The only reason Halo 3 is still played so much is because there is no new Halo. There are alot of people who are all about Halo and only Halo.Deathtransit
Halo is a phenomenon concerning popularity. The fun factor, accessibility, and marketing all contribute to that though. The only franchise to match it on consoles is COD. And it's player counts are divided between two games lol.
so killzone 2 is better than halo 3 because it scored less, sold less, is played less online, has less mp options, worse gameplay, etc., but has better graphics?mtradr43
i really think the people who just say the game sucks just for the controls, really suck at playing this game lol and you guys really cant say the halo storyline was GOOD lol
That is, be a graphical showcase of the systems capabilities. Halo the first was fun, yes, but what really set it apart was how amazing it looked, it was THE showcase for the original Xbox. Halo 3 did not deliver. And, since this is SWs, here's some more flamebait. Halo 3 isn't even worthy of the Halo moniker since it clearly was made for the sole purpose of cashing in and didn't deliver on the original's purpose...to evolve console technology and push the boundaries of what had been done. Now it's more like "Combat devolved". Deathtransit
Halo was scrapped together in a year's time, it was just ... ya'know, lucky that it looked alright for when it came out. Hell, even Bungie themselves were surprised when it became a hit. But that's not the point, the fact remains that Halo has never strived to be the best looking game out there on consoles. Of course, that could change in regards to Halo Reach...
Would you agree that the Halo series has always been more about multiplayer action than graphics though? The first Halo isn't remembered for being a graphical juggernaut, its remembered because of crazy fun LAN parties (among other things)
Kickinurass
The original Halo was about the campaign and the MP, the last two were mainly MP. And it set a new bar for console graphics, there's no doubt in my mind that it would have been as popular if it looked like a PS2 game or had dumbed down graphics. It had the combination of stellar gameplay and graphics, it had it all.
[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]The only reason Halo 3 is still played so much is because there is no new Halo. There are alot of people who are all about Halo and only Halo.Episode_Eve
Halo is a phenomenon concerning popularity. The fun factor, accessibility, and marketing all contribute to that though. The only franchise to match it on consoles is COD. And it's player counts are divided between two games lol. I'd say Halo is a bigger phenom than COD, look at all the people who lined up for Halo 3 when it came out. I think both games have alot of fans who care only about those games though. Most the KZ2 haters want it to play like COD4 or just don't like FPS in general.
I made a long post about things I did not like about KZ2 but deleted it. Really who cares about comparing KZ2 to Halo 3 now? Fact is America was where KZ2 sold the best and just a couple months later it can not even make the top 20. KZ2 after 4+ years of hype could not even sell 2 million games. Face it. Halo wins by scores and sales
I made a long post about things I did not like about KZ2 but deleted it. Really who cares about comparing KZ2 to Halo 3 now? Fact is America was where KZ2 sold the best and just a couple months later it can not even make the top 20. KZ2 after 4+ years of hype could not even sell 2 million games. Face it. Halo wins by scores and salesrybe1025
I made a long post about things I did not like about KZ2 but deleted it. Really who cares about comparing KZ2 to Halo 3 now? Fact is America was where KZ2 sold the best and just a couple months later it can not even make the top 20. KZ2 after 4+ years of hype could not even sell 2 million games. Face it. Halo wins by scores and salesrybe1025
of course, that doesnt mean that kz2 is a bad game, it just isnt good enough in comparison to halo or cod, regardless of how you look at it. the fact that they offer so much more than kz2 does is one thing, but there is also previous popularity behind it. that being said, the sales for kz2 are indeed pitiful. if i were given a choice of the three games to play, i would have to choose halo or cod over kz2 almost exclusively based on the quality and the options available to me to play with.
[QUOTE="rybe1025"]I made a long post about things I did not like about KZ2 but deleted it. Really who cares about comparing KZ2 to Halo 3 now? Fact is America was where KZ2 sold the best and just a couple months later it can not even make the top 20. KZ2 after 4+ years of hype could not even sell 2 million games. Face it. Halo wins by scores and salesDeathtransit
I guess the Wii really is the best console.It does mean the most amount of people would rather have a Wii and 2nd most would want a 360 and the least amount of people want a PS3.
And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.
[QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]I made a long post about things I did not like about KZ2 but deleted it. Really who cares about comparing KZ2 to Halo 3 now? Fact is America was where KZ2 sold the best and just a couple months later it can not even make the top 20. KZ2 after 4+ years of hype could not even sell 2 million games. Face it. Halo wins by scores and salesrybe1025
I guess the Wii really is the best console.It does mean the most amount of people would rather have a Wii and 2nd most would want a 360 and the least amount of people want a PS3. And that's all it means. It does not mean one is better than the other. I won't believe the Wii is better than the 360 or PS3 no matter what you say.
And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.Deathtransit
You can not blame the economy. PLENTY of games recently have sold more then KZ2. Also as far as competition KZ2 came out in Feb it is not like it released in Nov or Dec. It was not like there was a flood of big name games in Jan and Feb. Heck Gears was released in Nov and sold around 5 million already. Same economy and was released with lots of competition.
And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.Deathtransit
You're making too many excuses to justify your points.
[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.Kickinurass
You're making too many excuses to justify your points.
You're right I'll just leave it at the point that numbers and popularity have nothin to do with quality and does not make it "better". The Wii is not the best console, it just appeals to a larger crowd. Better?
That is, be a graphical showcase of the systems capabilities. Halo the first was fun, yes, but what really set it apart was how amazing it looked, it was THE showcase for the original Xbox. Halo 3 did not deliver. And, since this is SWs, here's some more flamebait. Halo 3 isn't even worthy of the Halo moniker since it clearly was made for the sole purpose of cashing in and didn't deliver on the original's purpose...to evolve console technology and push the boundaries of what had been done. Now it's more like "Combat devolved". Deathtransit
Right it should have been a graphics showcase with broken gameplay... oh wait
[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.Deathtransit
You're making too many excuses to justify your points.
You're right I'll just leave it at the point that numbers and popularity have nothin to do with quality and does not make it "better". The Wii is not the best console, it just appeals to a larger crowd. Better?
You're making too many excuses to justify your points.
You're right I'll just leave it at the point that numbers and popularity have nothin to do with quality and does not make it "better". The Wii is not the best console, it just appeals to a larger crowd. Better?
I can agree with you on that. :)
Yeah, in other words it appeals to more "casuals" who JUST WANNA PLAY HALO! Haha, I kid, I kid. (?)
KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST?
KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL.
I disagree strongly. It showed off the Xbox's capabilities, nothing on PS2 looked as good. Right off the bat we knew XBox was going to have better graphics.
KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. haha, that's awesome lol.
KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. Hopefully REACH will have a strong campaign to go along with the updated graphics. REACH sounds promising.
KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. That's funny. True? It kinda sounds like Bungie are just riding the wave with Halo.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. haha, that's awesome lol. Yep, I noticed it in the screens and videos that ODST looks better than Halo 3, though it's not a huge improvement. I hope it's HD this time like 720p, Halo 3 was only 640p, weak.
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST?Deathtransit
Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. That's funny. True? It kinda sounds like Bungie are just riding the wave with Halo. Yeah, I would like to see more new i.ps from them. I like Halo, but enough is enough.
I disagree and have explained why in other posts. Halo 1 set a bar for console graphics. Gameplay is more important but Graphics are nice too. KZ2 has both. Halo 1 had both.
So the large streamed enviornments, tons of enemies and physics-enabled objects, and realistic light and shadows didn't matter?
Mordred19
Honestly that sounds a hell of a lot more impressive in words than it actually appears in game. Reality is there isnt exactly 'tons of enemies', the enviroments - level mind you - are hardly large - let alone bigger than those in Halo ce, and the 'physics objects' consist of.... a few elaborate crates. The lighting system is damn impressive though. Reality is the game doesnt look that good, and the singleplayer visuals are inconsistant. Multiplayer however, the visuals are much more consistant.
[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]And face it, alot of Halo's success and KZ2's "lack of" has a LOT to do with timing and competition. Halo is a completely different beast psychologically than KZ, which was born of Halo the first. You don't think massive competition and a bad economy might be chipping into KZ2 and PS3 sales in general. Timing has alot to do with things.Deathtransit
You're making too many excuses to justify your points.
You're right I'll just leave it at the point that numbers and popularity have nothin to do with quality and does not make it "better". The Wii is not the best console, it just appeals to a larger crowd. Better?
So just because it's not the best looking game... it's worth crap?
halo 3 features the same basic run and gun fps gameplay from 2001's halo combat evolved. Yet the game didnt evolve much at all. basic sure, but Halo CE and Halo 3s gameplay are so vastly different from all the changes and tweaks that has been made. Sure it is a more refined Halo 2, but the changes are definantly there in multiplayer. MP wise both games do well, SP wise both games are average on there best days. Gameplay wise the neither games provides anything new to the genre or stuff we haven't seen before. Killzone 2 feels like a more heavy(in terms of how the guns feel) Call of Duty, and Halo feels like well Halo with some refinement.
Killzone 2's gameplay is so much more immersive than Halo's 3....so I'm going to disagree with ya it is? oh you mean the immersiveness of a useless cover system that really wouldn't exist in real life and would work much better in real life, or the immersiveness of taking near 2 seconds to reload a weapon.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] KZ2 has both. I don't understand why they didn't just start new engine from scratch for H3, they made enough money on the past two versions to do so. Oh well, I think they are for Reach or ODST? Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL. haha, that's awesome lol. um actually no, ODST uses an updated halo 3 engine which is an updated halo 2 engine, and Reach is reported to use a completely new engine built from teh ground up for the 360.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL.WilliamRLBaker
haha, that's awesome lol. um actually no, ODST uses an updated halo 3 engine which is an updated halo 2 engine, and Reach is reported to use a completely new engine built from teh ground up for the 360. thats exactly what he said :?
Killzone 2's gameplay is so much more immersive than Halo's 3....so I'm going to disagree with ya it is? oh you mean the immersiveness of a useless cover system that really wouldn't exist in real life and would work much better in real life, or the immersiveness of taking near 2 seconds to reload a weapon. Dude, you've got to be joking. Cover system is useless? You haven't played KZ2?
Also, the reloading system is pretty realistic, maybe a little fast even. You think Gears reloading system is better because you can do it really fast and get a boost in power? lol
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL.WilliamRLBaker
haha, that's awesome lol. um actually no, ODST uses an updated halo 3 engine which is an updated halo 2 engine, and Reach is reported to use a completely new engine built from teh ground up for the 360. That's what I just said.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Killzone 2's gameplay is so much more immersive than Halo's 3....so I'm going to disagree with yaChutebox
it is? oh you mean the immersiveness of a useless cover system that really wouldn't exist in real life and would work much better in real life, or the immersiveness of taking near 2 seconds to reload a weapon. Dude, you've got to be joking. Cover system is useless? You haven't played KZ2? you really don't need it much in the 1st half of the game to be quite honest, on the 2nd half(atleast on veteran) you will need it, but even than i felt it always got in the way, felt like you couldn't shoot as fast. In my short and completely noobish run in the multiplayer(ive only done 7 matches of it so far :P) i never used it, but i guess thats why i wasn't beasting it early.
halo 3 didnt suck ass....but yes killzone 2 was better....yet halo 2 beats them both in my opinion...and halo 1 was awesome...its wat made xbox the xbox...without it it would be crap...gears of war i believe is better than Halo 3 also and possibly even with KZ2...so yes Halo 3 was a downgrade, yet with that type of fan base it doesnt really matter....
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Reach, ODST uses an updated Halo 3 engine, which is an updated Halo 2 engine, LOL.WilliamRLBaker
haha, that's awesome lol. um actually no, ODST uses an updated halo 3 engine which is an updated halo 2 engine, and Reach is reported to use a completely new engine built from teh ground up for the 360. That's exactly what he said.
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