Kingdom Hearts is more of an RPG than Mass Effect 2

Whether it is more of an RPG or it isn't, Kingdom Hearts is still for babies. Look at their characters, they are not suppose to appeal to us above age 10. DiamondzR4ever

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]Very true the characters carry that game same for ME2.

spookykid143

Whether it is more of an RPG or it isn't, Kingdom Hearts is still for babies. Look at their characters, they are not suppose to appeal to us above age 10. DiamondzR4ever

[QUOTE="DiamondzR4ever"]Whether it is more of an RPG or it isn't, Kingdom Hearts is still for babies. Look at their characters, they are not suppose to appeal to us above age 10. spookykid143

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="DiamondzR4ever"]Whether it is more of an RPG or it isn't, Kingdom Hearts is still for babies. Look at their characters, they are not suppose to appeal to us above age 10. DiamondzR4ever

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] uncharted 2 had only a couple characters with well scripted and voiced diaoluge, the story was predictable and really had VERY little depth. just take a look at the main villain. :lol: Slashkice

Mass Effect 2 is the same.

Not only is KH is the better RPG, it has a better story with deep engaging characters as opposed to mass effects run of the mill sci-fi plot. I mean space marines saving the galaxy from an alien?Ragnarok1051

Pretty sure the same thing has been said here a dozen times already but...

Spiky haired kid saving the world from a magical force of darkness? That's original.

Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGSolid_Tango

What makes an RPG?

Kingdom Hearts....deep? Really?? More like convoluted. The first one had a decent story, but they ruined it in part 2 when they added a bunch of duplicate characters and a bunch of nobodies. There's Sora, the main character, and then you have Sora's nobody and the person who 'awakened' Sora. Basically, you have a bunch of characters that are the same person. The same applies to the main villian, Kairi, Riku, etc.

Organization XIII have no character development at all aside from Roxas and Axel. They look somewhat cooler than every other character you've encountered in the game so far, but remove the robes and all you get is a nobody. No personality at all. I found it funny how many of the Organization member's profile had like one or two sentences in their bio. lol. Oh, and nobodies, the main enemies in KHII, aren't suppose to have feelings or w/e, but then you encounter nobodies that have feelings. WTF is going on??

Lastly, the script is awful. Every minute, someone is spewing "light" or "darkness."

Whether it is more of an RPG or it isn't, Kingdom Hearts is still for babies. Look at their characters, they are not suppose to appeal to us above age 10. DiamondzR4ever

Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGSolid_Tango

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] whoa whoa, what? were you just born in the 2000's?

full_disclosure

Not only is KH is the better RPG, it has a better story with deep engaging characters as opposed to mass effects run of the mill sci-fi plot. I mean space marines saving the galaxy from an alien? How creative. KH features disney's characters in an original and interesting adventure. Not only that but combat and customization wise, KH>ME, and that's really sad considering KH is a JRPG and ME being a WRPG. Bioware complains about japanese developers then made a game exactly like them with some largely pointless dialogue options and almost no character customization. In terms of combat KH has gameplay like an action RPG (emphasis on RPG) while ME plays like an inferior gears of war. Not only is ME's shooting unsatisfying, the powers you wield are on such long cooldowns they don't make too much of a difference. Further more in KH you gain abilities while you level up, however in ME you simply gain points to put in one of those 5 super choices they give you or get from your squad mates via one of their boring side missions. Even the enemies and characters of the KH universe > Mass effect. The only good character from that series is mordin and everyone else just fits into a social stereotype. The universe of Mass Effect is also pretty bland, as opposed to the many amazing and diverse locations of KH, I definitely see why GS didn't even nominate ME for the best atmosphere award, not only that but if ME was so good why didn't it even win best 360 game? So SW do you agree?

Ragnarok1051

It has a better story with deep engaging charcters as opposed to mass effects run of the mill sci-fi plot :lol: its painfully clear you have not played mass effect . I will give points for bravery though it takes guts to make wild and incendiary comments such as these8)

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGAdobeArtist

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

[QUOTE="DiamondzR4ever"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]I doubt you even played the game

OmegaPillow

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGDarkLink77

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

Mayhap I not protesteth enough. For verily doth the vile miscreants run afoul of misinformation upon thy ears. And in this rueful plot are the seeds of discontent planted as weed encroach upon our garden of thy role playing. For is it not.... ah hell its unbelieveably LATE and thy brain ceases to function... shutting off now

:P:P

Mayhap I not protesteth enough. For verily doth the vile miscreants run afoul of misinformation upon thy ears. And in this rueful plot are the seeds of discontent planted as weed encroach upon our garden of thy role playing. For is it not.... ah hell its unbelieveably LATE and thy brain ceases to function... shutting off now

:P:P

AdobeArtist

Hell, find me a character that's as awesome as Mordin... you can't. :P

Stevo_the_gamer

As much as I love BioWare's games, I can answer your challenge - Kalkstein from The Witcher EE.:lol:

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Hell, find me a character that's as awesome as Mordin... you can't. :P

topsemag55

As much as I love BioWare's games, I can answer your challenge - Kalkstein from The Witcher EE.:lol:

Barry Wheeler (Alan Wake) trumps thm both. Though he's not from an RPG game, but still his awesomeness is undeniable :D

Not only is KH is the better RPG, it has a better story...

Ragnarok1051

Stopped reading right there...

Gummi Ship > Normandy

Barry Wheeler (Alan Wake) trumps thm both. Though he's not from an RPG game, but still his awesomeness is undeniable :D

AdobeArtist

It's Joe Pecsi in a bubble coat, I hated that guy!

I wouldn't agree with that at all. Kindom Hearts is an amazing franchise though, but not more of a RPG than ME2 . Maybe more of a RPG than FFXIII!

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Hell, find me a character that's as awesome as Mordin... you can't. :P

AdobeArtist

As much as I love BioWare's games, I can answer your challenge - Kalkstein from The Witcher EE.:lol:

Barry Wheeler (Alan Wake) trumps thm both. Though he's not from an RPG game, but still his awesomeness is undeniable :D

This thread again.

Man I love this thread. :3

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGAdobeArtist

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

Btw, I was completely underwhelmed by the mass effect 2 demo. These characters were referencing like 10+ characters and plot points that I had know idea what's going on. The shooting was shoddy, And I saw a fair bit of screen tearing. I am not impressed.

Unless that demo was an old build, and they plan on explaining the whole plot of ME 1 in depth, then I'm going to pass. Seems like a franchise you just have to play the first one to get into it.

theuncharted34

Not only is KH is the better RPG, it has a better story with deep engaging characters as opposed to mass effects run of the mill sci-fi plot. I mean space marines saving the galaxy from an alien? How creative. KH features disney's characters in an original and interesting adventure. Not only that but combat and customization wise, KH>ME, and that's really sad considering KH is a JRPG and ME being a WRPG. Bioware complains about japanese developers then made a game exactly like them with some largely pointless dialogue options and almost no character customization. In terms of combat KH has gameplay like an action RPG (emphasis on RPG) while ME plays like an inferior gears of war. Not only is ME's shooting unsatisfying, the powers you wield are on such long cooldowns they don't make too much of a difference. Further more in KH you gain abilities while you level up, however in ME you simply gain points to put in one of those 5 super choices they give you or get from your squad mates via one of their boring side missions. Even the enemies and characters of the KH universe > Mass effect. The only good character from that series is mordin and everyone else just fits into a social stereotype. The universe of Mass Effect is also pretty bland, as opposed to the many amazing and diverse locations of KH, I definitely see why GS didn't even nominate ME for the best atmosphere award, not only that but if ME was so good why didn't it even win best 360 game? So SW do you agree?

Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]Lol @ Mass Effect 2 an RPG Mass effect 2 is an action game that lets you control some dialogue and thats it. Its no near an RPGantifanboyftw

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

Do you have that interaction with the world and populace around you in Black Ops? Did you happen to notice what I bolded in my post? ;) RPG isn't just stats and cIasses alone. It isn't just interactive choices (heavy rain lets you make choices). It's BOTH of them together, which is what the original PnP RPGs encompassed. So no, ME2 isn' a shooter with "RPG elements tacked on". It's an actual role playing game, whereas COD (or even Halo, KZ, Resistance, and Half Life for that matter) which lacks that role playing element of character interaction, so they're just shooters. Do you see the difference now?

Don't you deny what ME2 actually is ;)

There are countless games out there that perform better Role Playing than ME2. To argue that ME2 is the best RPG is like arguing Halo is the best racing sim since you can drive vehicles in it.

There are countless games out there that perform better Role Playing than ME2. To argue that ME2 is the best RPG is like arguing Halo is the best racing sim since you can drive vehicles in it.

SpinoRaptor24

This thread isn't about whether or not ME2 is "THE BEST RPG IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!". That's Heil's thread somewhere else on the boards. Qualatative arguments can be made just about any game of any given genre.

This is about the argument that KH is "more of an RPG" than ME2. An erroneous notion since KH has no actual role playing. And it's fairly obvious this thread was made out of rage for ME2 winning RPG of 2010. An award so justly deserved :):):):):):)

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

There are countless games out there that perform better Role Playing than ME2. To argue that ME2 is the best RPG is like arguing Halo is the best racing sim since you can drive vehicles in it.

AdobeArtist

This thread isn't about whether or not ME2 is "THE BEST RPG IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!". That's Heil's thread somewhere else on the boards. Qualatative arguments can be made just about any game of any given genre.

This is about the argument that KH is "more of an RPG" than ME2. An erroneous notion since KH has no actual role playing. And it's fairly obvious this thread was made out of rage for ME2 winning RPG of 2010. An award so justly deserved :):):):):):)

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

There are countless games out there that perform better Role Playing than ME2. To argue that ME2 is the best RPG is like arguing Halo is the best racing sim since you can drive vehicles in it.

This thread isn't about whether or not ME2 is "THE BEST RPG IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!". That's Heil's thread somewhere else on the boards. Qualatative arguments can be made just about any game of any given genre.

This is about the argument that KH is "more of an RPG" than ME2. An erroneous notion since KH has no actual role playing. And it's fairly obvious this thread was made out of rage for ME2 winning RPG of 2010. An award so justly deserved :):):):):):)

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

This thread isn't about whether or not ME2 is "THE BEST RPG IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!". That's Heil's thread somewhere else on the boards. Qualatative arguments can be made just about any game of any given genre.

This is about the argument that KH is "more of an RPG" than ME2. An erroneous notion since KH has no actual role playing. And it's fairly obvious this thread was made out of rage for ME2 winning RPG of 2010. An award so justly deserved :):):):):):)

dreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]How does KH have no actual Role playing?

spookykid143

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

So you basically don't get that the conversation is the gameplay component of your interaction with the world around you. That is the essense of role playing. Oh and ME2 aside from the shooting action still has character management with the stats, levels, gear upgrading, and cIass customization of skill trees.

So once you put all that together, a total package not seen in GeoW, Halo, KZ, Vanquish, or Bioshock, guess what you got? If you still said action/shooter, you just got an F in cIass ;)

Do you have that interaction with the world and populace around you in Black Ops? Did you happen to notice what I bolded in my post? ;) RPG isn't just stats and cIasses alone. It isn't just interactive choices (heavy rain lets you make choices). It's BOTH of them together, which is what the original PnP RPGs encompassed. So no, ME2 isn' a shooter with "RPG elements tacked on". It's an actual role playing game, whereas COD (or even Halo, KZ, Resistance, and Half Life for that matter) which lacks that role playing element of character interaction, so they're just shooters. Do you see the difference now?

Don't you deny what ME2 actually is ;)

there is just as much managing classes and upgrades in black ops as there is in mass effect 2. its a TPS.with RPG elements. leave it at that. Its a great game, but don't deny what it is.antifanboyftw

Do you have that interaction with the world and populace around you in Black Ops? Did you happen to notice what I bolded in my post? ;) RPG isn't just stats and cIasses alone. It isn't just interactive choices (heavy rain lets you make choices). It's BOTH of them together, which is what the original PnP RPGs encompassed. So no, ME2 isn' a shooter with "RPG elements tacked on". It's an actual role playing game, whereas COD (or even Halo, KZ, Resistance, and Half Life for that matter) which lacks that role playing element of character interaction, so they're just shooters. Do you see the difference now?

Don't you deny what ME2 actually is ;)

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] there is just as much managing classes and upgrades in black ops as there is in mass effect 2. its a TPS.with RPG elements. leave it at that. Its a great game, but don't deny what it is.antifanboyftw

Do you have that interaction with the world and populace around you in Black Ops? Did you happen to notice what I bolded in my post? ;) RPG isn't just stats and cIasses alone. It isn't just interactive choices (heavy rain lets you make choices). It's BOTH of them together, which is what the original PnP RPGs encompassed. So no, ME2 isn' a shooter with "RPG elements tacked on". It's an actual role playing game, whereas COD (or even Halo, KZ, Resistance, and Half Life for that matter) which lacks that role playing element of character interaction, so they're just shooters. Do you see the difference now?

Don't you deny what ME2 actually is ;)

But again, that's where you're wrong. In games like Halo, Killzone, COD, Battlefield, Resistance, and so forth, yes the gameply experience is cntered entirely around the shooting.

ME2's combat is centered around shooting, but the unlike those other titles, the combat alone does NOT encompass the entire gameplay experience. There's also the questing and that interaction I described. And it's not just a feature, it's an integral part of the gameplay which drives the story and character development. Without that player's involvement with the people and events, the story does not progress. It's an entire gameplay element that has nothing to do with combat at all.

That's the role playing. Sure some shooters have an equipment upgrading and cIass sytem, but do they have this as world interaction as part of their gameplay? By which I mean plyer driven interaction, not static and prescripted cut scenes.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

There are countless games out there that perform better Role Playing than ME2. To argue that ME2 is the best RPG is like arguing Halo is the best racing sim since you can drive vehicles in it.

AdobeArtist

This thread isn't about whether or not ME2 is "THE BEST RPG IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!". That's Heil's thread somewhere else on the boards. Qualatative arguments can be made just about any game of any given genre.

This is about the argument that KH is "more of an RPG" than ME2. An erroneous notion since KH has no actual role playing. And it's fairly obvious this thread was made out of rage for ME2 winning RPG of 2010. An award so justly deserved :):):):):):)

Well, I've played the original KH and I'd have to say, "No". Good game, but definitely not as deep or as enjoyable as ME2. ME2 is a more complex game as well. Both are worth owning. ME2 RPG style is of course different then KH.

And it's not just a feature, it's an integral part of the gameplay which drives the story and character development. Without that player's involvement with the people and events, the story does not progress. It's an entire gameplay element that has nothing to do with combat at all.AdobeArtist

Why are people fighting so hard to convince us that ME2 isn't a shooter? Is it because there's a stigma against shooters or something? By that train of logic, call of duty is a RPG, since you level up and get new gear and such.

Why are people fighting so hard to convince us that ME2 isn't a shooter? Is it because there's a stigma against shooters or something? By that train of logic, call of duty is a RPG, since you level up and get new gear and such.

Espada12

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]And it's not just a feature, it's an integral part of the gameplay which drives the story and character development. Without that player's involvement with the people and events, the story does not progress. It's an entire gameplay element that has nothing to do with combat at all.foxhound_fox