Kingdom Hearts is more of an RPG than Mass Effect 2

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Will this conversation reappear once ME3 comes around the corner or will we all be too hyped up on Mass Effect craze drugs that we'll forget until months after hype settles?AAllxxjjnn

It'll reappear once I buy Resistance 3 and start challenging HYPE members, wait what?

But I don't want to watch a comic!

PUDDIPUDDIPUDDI

I love Kingdom Hearts, but for none of the reasons you listed. It is not an RPG known for its characters, story, or well-made universe. It's known for the amazing mash-up that it is, while also having solid button masher RPG gameplay. Frankly, I'd go into more detail to refute your claims but it seems rather biased. Calling characters in Mass Effect stereotypes, but Kingdom Hearts deep and engaging?

Kingdom Heart's story verges on incomprhensible at times, as well as feeling contrived at the best of times. Mass Effect feels far more organic.

Did you really expect SW to agree?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Skittles and I are always in our own little world. :oops:

Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]I don't believe you. :(IronBass

Come on. That cute (and very heterosexual) heart shows how sincere my feelings for you are.

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

I will have lots of fun making Skyrim > ME3 topics. :) :D 8) :twisted:Stevo_the_gamer

I'll have even more fun watching youwear your underwear on your head again xD

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I will have lots of fun making Skyrim > ME3 topics. :) :D 8) :twisted:IronBass

I'll have even more fun watching youwear your underwear on your head again xD

Iron Fish

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I will have lots of fun making Skyrim > ME3 topics. :) :D 8) :twisted:IronBass

I'll have even more fun watching youwear your underwear on your head again xD

Kindgom Hearts is for kids with it's Disney characters. Mass Effects is for grown ups.

p3anut

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

AdobeArtist

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

More of an RPG? maybe.... but a better game? lol, no.

Don't say "Hey man" please, you make us girl gamers look bad. (I know that sounds silly but it's quite true)tagyhag

... I'm not stupid, I'm slow. :|

no, the kiddy-themed characters in kingdom hearts just don't do it for me, champ sorry.

Mass Effect features a far more mature plot with more intelligent elements and complex characters. the dialogue in kH was made to cater to a rated E audience, there's no depth there.

Mass Effect overall has a universe with 10x more depth and atmosphere than some incompetentlymade JRPG, sorry.

i'm sure my 6 year old cousin can agree with you though!

what happens if ME2 gets GOTY during this thread? Its just about 12/24 here EST. FastEddie2121

no, the kiddy-themed characters in kingdom hearts just don't do it for me, champ sorry.

Mass Effect features a far more mature plot with more intelligent elements and complex characters. the dialogue in kH was made to cater to a rated E audience, there's no depth there.

Mass Effect overall has a universe with 10x more depth and atmosphere than some incompetentlymade JRPG, sorry.

i'm sure my 6 year old cousin can agree with you though!

Dead-Memories

Probably miss a lot of fun. Anyway I haven't played Mass Effect 2 beside the demo, but I find Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, and Birth by Sleep to have nice gameplay with some depth with the card, panel, and command deck system. KHII, not so much.

Probably miss a lot of fun. Anyway I haven't played Mass Effect 2 beside the demo, but I find Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, and Birth by Sleep to have nice gameplay with some depth with the card, panel, and command deck system. KHII, not so much.

Wanderer5

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

no, the kiddy-themed characters in kingdom hearts just don't do it for me, champ sorry.

Mass Effect features a far more mature plot with more intelligent elements and complex characters. the dialogue in kH was made to cater to a rated E audience, there's no depth there.

Mass Effect overall has a universe with 10x more depth and atmosphere than some incompetentlymade JRPG, sorry.

i'm sure my 6 year old cousin can agree with you though!

AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

Probably miss a lot of fun. Anyway I haven't played Mass Effect 2 beside the demo, but I find Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, and Birth by Sleep to have nice gameplay with some depth with the card, panel, and command deck system. KHII, not so much.

SilverChimera

Kingdom Hearts is leaps and bounds above ME2 easily. How ME2 is called a 'RPG' is beyond me.Ringx55

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Btw, I was completely underwhelmed by the mass effect 2 demo. These characters were referencing like 10+ characters and plot points that I had know idea what's going on. The shooting was shoddy, And I saw a fair bit of screen tearing. I am not impressed.

Unless that demo was an old build, and they plan on explaining the whole plot of ME 1 in depth, then I'm going to pass. Seems like a franchise you just have to play the first one to get into it.

I can't play the first one. I don't want to watch youtube vids, i want to play the first one, then continue with that exact character I used in ME 1. It's no big deal, There's plenty of games coming out in 2011.

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

Dead-Memories

Sadly, you're probably right.

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

jg4xchamp

Hell yeah. I was obsessed with that movie as a kid. And I still find it to be awesome even as an adult.

The second one was all right, but it didn't feel epic enough.

Ugh, I used the word epic. :(

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

GreySeal9

Hell yeah. I was obsessed with that movie as a kid. And I still find it to be awesome even as an adult.

The second one was all right, but it didn't feel epic enough.

Ugh, I used the word epic. :(

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

GreySeal9

Hell yeah. I was obsessed with that movie as a kid. And I still find it to be awesome even as an adult.

The second one was all right, but it didn't feel epic enough.

Ugh, I used the word epic. :(

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

no, the kiddy-themed characters in kingdom hearts just don't do it for me, champ sorry.

Mass Effect features a far more mature plot with more intelligent elements and complex characters. the dialogue in kH was made to cater to a rated E audience, there's no depth there.

Mass Effect overall has a universe with 10x more depth and atmosphere than some incompetentlymade JRPG, sorry.

i'm sure my 6 year old cousin can agree with you though!

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

jg4xchamp

Kimba The White Lion>>>The Lion King...

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] This is how I pretty much feel. And lol at the "generic space marines storyline in ME." What did KH have? Oh yeah, generic whiney, spikey haired, anime characters.spookykid143

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

SilverChimera

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

Actually, what you're talking about is the combat, which in the case of ME2 is only a portion of the total gameplay experience. Unlike in other shooter titles where the combat comprises almost the entirety of the gameplay, with ME2 there is so much more. From the customization, to levelling up, and most importantly player driven interaction with the world around you. It's not just static prescripted cinematics, but you determine how you approach each NPC encounter, thus shaping and defining Shepard's role in this universe, according to your perspective.

That is role playing, which isn't necessarily black and white. How Shepard accomplishes his/her ultimate goal is part of what kind of character got involved in the events, and each of the smaller scenes (the various NPC encounters, who you help, who gets taken advantage, etc...) contributes to the greater whole of the story.

Oh and it is definitely new sig time 8) 8) 8)

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

AdobeArtist

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

Actually, what you're talking about is the combat, which in the case of ME2 is only a portion of the total gameplay experience. Unlike in other shooter titles where the combat comprises almost the entirety of the gameplay, with ME2 there is so much more. From the customization, to levelling up, and most importantly player driven interaction with the world around you. It's not just static prescripted cinematics, but you determine how you approach each NPC encounter, thus shaping and defining Shepard's role in this universe, according to your perspective.

That is role playing, which isn't necessarily black and white. How Shepard accomplishes his/her ultimate goal is part of what kind of character got involved in the events, and each of the smaller scenes (the various NPC encounters, who you help, who gets taken advantage, etc...) contributes to the greater whole of the story.

Oh and it is definitely new sig time 8) 8) 8)

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

AdobeArtist

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

Actually, what you're talking about is the combat, which in the case of ME2 is only a portion of the total gameplay experience. Unlike in other shooter titles where the combat comprises almost the entirety of the gameplay, with ME2 there is so much more. From the customization, to levelling up, and most importantly player driven interaction with the world around you. It's not just static prescripted cinematics, but you determine how you approach each NPC encounter, thus shaping and defining Shepard's role in this universe, according to your perspective.

That is role playing, which isn't necessarily black and white. How Shepard accomplishes his/her ultimate goal is part of what kind of character got involved in the events, and each of the smaller scenes (the various NPC encounters, who you help, who gets taken advantage, etc...) contributes to the greater whole of the story.

Oh and it is definitely new sig time 8) 8) 8)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] So true. The Lion King>Videogames. Dead-Memories

Hell yeah. I was obsessed with that movie as a kid. And I still find it to be awesome even as an adult.

The second one was all right, but it didn't feel epic enough.

Ugh, I used the word epic. :(

I agree completely. I've actually seen somebody analyze (on another site)The Lion King through a quasi-Marxist lens and the analysis actually made sense and wasn't forced at all. I wish I could find the post.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

AdobeArtist

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

Actually, what you're talking about is the combat, which in the case of ME2 is only a portion of the total gameplay experience. Unlike in other shooter titles where the combat comprises almost the entirety of the gameplay, with ME2 there is so much more. From the customization, to levelling up, and most importantly player driven interaction with the world around you. It's not just static prescripted cinematics, but you determine how you approach each NPC encounter, thus shaping and defining Shepard's role in this universe, according to your perspective.

That is role playing, which isn't necessarily black and white. How Shepard accomplishes his/her ultimate goal is part of what kind of character got involved in the events, and each of the smaller scenes (the various NPC encounters, who you help, who gets taken advantage, etc...) contributes to the greater whole of the story.

Oh and it is definitely new sig time 8) 8) 8)

The Lion King is the best thing ever. True story.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I haven't played Mass Effect, but Kingdom Hearts is not that good. There is nothing about it that is deep. It has mashey combat and typical stock anime characters who don't actually deserve to be in a game with legendaryDisney characters.

Kahuna_1

Kimba The White Lion>>>The Lion King...

The Lion King is the best thing ever. True story.

psn8214

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] So true. The Lion King>Videogames. jg4xchamp

Kimba The White Lion>>>The Lion King...

Yeah...no :|. But I think we will both agree that Kimba>=Simba>>>>>Shepard. They dont need 3 games to take care of business.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Kimba The White Lion>>>The Lion King...

Kahuna_1

Yeah...no :|. But I think we will both agree that Kimba>=Simba>>>>>Shepard. They dont need 3 games to take care of business.

I'm going to have to agree somewhat.

From what I have played of Mass Effect 2, the dialogue choices aren't as incredible as everyone makes it out to be, and I honestly see nothing RPG about it.

IMHO the game plays like a mediocre TPS and the gun play isn't really that fun.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Ah-haaa, so Mass Effect 2 rightfully claimed it's title as RPG of the year, and not just here but on several other sites as well, and what do ya know...

the avalanche of predictable damage control based on that beat out drum, "buh-buh-but it's not even an RPG". And yet people are complaining that games with predefined and prescripted characters, where you as the player can in no way shape the personality and other character traits are more of a role playing game than ME2. This has actually gotten more played out than Halo being "overrated".

face it, when numerous sites are giving this game recognition not as a shooter, but an RPG, it's because they aren't blinded by 20 year outdated standards.

ME2 is the ROLE PLAYING GAME of the YEAR!! DEAL WITH IT!! :)

AdobeArtist

I think the major problem here is that Mass Effect's gameplay, the sole factor in determining what genre a game is, very closely resembles that of a third person shooter.

As for the choices in Mass Effect, you can't shape your character with detail. It's generally very black and white. After all, you have to save the galaxy. Not so many choices there, are there? :(

Actually, what you're talking about is the combat, which in the case of ME2 is only a portion of the total gameplay experience. Unlike in other shooter titles where the combat comprises almost the entirety of the gameplay, with ME2 there is so much more. From the customization, to levelling up, and most importantly player driven interaction with the world around you. It's not just static prescripted cinematics, but you determine how you approach each NPC encounter, thus shaping and defining Shepard's role in this universe, according to your perspective.

That is role playing, which isn't necessarily black and white. How Shepard accomplishes his/her ultimate goal is part of what kind of character got involved in the events, and each of the smaller scenes (the various NPC encounters, who you help, who gets taken advantage, etc...) contributes to the greater whole of the story.

Oh and it is definitely new sig time 8) 8) 8)

You don't really control much in the conversations. Only Shepard's tone. Either way, the results aren't drastically different except for a few choices, but they still dont change up the plot that much.

Oh, and nice sig! :)

I say this toungue in cheek:

Absolutely agree OP, never played the game, but almost everything is more RPG than the abomination that is ME2.

No game has dumbed down more than that tripe, it replaced Oblivion in my list of "all time fails" to live up to the predecessor.