Kinect camera downgraded-- can't read sign language, 320x240 resolution

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]When Microsoft considers buying stuff in the future, I think they need to ask themselves "why didn't our competitors want this?" before they commit.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]You all are not thinking interactively because KINECT IS NOT A TV... it is motion tech that brings you into the game. Imagine RPGS... being able to name your character via voice command, Equiping your Armor, Casting spells etc.. Imagine being able to actually throw a plasma grenade in Halo. Kinect is much better then motion on a stick ala move and the wiimote imo.Zero_epyon

Wow you understand most true RPG fans would like to have their voice as the character's and become the character. Also addons like the Wii could help kinect

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] Why don't you wait and see how Kinect performs. You could well be eating your own words.TBoogy

Indeed. The performance and games are going to be unimpressive for core gamers. This is going to be a novelty for casuals just like that electric muscle training thingy I bought and forgot about when I was very young and dumb (and before I became real skinny by nature).

Why is this a bad thing?

When playing Kinect online, all those 13 yo can't give you the finger anymore! Or make weird movements with their fingers in which a hole and 1 finger is involved. M$ is way ahead of it's time when taking precautions. Remember when they decided to charge for XBL? That's when they understood the amount of 13 yo would be effectively be cut in half since 13 yo don't have the money for that kind of stuff.
Great stuff M$, please go on with your brilliant moves.

So ms wants 150 for a camera that has the same resolution as a 10dollar webcam? Am I missing something here?spike6566

your missing soo much, I dont think its possible to fill it

Kinect has been announced how long ago? why do people compare it to a camera, would you compare a webcam to a camcorder?

[QUOTE="spike6566"]So ms wants 150 for a camera that has the same resolution as a 10dollar webcam? Am I missing something here?gamer-adam1

your missing soo much, I dont think its possible to fill it

Kinect has been announced how long ago? why do people compare it to a camera, would you compare a webcam to a camcorder?

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

OK, I also have to point out that the camera's resolution does not mean anything. You are not printing photos from the thing. The xbox is only using it to see how you are moving. This is a non issue really.TBoogy

come on, the resolution is the only thing that matters!

thats a joke

So ms wants 150 for a camera that has the same resolution as a 10dollar webcam? Am I missing something here?spike6566

Um, I don't think that = $10 webcam

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

savagetwinkie

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

Filthybastrd

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

Filthybastrd

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

Filthybastrd

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

savagetwinkie

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

So you think it will be able to track individual fingers instead of gestures?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

actually removing the processor was a good move, it will give a more flexible option for upgrades in the future, if you have a dedicated processor like that, upgrades means upgrading the hardware too

and you don't need a high resolution for input, your not outputing the image so it doesn't matter if it looks like crap, so long as they get the data they need, and processing images is an incredibly intensive on the CPU, likely its more for performance then it is for "down grading" the camera itself might actually support higher resolutions since there really isn't many native 320x240 cameras anymore.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

Sry if I offended you with my biased wording (not really).

Your sig does'nt help my bias though.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

Filthybastrd

Sry if I offended you with my biased wording (not really).

Your sig does'nt help my bias though.

Your sig says you only do not have a 360

and you bash kinect, and yes your wording makes it sound like Kinect damages

Seriously what does Hamtaro and a dance game say about me?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

Filthybastrd

Sry if I offended you with my biased wording (not really).

Your sig does'nt help my bias though.

well Kinect games do look pretty good, and not many games use the full power, so I think kinect will be used for puzzle or areas that dont need alot of things going on. so I think kinect can still work with non kinect required games.

and you are right about point 2, but that problem means the kinect verison will offer better support...hopefully they dont do it a year after

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Wow... kinect is an addon and shares the power not 'leech' it's powerBanjo_Kongfooie

Sry if I offended you with my biased wording (not really).

Your sig does'nt help my bias though.

Your sig says you only do not have a 360

and you bash kinect, and yes your wording makes it sound like Kinect damages

Seriously what does Hamtaro and a dance game say about me?

I was referring to the dance video. It just makes me cringe......

I dont know why this thing does not have a high res camera. As much as it costs i feel MS could have at least added that.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Yeah... but right now the only reason to buy it would be out of hope and speculation that some as-of-yet unannounced game might end up being good? There's a reason why launch games typically have some highly-anticipated titles peppered in there.bowlingotter

Out of the launch line-up Dance Central is going to be huge. I'm not a dancer and don't consider myself a casual gamer and I bought a new Wii and Just Dance, with the amount me, my girlfriend, our friends have played that it was a worthwhile purchase even though thats the only game I own for the Wii. My girlfriend bought EA Active, but I never play that.

I'm also looking forward to Sonic Free Riders, that looks like a lot of fun to play with friends.

The tech hasn't been downgraded, this is the same resolution camera that was shown at E3. The prototype may have been downgraded but that's about it.

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Sry if I offended you with my biased wording (not really).

Your sig does'nt help my bias though.

Filthybastrd

Your sig says you only do not have a 360

and you bash kinect, and yes your wording makes it sound like Kinect damages

Seriously what does Hamtaro and a dance game say about me?

I was referring to the dance video. It just makes me cringe......

It gives most people dance fever what Move/Wii title lets you jam naturally?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"] Because Ham Hams and dancing are biased...?

Your sig says you only do not have a 360

and you bash kinect, and yes your wording makes it sound like Kinect damages

Seriously what does Hamtaro and a dance game say about me?

Banjo_Kongfooie

I was referring to the dance video. It just makes me cringe......

It gives most people dance fever what Move/Wii title lets you jam naturally?

None but if you really want to dance, there's better ways and places to do it than in front of your tv with a camera. Trust me, you'll enjoy the real experience much more if this is what you're into.

It will be less awkward and you'll have more room.

And if you're not into this thing (like me) Kinect just seems like utter trash in it's current state.

Edit: And you'er correct that I don't own a 360 anymore. Owning a PC sort of makes it pointless unless Halo is really important to you.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I was referring to the dance video. It just makes me cringe......

Filthybastrd

It gives most people dance fever what Move/Wii title lets you jam naturally?

None but if you really want to dance, there's better ways and places to do it than in front of your tv with a camera. Trust me, you'll enjoy the real experience much more if this is what you're into.

It will be less awkward and you'll have more room.

And if you're not into this thing (like me) Kinect just seems like utter trash in it's current state.

Edit: And you'er correct that I don't own a 360 anymore. Owning a PC sort of makes it pointless unless Halo is really important to you.

and there are hardcore kinect games like Star Wars

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]You all are not thinking interactively because KINECT IS NOT A TV... it is motion tech that brings you into the game. Imagine RPGS... being able to name your character via voice command, Equiping your Armor, Casting spells etc.. Imagine being able to actually throw a plasma grenade in Halo. Kinect is much better then motion on a stick ala move and the wiimote imo.Banjo_Kongfooie

Wow you understand most true RPG fans would like to have their voice as the character's and become the character. Also addons like the Wii could help kinect

Addons like the wii? Wouldn't that make it like the Move? You know a stick you hold in your hand while standing in front of a camera, with buttons...

So here's the logic:

Kinect < Kinect + Addon

Kinect + Addon = Move

Therefore Move > Kinect

Remember that's your logic not mine.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

It gives most people dance fever what Move/Wii title lets you jam naturally?

Banjo_Kongfooie

None but if you really want to dance, there's better ways and places to do it than in front of your tv with a camera. Trust me, you'll enjoy the real experience much more if this is what you're into.

It will be less awkward and you'll have more room.

And if you're not into this thing (like me) Kinect just seems like utter trash in it's current state.

Edit: And you'er correct that I don't own a 360 anymore. Owning a PC sort of makes it pointless unless Halo is really important to you.

and there are hardcore kinect games like Star Wars

Have you actually seen any vid's from that game?

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

RogueShodown

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] 1) "Imagine RPGS... being able to name your character via voice command, Equiping your Armor, Casting spells etc.." So much for late night Dragon Age :P Seriously though, voice commands can be done with the XBOX Headset that comes with every XBOX 360. That hasn't been done till now why would it start with Kinect? 2)"Imagine being able to actually throw a plasma grenade in Halo." I can imagine that. I can also imagine you throwing your controller at your tv because you forgot to put you controller down first. Try imagining running and jumping on halo. Aiming, shooting? "BAH! BAH! BAH!" Imagine playing online against people using controllers. You'll get slaughtered. I think buttons are the way to go being that real life works with buttons and triggers also.Zero_epyon

Wow you understand most true RPG fans would like to have their voice as the character's and become the character. Also addons like the Wii could help kinect

Addons like the wii? Wouldn't that make it like the Move? You know a stick you hold in your hand while standing in front of a camera, with buttons...

So here's the logic:

Kinect < Kinect + Addon

Kinect + Addon = Move

Therefore Move > Kinect

Remember that's your logic not mine.

Assuming the add-on was a wii-remote/move like stick then you are absolutely correct.

Unfortunately add-on =/= wii remote.

But honestly I think Kinect alone > Move.

But if you added something as simple as a stick that is held in one hand, much like the wii's nunchuck That would make it able to play all of the "hardcore" games you guys are whining about.

Oh and also, with the Kinect camera if they did copy the wii remote like Sony then that does not = move. It would be Kinect + Wii-mote copy > Move.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

93soccer

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

93soccer

Yet much less functional when it comes to games :P

Move > kinect i guess? Ratchet_Fan8

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

Wow you understand most true RPG fans would like to have their voice as the character's and become the character. Also addons like the Wii could help kinect

JStroud88

Addons like the wii? Wouldn't that make it like the Move? You know a stick you hold in your hand while standing in front of a camera, with buttons...

So here's the logic:

Kinect < Kinect + Addon

Kinect + Addon = Move

Therefore Move > Kinect

Remember that's your logic not mine.

Assuming the add-on was a wii-remote/move like stick then you are absolutely correct.

Unfortunately add-on =/= wii remote.

But honestly I think Kinect alone > Move.

But if you added something as simple as a stick that is held in one hand, much like the wii's nunchuck That would make it able to play all of the "hardcore" games you guys are whining about.

Oh and also, with the Kinect camera if they did copy the wii remote like Sony then that does not = move. It would be Kinect + Wii-mote copy > Move.

[QUOTE="JStroud88"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You mean Kinect can substitute every spoken word in the dialog of an RPG with yours? Didn't see that at E3 I must have dozed off.

Addons like the wii? Wouldn't that make it like the Move? You know a stick you hold in your hand while standing in front of a camera, with buttons...

So here's the logic:

Kinect < Kinect + Addon

Kinect + Addon = Move

Therefore Move > Kinect

Remember that's your logic not mine.

Zero_epyon

Assuming the add-on was a wii-remote/move like stick then you are absolutely correct.

Unfortunately add-on =/= wii remote.

But honestly I think Kinect alone > Move.

But if you added something as simple as a stick that is held in one hand, much like the wii's nunchuck That would make it able to play all of the "hardcore" games you guys are whining about.

Oh and also, with the Kinect camera if they did copy the wii remote like Sony then that does not = move. It would be Kinect + Wii-mote copy > Move.

The difference is that Microsoft is trying to avoid the controllers all together to be unique with their "Hands Free" exerience.

At the moment, Microsoft's Kinect is stuck withs its own limitations, and with that, they cannot move forward.

Unless that is they go against theyre own word and come out with addons.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="JStroud88"]

Assuming the add-on was a wii-remote/move like stick then you are absolutely correct.

Unfortunately add-on =/= wii remote.

But honestly I think Kinect alone > Move.

But if you added something as simple as a stick that is held in one hand, much like the wii's nunchuck That would make it able to play all of the "hardcore" games you guys are whining about.

Oh and also, with the Kinect camera if they did copy the wii remote like Sony then that does not = move. It would be Kinect + Wii-mote copy > Move.

WiiMan21

The difference is that Microsoft is trying to avoid the controllers all together to be unique with their "Hands Free" exerience.

Kinect < Kinect + accessory = Move

and

Kinect + Accessory doesn't exist

then

Kinect < Move in any case.

I guess I just need to try out Move, I tried out Kinect at the Park Meadows Mall in Lone Tree and I was very impressed with it, worked great. The games I played didn't have any noticeable lag and they were just a lot of fun.

But motion control gaming isn't for everyone.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

People always bash MS for copying others.. now they are trying their own unique thing people are bashing them. Lose Lose imo =/

93soccer

No, not really. The added camera makes both equally "innovative". The difference is that the Wii-mote and PS Move aren't nearly as limited, while people look at Kinect and are fooled into thinking it's innovative because they never heard of the Eyetoy and PS Eye.

[QUOTE="spike6566"]So ms wants 150 for a camera that has the same resolution as a 10dollar webcam? Am I missing something here?Anjunaddict

Um, I don't think that = $10 webcam

I cna't say I'm too surprised. It seemed too good to be true.

i figured they might have to simply it to a degree to keep costs down. Still disappointing, though.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"]So ms wants 150 for a camera that has the same resolution as a 10dollar webcam? Am I missing something here?spike6566

Um, I don't think that = $10 webcam

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

1: Removing the processor means kinect leeches processing power from the 360 = less power for the games?

2: having a lower resolution makes the camera worse at recognizing complex gestures?

Filthybastrd

So you think it will be able to track individual fingers instead of gestures?