Kojima: MGS4 is the BEST, THE END

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#1 Couth_
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This is from Kojima's latest blog. It seems people misenterpreted what Kojima meant when he said he wasn't satisfied with MGS4, or whatever it was. There is an interesting reason behind that, in it puts whoever downplayed MGS4 to some shame, it's pretty sad. (translated, so it might not be 100% correct)

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=mgs&thread.id=300014&view=by_date_ascending&page=1


I hate to say this myself, but i am a Japanese man, so i try to be modest, or even more. i dont wish to brag about it to say "OH I AM THE MGS4 GUY (it's true, he doesn't)" or to say "THIS IS THE BEST ONE", just like how AMERICANS brag stuff like this [i was a bit mad on this part...but then again, it is true...right?] i do enjoy myself, but in my mind i still think insufficient of myself. that's why i interview in Japanese, and SAI (translator) translates my side of the inteviews very well in English. Because the WEST does not heavily carry the idea of MODESTY, i am getting criticized in the magazines/blogs. in conclusion, on my recent comment about my disappointment with MGS4, the comments derived from "MGS4, inside the biggest PS3 Game" to "Hideo disappointed with MGS4" it was translated compeltely translated wrong due to cultural differences. There are several comments that is like the disappointment articles, like the one that says "Hideo think PS3 can't not handle the GAME" or "the 50GB Blu-ray is simply not enough." it's funny how others think "did Hideo really say that?" then ask me, and my answer is obviously "NO" but then...i guess i am responsible for all of the articles...

from now one, i will say what i plan to say

for example, let's say this dveloper is making a new kind of a car. he claims that this can FLY. now there is no stop when you say "there is a car that can fly." When you claim that it can fly, the speculation grows from "oh so it can FLY?!!!" and the developer would set his goals higher. the specualtion is that if the car flies, then it should reach a MACH speed...but it doesnt stop there...it'd go beyond the specualtion of then "it sholuld go into space!" with all the excitement around, the developer would go deeply into making the car going into space...however, he'll come up to the public and say the car reaches the MACH speed, but it fails to go into the space. but he shouldnt give up, because for a car to even reach a mach speed and go into air is revolutionary. i wished to trasnfer my thoughts like such, but i guess it didnt work very well

the next time i interview in America, i will just say "MGS4 is the BEST, THE END" it is shameful for a japanese man to speak so blatantly, but if i dont, things like this [above] can happen...MGS4 isnt exactly MY proerty, so i dont have a TOTAL control over it and sometimes i get confused with it. some may be disappointed the way i say things, but i do release the game with confidence. in fact that what i have been doing, not just this ps3 game, but my previous ps2 titles. i always reached for the higher goal and i try to go for it. even in my company, im learning a lot about media training, but i wanted to do more than just that and here i am with the interview. but this [like the incidents above] wont stop me from doing moer interviews, i mean its not like interviews have ratings. i wont QUIT!Kojima

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#2 thrones
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Poor cultural differences :(

I mean, it is true. Japanese people are so damn polite...

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#3 chazasul
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MGS4 is the BEST, THE FURY.
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#4 iamright05
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kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

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#5 thrones
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MGS4 is the BEST, THE FURY.chazasul

This made me lol.

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#6 6matt6
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i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.
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#7 thrones
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kojima is racist towards americans am confirmed

iamright05

*shrug* Or cultural differences, it is true Americans (and the western world) are more prone to tooting their own horns than the Japanese.

Look at Mark Rein or Cliffy B.

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#8 Couth_
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i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.6matt6
The proof is in the pudding. Did you see the boards when those comments came out? Lemmings where on full bashing mode. When he obviously didn't mean what was translated..
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#9 Nike_Air
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Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

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[QUOTE="6matt6"]i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.Couth_
The proof is in the pudding. Did you see the boards when those comments came out? Lemmings where on full bashing mode. When he obviously didn't mean what was translated..

i dont see how the lemmings can be blamed when the gaming media mis-quoted kojima.

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#11 The-Big-Easy
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Where are all the Lems now??? This game will be epic.
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#12 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="6matt6"]i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.6matt6

The proof is in the pudding. Did you see the boards when those comments came out? Lemmings where on full bashing mode. When he obviously didn't mean what was translated..

i dont see how the lemmings can be blamed when the gaming media mis-quoted kojima.

They didn't misquote him. But there are cultural differences in what was said. Saying one thing in Japan, means a completely different thing in America. He was honest with what he said, there are just cultural differences. You honestly think Cliffy B or Mark Rein, or Peter M or whoever else are 100% happy with their games? No, theres always room for improvement. But they would never say that, they praise their games til the end. It's a different story with Japanese devs
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#13 kostmpekir
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At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

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#14 Miss_Wacy
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tyus MGS 4 will be a amazing game and fanboys will be in full bashing mode when it comes out, pretty much happens wenever a big title comes

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#15 lawlessx
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what took him so long to respond? It's far too late to take back anything that was said.
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#16 Chutebox
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Well, the guy is right. There is no such thing as modesty in America unfortunately.
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#17 Couth_
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what took him so long to respond? It's far too late to take back anything that was said.lawlessx
Maybe the fact that he's in a different hemisphere, it took a while for the news of the reception of his quote took a while to get back to him.
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#18 Chutebox
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At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

kostmpekir

Maybe you need to read what he actually said.

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#19 thrones
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At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

kostmpekir

Or because the japanese are really nice people? I know one, and he's always super polite :D

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#20 EuroMafia
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I like how he stereotypes. Also, what was hard to understand about what he said before? He said he was disapointed with the power of PS3 (overhyped teh cell!!!), but it will still be good.
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Im all for hearing less about and from Kojima, but he's right. We're so used to developers telling us their game is a gift from God, that anything less ridiculous is a cause for alarm. It's stupid, really.

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[QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="6matt6"]i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.Couth_

The proof is in the pudding. Did you see the boards when those comments came out? Lemmings where on full bashing mode. When he obviously didn't mean what was translated..

i dont see how the lemmings can be blamed when the gaming media mis-quoted kojima.

They didn't misquote him. But there are cultural differences in what was said. Saying one thing in Japan, means a completely different thing in America. He was honest with what he said, there are just cultural differences. You honestly think Cliffy B or Mark Rein, or Peter M or whoever else are 100% happy with their games? No, theres always room for improvement. But they would never say that, they praise their games til the end. It's a different story with Japanese devs

or maybe someone just misunderstood him he said after it was translated in English.

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#23 Foxhound_spy
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Whatever he said MGS4 wil be awesome no matter what haters said....

Anyway Japanese peoples always the best in whatever they making.....I`ve been in the Japan not too long ago and I thinkig Japan are the most advance country in the world.......

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#24 Couth_
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Im all for hearing less about and from Kojima, but he's right. We're so used to developers telling us their game is a gift from God, that anything less ridiculous is a cause for alarm. It's stupid, really.

Tsug_Ze_Wind
That's right. I think everyone would rather have a dev be modest and deliver an amazing game, than have a dev call his game the greatest ever and be dissapointed because it wasn't
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#25 6matt6
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Im all for hearing less about and from Kojima, but he's right. We're so used to developers telling us their game is a gift from God, that anything less ridiculous is a cause for alarm. It's stupid, really.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

why would devs tell people their game isn't good?

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#26 Delsage
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Well I think this changes a lot in context of what he said. I knew from the beginning he didn't mean what he said and that it was probably a misquote, or a mistranslation.

The Japanese are modest and not like some Americans who say "YEAH WE MADE THE BEST GAME EVAAAA10101101!!!". Personally I think Square is one of the best developers and they Never brag.

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#27 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

Im all for hearing less about and from Kojima, but he's right. We're so used to developers telling us their game is a gift from God, that anything less ridiculous is a cause for alarm. It's stupid, really.

6matt6

why would devs tell people their game isn't good?

They wouldn't. But overhyping is worse.

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#28 colmusterd28
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Where are all the Lems now??? This game will be epic.The-Big-Easy

Im thinking 8.5

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#29 DarkCloud79
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At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

kostmpekir

I don't see a "contadiction" here, only funny that he talks about MGS2 now.:P

But really, people like you it's the reason he made this comment, shame he can't change mentalities.

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#30 Cute_Red_Panda
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what took him so long to respond? It's far too late to take back anything that was said.lawlessx

When should he have responded? Where is the rule book on "response time" on misinterpertation? He shouldn't even gave a rebuttle, just let the game speak for it self. Who are you, kid, to question his thoughts? Take back? Such a childish thing to say.

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#31 thrones
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I like how he stereotypes. Also, what was hard to understand about what he said before? He said he was disapointed with the power of PS3 (overhyped teh cell!!!), but it will still be good.EuroMafia

It was more how the entire gaming media and fanboys spun it into PS3 + MGS4 is the suxxors.

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[QUOTE="The-Big-Easy"]Where are all the Lems now??? This game will be epic.colmusterd28

Im thinking 8.5

I knew you would crawl out and say something like that. By the way you just quoted yourself as being a lemming. So you finally are out of denial and into the acceptance stage, Congrats! :D

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#33 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]what took him so long to respond? It's far too late to take back anything that was said.Cute_Red_Panda

When should he have responded? Where is the rule book on "response time" on misinterpertation? He shouldn't even gave a rebuttle, just let the game speak for it self. Who are you, kid, to question his thoughts? Take back? Such a childish thing to say.

had to throw in the "kid" to make yourself feel better did you :roll:

the longer you wait to respond to something you said or did..the more reason for me to not fully believe in you're response.

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#34 f50p90
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[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="The-Big-Easy"]Where are all the Lems now??? This game will be epic.Delsage

Im thinking 8.5

I knew you would crawl out and say something like that. By the way you just quoted yourself as being a lemming. So you finally are out of denial and into the acceptance stage, Congrats! :D

Not to mention a Lemming without a system to play. How is that "Just Wait" for your system to return from M$ going
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#35 legol1
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i think nintendo have a better understanding of the western market because reggie fils aime do a great job when he says the wii is kicking arse but at the end the proof is in the pudding and if mgs4 is a awesome game kojima is a genius and if it suck it will be is own failure the end.
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[QUOTE="kostmpekir"]

At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

Chutebox

Maybe you need to read what he actually said.

yeah, he never meant what he said to mean that the game was bad, he was just being modest. Japanese people are very poilte. and what he says it true, in the western world companies are so keen to say that what they make is the best.

Becaue of those differences what he says in Japanese is just seen as being poite bt here everyone has taken him literally and says the game is bad, which is not what he meant.

I am glad i read TC's post, like many I thought he meant what he said, but now I realise its just that what he says had a slightly different meaning to what we have all seen it to have.

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#37 swade
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kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

iamright05

Americans are not a race....

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[QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans am confirmed

thrones

*shrug* Or cultural differences, it is true Americans (and the western world) are more prone to tooting their own horns than the Japanese.

Look at Mark Rein or Cliffy B.

Totally agreed, notice how Microsoft and EPIC are the people who release statements bashing Sony and Nintendo. Want to know why? Because Sony and Nintendo are just sitting their laughing at how immature and disrespectful they are. They've both been in the business longer (and in Nintys case, much longer) than Microsoft and for them to say things like, oh you don't know what you're doing this generation, is ridiculous.

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#39 FF6fan
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[QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

swade

Americans are not a race....

Well some americans believe it so and also that american is a language also.
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#40 Cute_Red_Panda
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[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]what took him so long to respond? It's far too late to take back anything that was said.lawlessx

When should he have responded? Where is the rule book on "response time" on misinterpertation? He shouldn't even gave a rebuttle, just let the game speak for it self. Who are you, kid, to question his thoughts? Take back? Such a childish thing to say.

had to throw in the "kid" to make yourself feel better did you :roll:

the longer you wait to respond to something you said or did..the more reason for me to not fully believe in you're response.

No, I didn't just throw it in there. Do you really think Kojima is disappointent in his own game? You don't think it's reasonable to assume that he was busy to give a respond? After all the badly translated comment ( As Kojima put it) was no more than three weeks ago.

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#41 hayato_
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From the interveiw I think more developers should be like him. I never heard a game developer so modest in an interveiw. The things he said makes sense so much and will and should inspire another generation for years to come. He takes one of the most wanted games this gen and says he wants to make another game thats even better than this one. He will probably use the ideas that he couldn't "fit" in MGS4 for another game is what hes trying to hint at.

I think Zone of the Enders 3 is in the works,don't you?;)

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#42 StealthSting
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Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

Nike_Air

:lol:

If anything, what this thread has emphasized is my distaste towards Kojima's analogies...

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#43 SHuN_G0Ku
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i knew people would misquote him and misunderstood on what he stated about MGS4 and the PS3..

fanboys especially lems misread his statements and then make a huge propaganda out of it...

come to think of it, i don't hear much bashing from Sony or Nintendo and maybe it's just MS talking out of their 455...

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Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)
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#45 Blackfriend8
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i think its good he said what he said it keeps peoples expectations in check. Keeps people from thinking his game will be the next coming of Jesus. Because at some point the hype gets so high its hard to live up to it.
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#46 SHuN_G0Ku
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Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)BioShockOwnz

^A perfect example of a lemming who acts like an error and spreads as a virus in a program^

trojan lemming FTL!

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#47 Mordred19
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kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

iamright05

there it is again, misinterpretation. It's not pride that's bad to them, it's gloating and bragging about one's accomplishments that is bad.

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#48 lolkie_81
Member since 2008 • 2004 Posts

[QUOTE="The-Big-Easy"]Where are all the Lems now??? This game will be epic.colmusterd28

Im thinking 8.5

If that happened this place would explode. Cows wold be owned again. I want this game to be epic, I also would like to see the cows put in there place. These kz2 treads have really made me hate them, the most annoying group on SW

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#49 ChinoJamesKeene
Member since 2003 • 1201 Posts
[QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

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there it is again, misinterpretation. It's not pride that's bad to them, it's gloating and bragging about one's accomplishments that is bad.

It's not just that though, there are alot of things lost in translation between english and Japanese. They can only get so close in alot of cases. So yeah, it's not like the japanese have any problems being proud of things.

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#50 xTHExJUICEx
Member since 2007 • 3126 Posts

Kojima is the man :lol:, you have to be blunt with Americans or we'll come up with every possible interpretation of what he was trying to say.