Kingdom Hearts gets way too much hate here

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Well it does typically mean the core mechanics of the game are poorly designed. I cant think of a time when "button masher" has been a positive way to describe gameplay. Just sayin. :P

Your enjoyment of the game is one thing. The quality of the gameplay is another. I used to be hooked on the Tenchu games, but I still recognize that the gameplay was crap. :lol:

sandbox3d

I honestly havent put significant time into a KH game since the first one. Beyond that, I only played KH2 for a few hours and came away with an awful impression. Never played since, so I dont really know what the games have to offer now. I was just barging in on a conversation I guess. :P

1000 heartless was not great and got repetitive almost instantly.:?

Wanderer5

It was still fun :|

What were you looking for? Isn't that the purpose of a game? To be fun...

The thing with KH is that is accessable to all ages and its target audience is large. The team actually did a fine time, sure there are problems though. Proud mode needs to be tweeked and reworked. Still to easy.

The KH series is one of the best there is... people can bash the story all they want.. the truth is that is is actually more complicated and better than most stories. Most people that don't like it probably don't understand.. want to understand. Yes they are button mashers (is that supposed to be a negative?).

All the games play into one grand story... (haven't played re:coded, just started 358/2, but BBS, KH1, and KH2, and CoM are awesome)

Yes. this game gets TONS of hate on SW. Probably because most of them can't fathom liking anything with Disney in it.

It was a fun, unique idea that's starting to really get slammed into the ground.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

1000 heartless was not great and got repetitive almost instantly.:?

hayato_

It was still fun :|

What were you looking for? Isn't that the purpose of a game? To be fun...

The thing with KH is that is accessable to all ages and its target audience is large. The team actually did a fine time, sure there are problems though. Proud mode needs to be tweeked and reworked. Still to easy.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

1000 heartless was not great and got repetitive almost instantly.:?

hayato_

It was still fun :|

What were you looking for? Isn't that the purpose of a game? To be fun...

The thing with KH is that is accessable to all ages and its target audience is large. The team actually did a fine time, sure there are problems though. Proud mode needs to be tweeked and reworked. Still to easy.

I was looking for a fun battle and it wasn't because it got so repetitive.:?

The KH series is one of the best there is... people can bash the story all they want.. the truth is that is is actually more complicated and better than most stories. Most people that don't like it probably don't understand.. want to understand. Yes they are button mashers (is that supposed to be a negative?).

All the games play into one grand story... (haven't played re:coded, just started 358/2, but BBS, KH1, and KH2, and CoM are awesome)

Yes. this game gets TONS of hate on SW. Probably because most of them can't fathom liking anything with Disney in it.

Infinite_Access

I love Disney, yet I dislike Kingdom Hearts, so that assumption is unwarranted. Seems like you can't fathom anybody not liking Kingdom Hearts.

And yes, button mashing is negative. How in the world could it not be a negative? Button mashing means there is no depth, nuance, variety or challenge in the combat.

Yes. this game gets TONS of hate on SW. Probably because most of them can't fathom liking anything with Disney in it.Infinite_Access

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[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

1000 heartless was not great and got repetitive almost instantly.:?

Wanderer5

It was still fun :|

What were you looking for? Isn't that the purpose of a game? To be fun...

The thing with KH is that is accessable to all ages and its target audience is large. The team actually did a fine time, sure there are problems though. Proud mode needs to be tweeked and reworked. Still to easy.

I was looking for a fun battle and it wasn't because it got so repetitive.:?

You wouldn't know fun even if it hit you on the face!!! :evil:

:P

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

hayato_

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

jasonharris48

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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

mrmusicman247

Yeah, but saying you cant get away with button mashing against one, or a couple of enemies in the entirety of a game does not say much. Try button mashing against even the most standard of enemies in Ninja Gaiden and you will become familiar with the game over screen.

I'm not sure why a person would defend button mashing gameplay. I know the fun of the game is subjective, but why wouldn't a person want the game to play better? Why would you not want the timing and accuracy of your inputs to carry significant meaning within the gameplay mechanics?

I cant wrap my head around this idea.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] You can still get away with button mashing in KH1 (only boss you can't really play by that method was Sephiroth). As for KH2 all you did was button mash even on the hardest difficulty.

sandbox3d

Yeah, but saying you cant get away with button mashing against one, or a couple of enemies in the entirety of a game does not say much. Try button mashing against even the most standard of enemies in Ninja Gaiden and you will become familiar with the game over screen.

I'm not sure why a person would defend button mashing gameplay. I know the fun of the game is subjective, but why wouldn't a person want the game to play better? Why would you not want the timing and accuracy of your inputs to carry significant meaning within the gameplay mechanics?

I cant wrap my head around this idea.

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] Yeah try button mashing against Captain Hook or Riku. :P Capitan_Kid

Yeah, but saying you cant get away with button mashing against one, or a couple of enemies in the entirety of a game does not say much. Try button mashing against even the most standard of enemies in Ninja Gaiden and you will become familiar with the game over screen.

I'm not sure why a person would defend button mashing gameplay. I know the fun of the game is subjective, but why wouldn't a person want the game to play better? Why would you not want the timing and accuracy of your inputs to carry significant meaning within the gameplay mechanics?

I cant wrap my head around this idea.

No I have not. But I'm not even really talking about KH specifically. As I said earlier I havent played KH in a long time and dont even know what the games play like now. I'm just wondering why people defend button masher gameplay in general, no matter what the game. I dont care if its KH or GoW. If a person enjoys a game like that then great! But why would a person get defensive about it? I've enjoyed my share of button mashers, but that doesnt mean I will deny what they are. And why would you not want your game to play better?

I dunno. Button mash type gameplay was so prevelant in the early years of console gaming. I had more than enough of it back then, why would I want those low standards now when so many other devs have shown that its not a necessity, but simply lazy design?

Burnout from excessive spinoffs is understandable. Hell, even I'm becoming apathetic towards the series and I started off as one of the more enthusiastic KH-Fanboys. Admittedly, Birth By Sleep was a spinoff title done right, but one title can't make up for all the others.

I'd probably be into Kingdom Hearts if they weren't so many spin-offs that were on handhelds. I mean, jeesh, by the time Kingdom Hearts 3 eventually happens I sure hope they found a way to include everyone on what's been going on.

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

hayato_

Just because you can't button mash on some of the "optional" bosses doesn't mean the game is not a button masher. During typical combat, the game is very mashy.

Seriously, pointing to optional bosses is an extraordinarily weak defense.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Yeah, but saying you cant get away with button mashing against one, or a couple of enemies in the entirety of a game does not say much. Try button mashing against even the most standard of enemies in Ninja Gaiden and you will become familiar with the game over screen.

I'm not sure why a person would defend button mashing gameplay. I know the fun of the game is subjective, but why wouldn't a person want the game to play better? Why would you not want the timing and accuracy of your inputs to carry significant meaning within the gameplay mechanics?

I cant wrap my head around this idea.

sandbox3d

No I have not. But I'm not even really talking about KH specifically. As I said earlier I havent played KH in a long time and dont even know what the games play like now. I'm just wondering why people defend button masher gameplay in general, no matter what the game. I dont care if its KH or GoW. If a person enjoys a game like that then great! But why would a person get defensive about it? I've enjoyed my share of button mashers, but that doesnt mean I will deny what they are. And why would you not want your game to play better?

I dunno. Button mash type gameplay was so prevelant in the early years of console gaming. I had more than enough of it back then, why would I want those low standards now when so many other devs have shown that its not a necessity, but simply lazy design?

Well, I remember how the first 2 play and they are button mashers for sure, but besides that, I agreed with about everything you just said.

I can somewhat enjoy a button masher for a little while, but I'll never call one a great game and I probably won't finish it.

Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 are the only KH titles to me. I hate it when developers release parts of the series on other consoles exclusively, especially when they are spread over four different gaming systems (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP). I'm sure they're good games, I just pretend they don't exist because I'm not buying multiple systems to follow them.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Yeah, but saying you cant get away with button mashing against one, or a couple of enemies in the entirety of a game does not say much. Try button mashing against even the most standard of enemies in Ninja Gaiden and you will become familiar with the game over screen.

I'm not sure why a person would defend button mashing gameplay. I know the fun of the game is subjective, but why wouldn't a person want the game to play better? Why would you not want the timing and accuracy of your inputs to carry significant meaning within the gameplay mechanics?

I cant wrap my head around this idea.

sandbox3d

No I have not. But I'm not even really talking about KH specifically. As I said earlier I havent played KH in a long time and dont even know what the games play like now. I'm just wondering why people defend button masher gameplay in general, no matter what the game. I dont care if its KH or GoW. If a person enjoys a game like that then great! But why would a person get defensive about it? I've enjoyed my share of button mashers, but that doesnt mean I will deny what they are. And why would you not want your game to play better?

I dunno. Button mash type gameplay was so prevelant in the early years of console gaming. I had more than enough of it back then, why would I want those low standards now when so many other devs have shown that its not a necessity, but simply lazy design?

Why are you using words like play better,low standards and lazy? We get it you dont like it but that doesint make them factualy bad games compared to others.

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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I don't know where all this button mashing is coming from really. Button mashing is technically in every game if you want to get that technical. Get past the story in KH and play some of the optional bosses. Try button mashing then:?.

mrmusicman247

Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 are the only KH titles to me. I hate it when developers release parts of the series on other consoles exclusively, especially when they are spread over four different gaming systems (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP). I'm sure they're good games, I just pretend they don't exist because I'm not buying multiple systems to follow them.

Twin-Blade

Honestly you could just stick to only the PS2 and PSP. The PS2 would have KH1, 2 and Chain of Memories, and PSP for Birth By Sleep. The DS ones can be skipped.

Through now we got a 3DS one and BBS Vol 2 could be on the PSP2 which I hope not...

Riku was not hard what so ever. Hook did pose a challenge I'll admit that, but you could still mash away and manage to beat him.

jasonharris48

Did we went through the same battle?0_0 The second fight against Riku was a nightmare!

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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Have you played birth by sleep? You can't button mash in that oneGreySeal9

No I have not. But I'm not even really talking about KH specifically. As I said earlier I havent played KH in a long time and dont even know what the games play like now. I'm just wondering why people defend button masher gameplay in general, no matter what the game. I dont care if its KH or GoW. If a person enjoys a game like that then great! But why would a person get defensive about it? I've enjoyed my share of button mashers, but that doesnt mean I will deny what they are. And why would you not want your game to play better?

I dunno. Button mash type gameplay was so prevelant in the early years of console gaming. I had more than enough of it back then, why would I want those low standards now when so many other devs have shown that its not a necessity, but simply lazy design?

Well, I remember how the first 2 play and they are button mashers for sure, but besides that, I agreed with about everything you just said.

I can somewhat enjoy a button masher for a little while, but I'll never call one a great game and I probably won't finish it.

1 and 2 are the only ones that are similar to button mashing. The other 3 games are far far from it. Do people play the handheld ones before bashing. Lots of these stupid assumptions would stop if they freaking played themCapitan_Kid

358/2 Days and Birth by Sleep were similar too, through 358/2 Days was so clunky while both were more risky.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 are the only KH titles to me. I hate it when developers release parts of the series on other consoles exclusively, especially when they are spread over four different gaming systems (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP). I'm sure they're good games, I just pretend they don't exist because I'm not buying multiple systems to follow them.

Wanderer5

Honestly you could just stick to only the PS2 and PSP. The PS2 would have KH1, 2 and Chain of Memories, and PSP for Birth By Sleep. The DS ones can be skipped.

Through now we got a 3DS one and BBS Vol 2 could be on the PSP2 which I hope not...

Riku was not hard what so ever. Hook did pose a challenge I'll admit that, but you could still mash away and manage to beat him.

jasonharris48

Did we went through the same battle?0_0 The second fight against Riku was a nightmare!

Wasn't all that hard. If you want try something difficult play Ninja Gaiden Black on Master Ninja and get back to me.

jasonharris48

No thanks.:P