Killzone 2 is not console graphics king, these games look better (56k)

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

:lol: yeah becuase consoles can do that kind of AA. I guess i just proved teh poerz of teh cell :lol: :lol:

Camer999

There are no aliasing problems in killzone 2, and uncharted 2. I don't want to fight with you because I'm tired but, you are completely disregarding the techinical achievement of this game.

Thoughs are ugly shots get some shots with the atmosphe and alot of lighting effects, it is the arts t y l e that makes this game look good.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

There are no aliasing problems in killzone 2, and uncharted 2. I don't want to fight with you because I'm tired but, you are completely disregarding the techinical achievement of this game.

Camer999

There are aliasing problems with EVERY game on the 360 and PS3. Every single one. you know why? AA costs lots of memory and power and it is not worth the huge FPS hit with their low ammount of VRAM (both). The PS3 is not even capable of 4X AA due to GPU resturiction hence that joke called Quincunx AA which is basically a blur filter and is used in KZ2.

But RE5 has 4xAA on the 360, I think that is enough for a lack of jagges also, GT5 has 4x AA.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

There are no aliasing problems in killzone 2, and uncharted 2. I don't want to fight with you because I'm tired but, you are completely disregarding the techinical achievement of this game.

noble_aryan

Thoughs are ugly shots get some shots with the atmosphe and alot of lighting effects, it is the arts t y l e that makes this game look good.

Multiplayer shot have the same graphics as the SP in Killzone, the only game that does that infact.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] :lol: Stop it you're killing me!

There are aliasing problems with EVERY game on the 360 and PS3. Every single one. you know why? AA costs lots of memory and power and it is not worth the huge FPS hit with their low ammount of VRAM (both). The PS3 is not even capable of 4X AA due to GPU resturiction hence that joke called Quincunx AA which is basically a blur filter and is used in KZ2.

mitu123

But RE5 has 4xAA on the 360, I think that is enough for a lack of jagges also, GT5 has 4x AA.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

KZ2 looks better then those games except uncharted

sikanderahmed

none of those games are the graphics kings.but ill bet every single one of those games plays better(i know far cry 2 and gears 2 do.)the only one im skepitical about is alan wake.which i hope it doesnt control like RE5(i dont think it will tho).but that game will far surpass it in atmosphere in story.which is what its trying to accomplish.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] :lol: Stop it you're killing me!

There are aliasing problems with EVERY game on the 360 and PS3. Every single one. you know why? AA costs lots of memory and power and it is not worth the huge FPS hit with their low ammount of VRAM (both). The PS3 is not even capable of 4X AA due to GPU resturiction hence that joke called Quincunx AA which is basically a blur filter and is used in KZ2.

mitu123

But RE5 has 4xAA on the 360, I think that is enough for a lack of jagges also, GT5 has 4x AA.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

RE5 on the 360 has better frame rates than the PS3 version, check Lensoftruth.

Multiplayer shot have the same graphics as the SP in Killzone, the only game that does that infact.

Camer999

The graphics are not the same. GG did a pretty good job at keeping the fidelity high though. Better than most console games where you can clearly see the difference. ND IMO didn't do nearly as good as job with Uncharted 2's MP modes with less players and smaller maps.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

There are no aliasing problems in killzone 2, and uncharted 2. I don't want to fight with you because I'm tired but, you are completely disregarding the techinical achievement of this game.

nhh18

There are aliasing problems with EVERY game on the 360 and PS3. Every single one. you know why? AA costs lots of memory and power and it is not worth the huge FPS hit with their low ammount of VRAM (both). The PS3 is not even capable of 4X AA due to GPU resturiction hence that joke called Quincunx AA which is basically a blur filter and is used in KZ2.

:lol: Well now we are angry with the facts, if you think KZ2 has 4X AA then you are sorely mistaken. It does not. Here have a look.

Deffered Shading is used in KZ2.

look it up.

"Another rather important disadvantage is, that due to separating the lighting stage from the geometric stage, hardware anti alias does not produce correct results any more: although the first pass used when rendering the basic properties (diffuse, normal etc.) can use anti alias, it's not until full lighting has been applied that anti alias is needed. One of the usual techniques to overcome this limitation is using edge detection on the final image and then applying blur over the edges"

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

But RE5 has 4xAA on the 360, I think that is enough for a lack of jagges also, GT5 has 4x AA.

Camer999

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

RE5 on the 360 has better frame rates than the PS3 version, check Lensoftruth.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]Sigh. You are such a jerk, and wrong. There are barely any jags at all in killzone 2 why don't you play the game. ACtually I'm bailing out of this argument. I don't want to bother anymore. Anyway, KZ2 has 4X AA.

nhh18

:lol: Well now we are angry with the facts, if you think KZ2 has 4X AA then you are sorely mistaken. It does not. Here have a look.

Deffered Shading is used in KZ2.

look it up.

"Another rather important disadvantage is, that due to separating the lighting stage from the geometric stage, hardware anti alias does not produce correct results any more: although the first pass used when rendering the basic properties (diffuse, normal etc.) can use anti alias, it's not until full lighting has been applied that anti alias is needed. One of the usual techniques to overcome this limitation is using edge detection on the final image and then applying blur over the edges"

"Killzone 2 shipped with 2x quincox MSAA and a fat deferred shading buffer 64 Megs! If i recall correctly. However, it was PS3 only, and killzone 2 essentially has no foilage - the world is desolate & urban. They certainly aren't rendering jungles." They also used the buffer system and blurto simulate 4xMSAA. Now that I'm tired of this argument and you are now the biggest jerk and I actually reported you for actually messaging me.

Usually when you insult someone you don't snitch that person 2 seconds after because that's gonna backfire, trust me. I can just report you now for trolling, ya know ;) Second, repeating the same insult over and over again makes you look childish, especially after you snitch. Finally, you're still wrong and you implicitly admitted in in your post. Look at the red part: there is no real AA, it's just simulation, like you said. Massive blurring to hide the gazillion imperfections of the game that cows will never admit, and minimal FOV to make up for the performance loss.

Oh yeah, and you still don't have a valid reason to report him, other than "he proved me wrong!".

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

:lol: Well now we are angry with the facts, if you think KZ2 has 4X AA then you are sorely mistaken. It does not. Here have a look.

Deffered Shading is used in KZ2.

look it up.

"Another rather important disadvantage is, that due to separating the lighting stage from the geometric stage, hardware anti alias does not produce correct results any more: although the first pass used when rendering the basic properties (diffuse, normal etc.) can use anti alias, it's not until full lighting has been applied that anti alias is needed. One of the usual techniques to overcome this limitation is using edge detection on the final image and then applying blur over the edges"

Hanass

"Killzone 2 shipped with 2x quincox MSAA and a fat deferred shading buffer 64 Megs! If i recall correctly. However, it was PS3 only, and killzone 2 essentially has no foilage - the world is desolate & urban. They certainly aren't rendering jungles." They also used the buffer system and blurto simulate 4xMSAA. Now that I'm tired of this argument and you are now the biggest jerk and I actually reported you for actually messaging me.

Usually when you insult someone you don't snitch that person 2 seconds after because that's gonna backfire, trust me. I can just report you now for trolling, ya know ;) Second, repeating the same insult over and over again makes you look childish, especially after you snitch. Finally, you're still wrong and you implicitly admitted in in your post. Look at the red part: there is no real AA, it's just simulation, like you said. Massive blurring to hide the gazillion imperfections of the game that cows will never admit, and minimal FOV to make up for the performance loss.

Oh yeah, and you still don't have a valid reason to report him, other than "he proved me wrong!".

http://enterthesingularity.blogspot.com/2009/06/deferred-rendering-w-msaa-msaa-z.html

Here itis. I'm tired and not going to deal with this. But in no way what he did was kind of mean in any way. I don't care that he proved me wrong (it didn't have 4x msAA it had 2x) It is that he is a creep and sent me that message that I reported him.

[QUOTE="Communistsheep"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]

Heres some K2 to compare

G-O-M-J

Looks good as ever.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]I didn't want to bother with you, again and finally reported you for being one of the biggest jerks on this site but here

"Killzone 2 shipped with 2x quincox MSAA and a fat deferred shading buffer 64 Megs! If i recall correctly. However, it was PS3 only, and killzone 2 essentially has no foilage - the world is desolate & urban. They certainly aren't rendering jungles." They also used the buffer system and blurto simulate 4xMSAA. Now that I'm tired of this argument and you are now the biggest jerk and I actually reported you for actually messaging me.

nhh18

Usually when you insult someone you don't snitch that person 2 seconds after because that's gonna backfire, trust me. I can just report you now for trolling, ya know ;) Second, repeating the same insult over and over again makes you look childish, especially after you snitch. Finally, you're still wrong and you implicitly admitted in in your post. Look at the red part: there is no real AA, it's just simulation, like you said. Massive blurring to hide the gazillion imperfections of the game that cows will never admit, and minimal FOV to make up for the performance loss.

Oh yeah, and you still don't have a valid reason to report him, other than "he proved me wrong!".

http://enterthesingularity.blogspot.com/2009/06/deferred-rendering-w-msaa-msaa-z.html

Here itis. I'm tired and not going to deal with this. But in no way what he did was kind of mean in any way. I don't care that he proved me wrong (it didn't have 4x msAA it had 2x) It is that he is a creep and sent me that message that I reported him.

You keep bringing up links that show quincox AA (whatever it's called), do you even know that it's 100% fake? Just blurring. Ok, maybe not 100%, but definitely not genuine.

lol at the TC using PC shots of Lost Planet 2 and Far Cry 2.

I love how people argue about graphics king go by screenshots while haven't played the game firsthand.

Sorry guys, the opinions you formed from playing KZ2 for 2 minutes at a "buddie's house" doesn't mean diddly squat.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Usually when you insult someone you don't snitch that person 2 seconds after because that's gonna backfire, trust me. I can just report you now for trolling, ya know ;) Second, repeating the same insult over and over again makes you look childish, especially after you snitch. Finally, you're still wrong and you implicitly admitted in in your post. Look at the red part: there is no real AA, it's just simulation, like you said. Massive blurring to hide the gazillion imperfections of the game that cows will never admit, and minimal FOV to make up for the performance loss.

Oh yeah, and you still don't have a valid reason to report him, other than "he proved me wrong!".

Hanass

http://enterthesingularity.blogspot.com/2009/06/deferred-rendering-w-msaa-msaa-z.html

Here itis. I'm tired and not going to deal with this. But in no way what he did was kind of mean in any way. I don't care that he proved me wrong (it didn't have 4x msAA it had 2x) It is that he is a creep and sent me that message that I reported him.

You keep bringing up links that show quincox AA (whatever it's called), do you even know that it's 100% fake? Just blurring.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]I hate the fact that NOT ONE of those screens posted is direct feed except the Gear 2 shot. Not one. Does Sony have some kind of "Create bullshot" button on the PS3? :? nhh18

What's up with the weekly editions of "KZ2 is not console graphics king" ?
SW is becoming rather derivative.

What's up with the weekly editions of "KZ2 is not console graphics king" ?
SW is becoming rather derivative.

aflakian

What's up with the DAILY "X PS3 game looks better than Crysis!" threads? Cows are becoming rather arrogant now. Bottom line is that 90% of people here probably don't even know what a computer is.

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

What's up with the weekly editions of "KZ2 is not console graphics king" ?
SW is becoming rather derivative.

Hanass

What's up with the DAILY "X PS3 game looks better than Crysis!" threads? Cows are becoming rather arrogant now. Bottom line is that 90% of people here probably don't even know what a computer is.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

What's up with the weekly editions of "KZ2 is not console graphics king" ?
SW is becoming rather derivative.

aflakian

What's up with the DAILY "X PS3 game looks better than Crysis!" threads? Cows are becoming rather arrogant now. Bottom line is that 90% of people here probably don't even know what a computer is.

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There's one with almot 400 replies and the same troll who keeps saying that Killzone 2 looks better than a Crysis running on a $5000 PC. How can you miss that one?

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

What's up with the DAILY "X PS3 game looks better than Crysis!" threads? Cows are becoming rather arrogant now. Bottom line is that 90% of people here probably don't even know what a computer is.

Hanass

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There's one with almot 400 replies and the same troll who keeps saying that Killzone 2 looks better than a Crysis running on a $5000 PC. How can you miss that one?

lol at the TC using PC shots of Lost Planet 2 and Far Cry 2.

SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

lol at the TC using PC shots of Lost Planet 2 and Far Cry 2.

G-O-M-J

Notice you don't have a pic of killzone because your logic is flawed

Notice you don't have a pic of killzone because your logic is flawed

Wiiingssbb

Check second page.

Personally i think Alan wake has a shot at graphics king.aero250

Do bodies in kz2 gib when an explosion goes off next to them? People keep posting that gif of a grenade throwing a guy around like a gi joe doll and it looks really stupid.

Far Cry 2 and GeoW2 do not look better than KZ2, and I own both of those games and have played them on the same hdtv. Alan Wake may look better but I'm still not sure which are PC or 360 shots. Uncharted 2 may look better as well from what I've seen from the beta.

Overall, those two games aren't out yet so if you can say these are graphics king, I'll raise you by saying I know of a game that comes out within 4 years that will blow them all away, I'm just not going to tell you what it is yet, but trust me, it will come!

Far Cry 2 and GeoW2 do not look better than KZ2, and I own both of those games and have played them on the same hdtv. Alan Wake may look better but I'm still not sure which are PC or 360 shots. Uncharted 2 may look better as well from what I've seen from the beta.

Overall, those two games aren't out yet so if you can say these are graphics king, I'll raise you by saying I know of a game that comes out within 4 years that will blow them all away, I'm just not going to tell you what it is yet, but trust me, it will come!

tmntPunchout

^--the man speaks the truth kudos.

[QUOTE="aero250"]Personally i think Alan wake has a shot at graphics king.AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="aero250"]Personally i think Alan wake has a shot at graphics king.aero250

They only spent 2 years on forza 3 lol.

"Console graphics king" What is this witchcraft? You have Kings for second place?

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

lol at the TC using PC shots of Lost Planet 2 and Far Cry 2.

aflakian

I was going to ask him that.

Far Cry 2on Consoles isn't recognized by anyone as a graphics anything, perhaps Graphics Jester.

Killzone 2 is without a doubt the King. Uncharted 2 is the successor to the throne.

most of those arent out yet. Gears 2 is not better looking, love my gears, but it has this fuzz factor to it that the other games dont.. when you get close to a character models face, self shadowing and stuff just has this weird fuzz to it, i think its to mask some graphical hitches

Honestly, I gotta say, Killzone 2 and even MGS4 are pretty much top of the game right now. Some parts of MGS4 blow my mind with how good they look.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] :lol: Stop it you're killing me!

There are aliasing problems with EVERY game on the 360 and PS3. Every single one. you know why? AA costs lots of memory and power and it is not worth the huge FPS hit with their low ammount of VRAM (both). The PS3 is not even capable of 4X AA due to GPU resturiction hence that joke called Quincunx AA which is basically a blur filter and is used in KZ2.

BoloTheGreat

:lol: Well now we are angry with the facts, if you think KZ2 has 4X AA then you are sorely mistaken. It does not. Here have a look.

Deffered Shading is used in KZ2.

look it up.

"Another rather important disadvantage is, that due to separating the lighting stage from the geometric stage, hardware anti alias does not produce correct results any more: although the first pass used when rendering the basic properties (diffuse, normal etc.) can use anti alias, it's not until full lighting has been applied that anti alias is needed. One of the usual techniques to overcome this limitation is using edge detection on the final image and then applying blur over the edges"

I swear to god that still pics always look 1000x better than the actual games in motion.