Kingdom Hearts gets way too much hate here

The combat is great, and so is the music.

But for me, the "storyline" (I struggle to call it a story), the characters, and the whole Disney crossover thing is beyond stupid to me.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]First of all. None of the handhelds are spin offs. They all fill in the many plot holes the kingdom hearts series has. Also, kingdom hearts 3 can't be made until versus 13 is done. Were lucky to even get these handheld games to keep us satisfied unltil kingdom hearts 3 can be made. The only kh game that didn't add much was the new one, coded. Every other game had good gameplay and was received well. Why hate on a series that can't do much until the main team is done with its other project?RandomWinner

But the first 2 games were fun enough!

It needs to disappear for a while, and return with a console game.

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

spookykid143

KH2 combat got so button mashing and pretty much put magic way in the back. Kingdom Hearts at least wasn't as bad and has a better magic system.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]They are still spin offs of the main series, not saying they are bad games though. Also everything gets way too much hate on here nearly.Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

spookykid143

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

jasonharris48

There's no 1000 heartless battle in KH1, so yeah KH2 wins.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]I don't see how KH1 is better then KH2, 2 had the better combat and a more interesting story, the only major negative was that it was to easy.

GreenGoblin2099

There's no 1000 heartless battle in KH1, so yeah KH2 wins.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

spookykid143

My problem with the series is how much they recycle material. The majority of the worlds are the same in every game except the main series and BBS. CoM, 358/2, and Re:Coded. All repeat.

The series is becoming like Guitar Hero or CoD. A release every year. To answer a previous question; I would rather have nothing Kingdom Hearts related because then I would be really excited for KH3 with every side story that I'm suppose to buy because it adds little details to the main story I get tired of the series.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original KH is a masterpiece. One of the best action RPGs I've ever played. I can't comment on the handhelds but from what I played of KH2 (that's right, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it), it's freakish monstrosity that deserves each and every bit of hate that may get tossed it's way. It also makes me not look forward to a KH3, if there ever is one.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

The entire Kingdom Hearts series if you want to get technical is nothing but a Final Fantasy spin off :|

soulitane

Where did you get that BS?:?

And the old Saved By the Bell characters played minor roles in New Class. I fail to see your point. A lot of you guys use the WRONG definition of spinoff. A lot of you guys think spin off = bad or equals to a quick cash in. Nope a spin off is just that. A spin off.

Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Guess what that's a spin off of Final Fantasy.

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I found part 1 to be the better game in terms of gameplay and story (not saying much about the story). Kingdom Hearts 2 was a complete button mashing joke.

Wanderer5

There's no 1000 heartless battle in KH1, so yeah KH2 wins.

The hate is big here in SW indeed.

:P

Now there´s a franchise I wouldn´t touch with a 10ft pole.

Oh sorry,is that hating? :P

Now there´s a franchise I wouldn´t touch with a 10ft pole.

Oh sorry,is that hating? :P

Arach666

It's cool, it's cool... we know you're jelous because they are not on PC.

:P

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]I don't see how KH1 is better then KH2, 2 had the better combat and a more interesting story, the only major negative was that it was to easy.

spookykid143

Well maybe I wasn't, but the game was doing little to hold my attention. I just thought that overall it was a tremendous drop in quality from the first game. Literally everything besides the graphics was way crappier to me. I'm glad you enjoyed it but I'm never going near it again.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Now there´s a franchise I wouldn´t touch with a 10ft pole.

Oh sorry,is that hating? :P

GreenGoblin2099

It's cool, it's cool... we know you're jelous because they are not on PC.

:P

Really? I've seen quite the opposite here.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Now there´s a franchise I wouldn´t touch with a 10ft pole.

Oh sorry,is that hating? :P

Arach666

It's cool, it's cool... we know you're jelous because they are not on PC.

:P

Oh and we don't want that to happen, right??

Oopsie!! :P

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

It's cool, it's cool... we know you're jelous because they are not on PC.

:P

GreenGoblin2099

Oh and we don't want that to happen, right??

Oopsie!! :P

And I would rather play SvM anyday. :P

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] I couldn't disagree more. KH2's story was a convoluted mess that made little sense even after the 15 hour mark. The hilariously easy combat was only bested in crappiness by the stupidly linear and boring level design. It just completely lacked the imagination and wonder of KH1.Master_ShakeXXX

Well maybe I wasn't, but the game was doing little to hold my attention. I just thought that overall it was a tremendous drop in quality from the first game. Literally everything besides the graphics was way crappier to me. I'm glad you enjoyed it but I'm never going near it again.

The main games ont he PS2 were good but not great. The second one was especially easy and the story isn't anything special.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]I don't see how KH1 is better then KH2, 2 had the better combat and a more interesting story, the only major negative was that it was to easy.

spookykid143

I disagree; it's a mess really. It's really easy to get lost since the game has a bunch of duplicate characters and some of them look alike. Ex: Sora, his nobody, Ventus (who looks like Roxas), etc. Sora is derived from his heartless, Roxas, Ventus and someone's memories. It's too much stuff going on for just one character. The same applies to Kairi, Riku, Xehanort, and the list goes on.

And the fact that it needs multiple titles to clear up some of the plot-holes should tell you that it's not doing a good job on telling its story, and even those spin-offs don't properly clear up the holes and just create new ones.

First of all. None of the handhelds are spin offs. They all fill in the many plot holes the kingdom hearts series has.Capitan_Kid

kingdom hearts 3 can't be made until versus 13 is done. Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Just about everything Japanese gets hated on here.

Yangire

Anything that's not a shooter, WRPG, or has a budget lower than a few million gets hated on here.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]First of all. None of the handhelds are spin offs. They all fill in the many plot holes the kingdom hearts series has.vashkey

kingdom hearts 3 can't be made until versus 13 is done. Capitan_Kid

Basically everything past the first game has been completely unnecessary. It was a novel concept that was decently executed... but drawing it out over 5+ games isn't really all that appealing.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] No, they're spin offs. It's not a part of the main plot, they aren't required to Understand the main titles and they aren't numbered. [QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] kingdom hearts 3 can't be made until versus 13 is done. jasonharris48

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

Where did you get that BS?:?

The__Havoc

And the old Saved By the Bell characters played minor roles in New Class. I fail to see your point. A lot of you guys use the WRONG definition of spinoff. A lot of you guys think spin off = bad or equals to a quick cash in. Nope a spin off is just that. A spin off.

Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Guess what that's a spin off of Final Fantasy.

I really enjoyed 1&2 both felt like AA games. I still need to play BBS.

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

I don't hate them, they seem like great rpgs for children. dc337

[QUOTE="dc337"]I don't hate them, they seem like great rpgs for children. spookykid143

Great example of a completely delusional mentality here.

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

GreySeal9

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

finalfantasy94

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

sandbox3d

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

Looks at GOW series. Its button masy and yet its a very well recived series. Just the thoughtof button masy=crap game is just a load of bull. I also thought tenchu played ok for its time. I will admit thought it felt stiff but some of the sequels got better.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

sandbox3d

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

finalfantasy94

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

Looks at GOW series. Its button masy and yet its a very well recived series. Just the thoughtof button masy=crap game is just a load of bull. I also thought tenchu played ok for its time. I will admit thought it felt stiff but some of the sequels got better.

Well, I feel the same about GoW as a button masher as well. All the high production values and QTEs in the world dont stop me from thinking the games are mediocre at best.

Obviously a difference of tastes I guess.

As for Tenchu, I got into it a little late. There were plenty of better stealth experiences at the time. The camera was crap, the enemy AI was beyond horrible and the controls were clunky as hell. But it didnt stop me from being addicted to Wrath of Heaven for a good bit.

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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

Cherokee_Jack

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

I honestly havent put significant time into a KH game since the first one. Beyond that, I only played KH2 for a few hours and came away with an awful impression. Never played since, so I dont really know what the games have to offer now. I was just barging in on a conversation I guess. :P

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

sandbox3d

Looks at GOW series. Its button masy and yet its a very well recived series. Just the thoughtof button masy=crap game is just a load of bull. I also thought tenchu played ok for its time. I will admit thought it felt stiff but some of the sequels got better.

Well, I feel the same about GoW as a button masher as well. All the high production values and QTEs in the world dont stop me from thinking the games are mediocre at best.

Obviously a difference of tastes I guess.

As for Tenchu, I got into it a little late. There were plenty of better stealth experiences at the time. The camera was crap, the enemy AI was beyond horrible and the controls were clunky as hell. But it didnt stop me from being addicted to Wrath of Heaven for a good bit.

Basicly. Its not concret fact that button masy games=crap. This isint directly pointed at you its more pointed at people who generly believe that its fact. Its just you like them or you dont plan and simple.

we'll just have to say its opinion, I found chain of memories and birth by sleep to be useless and answer none of the real questions, Since I had figured out through hints in KH2 what had happend to the missing memebers of org XIII.

I found BBS to be one of my fav games of all time.

FF may be dead, but at least games like KH and TWEWY are still there, for me at least.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'll state this in a logical and academic way:

All things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers. All things that are button mashers are not worthy of praise. Thus, all things that are Kingdom Hearts are button mashers that are not worthy of praise.

finalfantasy94

Yea cause its dumb to praise something you enjoy. Give me a break dude. Just cause something is button masy doesint make it any less of a good game.

It certainly does IMO. I think button mashing=bad gameplay and bad gameplay definitely makes something less of a good game. Actually, I don't think I've every thought a button masher was worthy of praise. I don't like God of War either as I think it is shallow beyond belief. That's not to say that GOW is not a well-made game. It is. I just think it fails at gameplay. KH, on the other hand, fails at both gameplay and story, which kills it in my book.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Looks at GOW series. Its button masy and yet its a very well recived series. Just the thoughtof button masy=crap game is just a load of bull. I also thought tenchu played ok for its time. I will admit thought it felt stiff but some of the sequels got better.

finalfantasy94

Well, I feel the same about GoW as a button masher as well. All the high production values and QTEs in the world dont stop me from thinking the games are mediocre at best.

Obviously a difference of tastes I guess.

As for Tenchu, I got into it a little late. There were plenty of better stealth experiences at the time. The camera was crap, the enemy AI was beyond horrible and the controls were clunky as hell. But it didnt stop me from being addicted to Wrath of Heaven for a good bit.

Basicly. Its not concret fact that button masy games=crap. This isint directly pointed at you its more pointed at people who generly believe that its fact. Its just you like them or you dont plan and simple.

And if one doesn't like them, it's more likely that said person thinks the thing they don't like is not good.

I don't think it's a fact that button mashers are generally not good games. It's my opinion that you seem to be defensive about. Perhaps I shouldn't have joked around with the "logical" and "academic" thing, but I thought the "all things that are..." phrasing makes it obvious.