiums devoted to showing off the game. 

Don't believe me? Enjoy. 

why are you saying i am trolling? you have no idea what you are talking about.

guh, RTS........GUH. 

when i say TV...i mean national TV.  USA, ABC, NBC, etc, etc.   

why are you saying i am trolling? you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

guh, RTS........GUH.

 

when i say TV...i mean national TV. USA, ABC, NBC, etc, etc.

lespaul1919

By diminishing other games as viable competitive options, you are trolling. Seems like the only reasoning you bring to the table is ease of watch and TV. The fact is that getting Halo to show on USA has nothing to do with what is the most popular genre. The fact is that as a whole, RTS games are simply more popular as a competitive genre and is deeper as a genre as well.

It also doesn't change the fact that Starcraft (A RTS) is probably the most televised and publically popular competitive game in the world. Any other competitive game normally takes place in venues such as a gaming center or a large rented out hotel room. Starcraft competitions normally take place live on TV shows and in stadiums with people actually coming to watch. Name me a game that can compete with that kind of exposure, especially 9 years after it's release.

pokemon diamond/pearlSTABW0UND

I not sure about pokemon, sorry.

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"]pokemon diamond/pearlKev_Unreal

I not sure about pokemon, sorry.

You're missing so many on that list. Crysis, Bioshock, HL2EP2, Portal, RE5, Metroid Prime 3, etc..

Unless by "wanted by Pro gamers" you mean competitive games, which would might make more sense. 

You're missing so many on that list. Crysis, Bioshock, HL2EP2, Portal, RE5, Metroid Prime 3, etc..

Unless by "wanted by Pro gamers" you mean competitive games, which would might make more sense. 

16bitkevin

Unless by "wanted by Pro gamers" you mean competitive games, which would might make more sense.

16bitkevin

I think that what he meant considering not even one single player game is on the list.