Kojima: MGS4 is the BEST, THE END

[QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans am confirmed

thrones

*shrug* Or cultural differences, it is true Americans (and the western world) are more prone to tooting their own horns than the Japanese.

Look at Mark Rein or Cliffy B.

*Looks at Peter Moleneux(Lionhead; United Kingdom) and Tomonobu Itagaki(Team Ninja; Japanese)*

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)SHuN_G0Ku

^A perfect example of a lemming who acts like an error and spreads as a virus in a program^

trojan lemming FTL!

is your sarcasm detector broken?

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[QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans am confirmed

thrones

*shrug* Or cultural differences, it is true Americans (and the western world) are more prone to tooting their own horns than the Japanese.

Look at Mark Rein or Cliffy B.

When you say toot your own horn, Cliff or Rein don't immediatly come to my mind. Itagaki does. Just saying.

Kojima is the man :lol:, you have to be blunt with Americans or we'll come up with every possible interpretation of what he was trying to say.

xTHExJUICEx

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)Jacboy71

is your sarcasm detector broken?

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fixed :)

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans am confirmed

After_Math

*shrug* Or cultural differences, it is true Americans (and the western world) are more prone to tooting their own horns than the Japanese.

Look at Mark Rein or Cliffy B.

When you say toot your own horn, Cliff or Rein don't immediatly come to my mind. Itagaki does. Just saying.

Maybe, but I think society in general. There's a societal difference, not insulting anyone. I mean, I'm part of the western world.

I'm not saying Western people can't be extremely modest or Japanese people can't be arrogant but..it's the way they're brought up differently and in different enviroments.

[QUOTE="Jacboy71"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)SHuN_G0Ku

is your sarcasm detector broken?

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fixed :)

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

i'm proud to be an American with an American flag on my uniform everyday but this is just ludicrous... :(

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

SHuN_G0Ku

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="Jacboy71"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima dislikes Americans? :( Well, then we shall boycott his games.8)Unforgiven2870

is your sarcasm detector broken?

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fixed :)

..and that's why i forwarded the question to BSO :lol:

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

i'm proud to be an American with an American flag on my uniform everyday but this is just ludicrous... :(

SHuN_G0Ku

I'm British, and I'm alright with that.

What I'm not alright with though is colonies breaking away and becoming countries.

*shakes fists* :P

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"]

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

i'm proud to be an American with an American flag on my uniform everyday but this is just ludicrous... :(

thrones

I'm British, and I'm alright with that.

What I'm not alright with though is colonies breaking away and becoming countries.

*shakes fists* :P

:lol: haha!... Declaration of Independence FTW!!

What about the part about him calling the PS3 out and saying they were misinformed about its capabilities? His opinion that the game itself could have been better is perfectly understandable because he has very high standards for himself, and that shouldn't be misconstrued as something it isn't, but he *did* criticize the PS3's hardware in the process. Unless they literally translated compeltely different words, then there's no question about it.

He wasn't criticizing MGS4 at all, which is what a lot of people said he was doing, and which caused much of the uproar. That's where things got lost in translation. He was criticizing the PS3 instead, or probably more accurately, the original promise of the PS3. He felt he could have made an even better game had they originally been made aware of what the PS3 truly offers, because they presumably started doing things with MGS4 that they ultimately realized wouldn't be viable.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"]

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

i'm proud to be an American with an American flag on my uniform everyday but this is just ludicrous... :(

SHuN_G0Ku

I'm British, and I'm alright with that.

What I'm not alright with though is colonies breaking away and becoming countries.

*shakes fists* :P

:lol: haha!... Declaration of Independence FTW!!

"NOTICE: this is not a direct translation...i have only translated what i could and only the important stuff

please, no hate! i worked so hard on this, THANKS =]"

After reading that, I already know this thread is a waist of time.

Hopefully someone who can do a direct translation will step up.

Kojima is a media samurai 8)

MGS4 is the best at what?newyorkgiant

Being a stealth game 8)

[QUOTE="newyorkgiant"]MGS4 is the best at what?thrones

Being a stealth game 8)

hmm thats debatable, splinter cell is pretty good for stealth and so is tenchu...

I liked mgs2, but now after playing various ps2 and psp games, i've had enough of mgs games.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="newyorkgiant"]MGS4 is the best at what?newyorkgiant

Being a stealth game 8)

hmm thats debatable, splinter cell is pretty good for stealth and so is tenchu...

I liked mgs2, but now after playing various ps2 and psp games, i've had enough of mgs games.

There's been the same number of MGS games as SC games :|

Anyway, MGS is shifting the focus this time. It's still stealth but in a different context so you'll have to play differently.

Same with Splinter Cell for that matter.

Tenchu...fell down the cracks somewhere.

Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

Nike_Air

yep it's a flop, no turning back now.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

Heydanbud92

yep it's a flop, no turning back now.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

Heydanbud92

yep it's a flop, no turning back now.

Yep, another 7.5 confirmed.

Too late Kojima ...... you said it was awful because of the ps3. Nothing can save this game now.

Nike_Air

*sighs* Here we go again.

Well this really does confirm what I had always stood by when he said that stuff in the other interview.

He is modest, and a perfectionist, I think thats all that can be said - I mean the whole article pretty much translates to that anyway!?

At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

kostmpekir

lol americans do it exclusive? cause thats pretty much what hes saying, but being japanese he wouldn't dare say any thing about his country or his people or other japanese would stop liking him.

And sorry no mgs4 is not the best, it will suck just like 2 and 3 did, kojima stopped having an innovative or talented bone in his body when he used that up for mgs 1.WilliamRLBaker

lulwut? MGS2 was a massive improvement over MGS1 with a new level of story telling, first person camera and generally refined the Metal Gear Solid 1 forumla to a pinpoint, and MGS3 bought several new things to to the table compared to MGS2 such as Stamina, some of the best bossfights, a great story and a new stile of gameplay vs. the enviroment.

Subsistence bought even more changes, such as the improved camera and online player.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is moving the series foward quite a bit as well, with the inclusion of TPS, an open free-form enviroment among other things.

kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

iamright05

American is not a race...

i hate that he has to label attributes based on ethnicity.6matt6

He didn't. He labeled them based on cultural expectations.

lol americans do it exclusive? cause thats pretty much what hes saying, but being japanese he wouldn't dare say any thing about his country or his people or other japanese would stop liking him.

And sorry no mgs4 is not the best, it will suck just like 2 and 3 did, kojima stopped having an innovative or talented bone in his body when he used that up for mgs 1.WilliamRLBaker

..........OH, you were serious? Yup, the game that got GOTY 2001 sucked. Every single MGS game has been a huge innovation and improvement from the first. SELF-OWNAGE.

lol americans do it exclusive? cause thats pretty much what hes saying, but being japanese he wouldn't dare say any thing about his country or his people or other japanese would stop liking him.

And sorry no mgs4 is not the best, it will suck just like 2 and 3 did, kojima stopped having an innovative or talented bone in his body when he used that up for mgs 1.WilliamRLBaker

Im all for hearing less about and from Kojima, but he's right. We're so used to developers telling us their game is a gift from God, that anything less ridiculous is a cause for alarm. It's stupid, really.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

So...he's basing the modesty of Americans based of video game fanboys' accusations and rumors?

That's not very wise of him. He shouldn't be quick to judge like that. Every person is different. Race, culture, religion, while playing a role in influence, certainly aren't the de facto when it comes to how a person should behave. And to claim that all Japanese people are polite?

I'm not impressed by his behavior.

[QUOTE="swade"][QUOTE="iamright05"]

kojima is racist towards americans, and the west am confirmed

how is it shameful as a japenese person to be proud of what you've accomplished. I guess I just don't understand their very very different culture and social system.

FF6fan

Americans are not a race....

Huh?

it can't be any worse than 2. xxastrocreepxx

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"]

now you see where this thread is leading to?...

people are now even misinterpreting on what Kojima stated that he was not disappointed with the game and now we have "Kojima hates Americans"

i'm proud to be an American with an American flag on my uniform everyday but this is just ludicrous... :(

thrones

I'm British, and I'm alright with that.

What I'm not alright with though is colonies breaking away and becoming countries.

*shakes fists* :P

Post of the day.

Sorry Kojima but MGS4 may be good, but prepare to be owned on Tuesday with your best comment. MS have a game called Ninja Blade at the show, people think Banjoe is going to be the talking point, but it's not. Ninja Blade will be. Think Stealth, Matrix, MGS4 beater, and 100 % pure awesome that no one is expecting. It will be GOTY when it's released.

At first

MGS4 is nothing like i expected it to be (= garbage)

Then

MGS2 is the BEST !!!! (= not garbage)

I see a contadiction here ? Maybe he just made a mistake, and does not want it to affect sales of his unfinished, nothing like he expected to be game ?

kostmpekir

No, its just as he says. Americans brag to much, and read things on the fly.

What he meant is that his creation was not what he wanted it to be. As he said in his car example, when you are making something, you picture the result in your head, and you think of something wonderful, and as you accomplish each step, you realise you can add something, and you do so. All this time, you have a misplaced image in your mind of how the final product will end. For example, Kojima wanted an exapansive world, with super realistic graphics. But as he advanced, he was getting stopped, because what he wanted was still not possible due to current technology. Ask an astronaut, and they will tell you that they joined to go to Marth, or farther, but in reality, there is a 90% possibility they wont go.

Kojima just wanted to create something amazing, and he did. But, he is Japanese, and should you know their culture, thing that you dont obviously, you would have known that they are very strict with themselves, and extremely hard working (main reason they have such a big suicide number in their adolescent age). He saw what he made, and it wasnt what he was imagining. So he was dissapointed that he couldnt reach his "goal". He wasnt disapointed at either the PS3 or the game.

So...he's basing the modesty of Americans based of video game fanboys' accusations and rumors?

That's not very wise of him. He shouldn't be quick to judge like that. Every person is different. Race, culture, religion, while playing a role in influence, certainly aren't the de facto when it comes to how a person should behave. And to claim that all Japanese people are polite?

I'm not impressed by his behavior.

DonPerian

Dude lay the **** off, the man's a videogame legend, what he said is true, american jornalism is nasty, so is most of the world's, but I'm sure that these incidents didn't happen over at Japan, all the american game sites went crazy with his last interview, everyone jumps the gun and starts attacking, he's very modest, and he's made some of the best video games ever always with the fan in mind, he hasn't sold out either, he deserves respect.

[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

So...he's basing the modesty of Americans based of video game fanboys' accusations and rumors?

That's not very wise of him. He shouldn't be quick to judge like that. Every person is different. Race, culture, religion, while playing a role in influence, certainly aren't the de facto when it comes to how a person should behave. And to claim that all Japanese people are polite?

I'm not impressed by his behavior.

Eddie-Vedder

Dude lay the **** off, the man's a videogame legend, what he said is true, american jornalism is nasty, so is most of the world's, but I'm sure that these incidents didn't happen over at Japan, all the american game sites went crazy with his last interview, everyone jumps the gun and starts attacking, he's very modest, and he's made some of the best video games ever always with the fan in mind, he hasn't sold out either, he deserves respect.

Sorry Kojima but MGS4 may be good, but prepare to be owned on Tuesday with your best comment. MS have a game called Ninja Blade at the show, people think Banjoe is going to be the talking point, but it's not. Ninja Blade will be. Think Stealth, Matrix, MGS4 beater, and 100 % pure awesome that no one is expecting. It will be GOTY when it's released.

Nick_D7

What do you know about "Ninja Blade" other than the fact that it's an Xbox360 exclusive stealth game? :| Do you see where I'm going with this?