Killzone 2 has already made a profit... so how can it have flopped?

There seems to be this "logic" going around that Killzone 2 flopped because "it cost too much to make". The figure that gets thrown around, whether true or not, is that the game cost $60 Million. Fanboy Lems then try and claim the game only sold 700,000 or so units (ignoring the fact that this was in two days).

However, if wikipedia is to be believed, there were 1.1 million pre-orders. So... basically, since the game retails at $60, and even if the only people that got the game were those that pre-ordered, the devs have already broken even (60 x 1.1 million = $66 Million).

Obviously, many many many more will buy this game in addition to those that pre-ordered, so already at this early stage is seems very clear that the devs have made a huge profit.. and that is before they license the engine to other devs...

There will obviously be a third game, based on the same engine, which will cost much less to make but will prob turn even higher profits. Lets not forget, Gears 1/2 was built upon an existing engine.. that is why they churn the games out so fast...

So how can people claim Killzone 2 flopped financially?

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

not all of the $60 per game goes to the dev.

Your logic is very flawed. The game developers aren't getting anything close to $66 for each game sold... lol, $6 of that goes to the government...-GeordiLaForge-

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

-Oath

Dude, don't take bait. If people want to bash KZ on two days of American sales let em.

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Your logic is very flawed. The game developers aren't getting anything close to $66 for each game sold... lol, $6 of that goes to the government...thetruespin

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

-Oath

it never flopped, only in fanboys minds who think sales mean everything...

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

thetruespin

Where in my post did I dis the game?

Looks like someone made an "uh oh".

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

-Oath

So over a million in retail pre orders and 300 000 + first days sales is suspose to recover a 60 million dollar budget? Killzone 2 hasn't broken half a million in UK yet apparently so I don't know what you are talking about. Further more, these are just haters, ignore them, they don't know any better. Don't sink tothat level especially with incorrect data. I thought system wars didn't care about sales anyway? (I will say this in every sales related thread from now on to make a point)

it astounds me how desprate most 360 owners are to diss this game....

see what i did there?

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Your logic is very flawed. The game developers aren't getting anything close to $66 for each game sold... lol, $6 of that goes to the government...thetruespin

It astounds me how desprate most PS3 owners are to defend his game.....

-Oath

:lol: But YOU guys are making all the threads. PS3 FANBOYS are the ones making the threads. What do you expect, other fanboys to walk in and go "oh wikipedia? great source! Haha please forgive us, you're right." Not a chance in hell. Stop making these silly threads and you'll stop seeing it get bashed. :lol: Good grief out of the 4 types of fanboy, you guys are the worst.

Where is the press release from Sony saying it sold 1 million copies? Considering the fact that Microsoft already said Halo Wars sold 1 million copies about 3 weeks after launch I would have expected one from Sony and earlier in the month to boot.I think that is more telling than anything.

Only a fraction of the retail price goes to the developers. KZ2 is far from turning a profit right now. You're looking at 4+ million needed for that.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="thetruespin"] it astounds me how desprate most 360 owners are to diss this game.... see what i did there?thetruespin

This could've stayed in the other thread.

lemmings get over it lol I still see the desperation on your words Killzone 2 got AAAE while you guys were expecting it to get AA or less it got 750,000 in just two days which is good we don't know any further but that it surpassed 1 mil. if you wanna call a game a flop that's halo wars it was expected to be the killzone 2 killer and it got killzonwed in both score and sales. lol 6.5 and it does not have as many sales as Killzone 2 halo wars lemmings were saying would outsell Killzone 2 because it's HALO :D halo wars = flop of the century it's not our fault your game ended up being garbage while killzone 2 is a sucess. host0211

You sir must be bewildered what we in the real world call logic...no expected Halo Wars to kill Killzone...lmao!...it will inlifetime sales, no doubt, and 4 years from now it wont have an online community anywhere near any Halo game. Killzone as a franchise is mediocre. Halo Wars is the only title in the franchise to ever receive anything than AAA by majority of critics.

killzone2 remember halo killer? LOLbigmacattackjac

halo 3 is obviously the better game gamespot's halo 3 video review is 11 minutes long, killzone2's is only 8 minutes, obviously halo 3 had more more content to talk about probley reason it scored higher.bigmacattackjac

SIG WORTHY! :lol:

So reviews = Facts now?! :lol::lol:

But YOU guys are making all the threads.

Good grief out of the 4 types of fanboy, you guys are the worst.

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

[QUOTE="host0211"]lemmings get over it lol I still see the desperation on your words Killzone 2 got AAAE while you guys were expecting it to get AA or less it got 750,000 in just two days which is good we don't know any further but that it surpassed 1 mil. if you wanna call a game a flop that's halo wars it was expected to be the killzone 2 killer and it got killzonwed in both score and sales. lol 6.5 and it does not have as many sales as Killzone 2 halo wars lemmings were saying would outsell Killzone 2 because it's HALO :D halo wars = flop of the century it's not our fault your game ended up being garbage while killzone 2 is a sucess. Cybiotik

You sir must be bewildered what we in the real world call logic...no expected Halo Wars to kill Killzone...lmao!...it will inlifetime sales, no doubt, and 4 years from now it wont have an online community anywhere near any Halo game. Killzone as a franchise is mediocre. Halo Wars is the only title in the franchise to ever receive anything than AAA by majority of critics.

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Cybiotik"]

[QUOTE="host0211"]lemmings get over it lol I still see the desperation on your words Killzone 2 got AAAE while you guys were expecting it to get AA or less it got 750,000 in just two days which is good we don't know any further but that it surpassed 1 mil. if you wanna call a game a flop that's halo wars it was expected to be the killzone 2 killer and it got killzonwed in both score and sales. lol 6.5 and it does not have as many sales as Killzone 2 halo wars lemmings were saying would outsell Killzone 2 because it's HALO :D halo wars = flop of the century it's not our fault your game ended up being garbage while killzone 2 is a sucess. host0211

You sir must be bewildered what we in the real world call logic...no expected Halo Wars to kill Killzone...lmao!...it will inlifetime sales, no doubt, and 4 years from now it wont have an online community anywhere near any Halo game. Killzone as a franchise is mediocre. Halo Wars is the only title in the franchise to ever receive anything than AAA by majority of critics.

Scared by the fact that a spin of of a franchise sold faster than you prefcious Killzone...LMAO...

halo 3 is obviously the better game gamespot's halo 3 video review is 11 minutes long, killzone2's is only 8 minutes, obviously halo 3 had more more content to talk about probley reason it scored higher.bigmacattackjac

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

Nike_Air

Still a stupidly big budget. Also, Sony is probably closer to 15 dollars per unit. Then there is marketing and promotion. The game is not a failure, its just stupidly designed from a business stand point.

[QUOTE="host0211"][QUOTE="Cybiotik"]

You sir must be bewildered what we in the real world call logic...no expected Halo Wars to kill Killzone...lmao!...it will inlifetime sales, no doubt, and 4 years from now it wont have an online community anywhere near any Halo game. Killzone as a franchise is mediocre. Halo Wars is the only title in the franchise to ever receive anything than AAA by majority of critics.

Cybiotik

Scared by the fact that a spin of of a franchise sold faster than you prefcious Killzone...LMAO...

[QUOTE="Cybiotik"]

[QUOTE="host0211"] Is this another prediction that halo wars will outsell Killzone 2 ? cause killzone 2 last I heard was still out there with Resident Evil 5 while halo wars dropped down soon to be forgotten and good riddance host0211

Scared by the fact that a spin of of a franchise sold faster than you prefcious Killzone...LMAO...

Nope...people treat Halo Wars like a real Halo...nope sorry. Its a spin off. If you were to compare a Halo...why not Halo 3...oh thats right, cause it tears Killzone to shreads. Also Killzone is not a new IP...this is their THIRD GAME! The second was a spinnoff...and dont let me bring you THOSE sales...lmao silly cows.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

SpruceCaboose

Really, ANOTHER KZ2 thread, I think we need the sticky back. This is the second one in like 2 hours.

halo 3 is obviously the better game gamespot's halo 3 video review is 11 minutes long, killzone2's is only 8 minutes, obviously halo 3 had more more content to talk about probley reason it scored higher.bigmacattackjac

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

ActicEdge

Still a stupidly big budget. Also, Sony is probably closer to 15 dollars per unit. Then there is marketing and promotion. The game is not a failure, its just stupidly designed from a business stand point.

It ISN'T STUPID AT ALL ..... I feel it is Sony's obligation to push the platform and give gamers amazing content and lead the way. It is also their obligation to help other developers with game development.

[QUOTE="host0211"][QUOTE="Cybiotik"]

Scared by the fact that a spin of of a franchise sold faster than you prefcious Killzone...LMAO...

Cybiotik

Nope...people treat Halo Wars like a real Halo...nope sorry. Its a spin off. If you were to compare a Halo...why not Halo 3...oh thats right, cause it tears Killzone to shreads. Also Killzone is not a new IP...this is their THIRD GAME! The second was a spinnoff...and dont let me bring you THOSE sales...lmao silly cows.

um killzone 2 is a new ip halo wars is HALO it's a big disapointment at the low sales it shouldve been at 5 or 6 million by now it's got halo on the cover. Killzone 2 right now is destroying it in sales.host0211

Nope...people treat Halo Wars like a real Halo...nope sorry. Its a spin off. If you were to compare a Halo...why not Halo 3...oh thats right, cause it tears Killzone to shreads. Also Killzone is not a new IP...this is their THIRD GAME! The second was a spinnoff...and dont let me bring you THOSE sales...lmao silly cows.

Games are like the Movies, it has to make back not only it's development costs, but also the marketing costs as well.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Lets hypothetically pretend Killzone 2 took an insane amount of 40 million to make and market. Then Sony sells at least one million for each major territory to retailers. Lets say the cut is a low number of $20 on average to Sony per unit on each one sold to retailers - after the retailers purchase the game for less, plus manufacturing/shipping costs of the product.

2 million copies X $20 each copy = 40 million minimum.

I don't think you need to worry about the investment. TREY 4 LI4E.

Nike_Air

Still a stupidly big budget. Also, Sony is probably closer to 15 dollars per unit. Then there is marketing and promotion. The game is not a failure, its just stupidly designed from a business stand point.

It ISN'T STUPID AT ALL ..... I feel it is Sony's obligation to push the platform and give gamers amazing content and lead the way. It is also their obligation to help other developers with game development.

I missed the marketing though I doubt the 40 million included marketing but lets pretend it did. 40 million is ridiculous and Killzone 2 isn't pushing hardware in any significannt way to justify that budget. Not even close. The engine works usefulness is beyond our knowledge but I personally seriously doubt anything of use will come from that engine besides like maybe 2 games. The only benefit I see is that the game was good.

And yes I think it was stupid. The game may be great but its a financial waste in my opinion and I hardly call it or any game by any 1st party at this point leading the way.