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Microsoft organized a panel with some of the biggest japanese game creators to talk about Project Natal. Metal Gear Solid mastermind Hideo Kojima gave high praise to the technology saying that" we are going to see the same sort of revolution of going from 2D games to 3D games with the move to Natal ".

Here's what Kojima had to say about Project Natal :
"Kojima was absolutely blown away when he saw it. Takahashi claimed that he thought Kojima almost fainted when he saw it"
"Kojima said that he really wanted to be here because he believe in the possibilities of the controller -- he said it has the potential to really change the life****of gamers. he said he wants to use natal in his games, but he's really more excited about seeing how Natal changes the life****habits of gamers"
"Kojima said that Natal is going to raise the bar for game development"
"Kojima said we are going to see the same sort of revolution of going from 2D games to 3D games with the move to Natal"
"Kojima is now talking about how this is going to be a transitional stage -- for example, some gamers might not be able to accept trying to control a driving game with a pretend steering wheel in their hands"
"Kojima said that he wants to do stuff that incorporates all aspects of the Natal -- the camera, the voice, the motion control. He especially loves the face recognition possibilities. he said he would like to make a game kind of like AI"
"Kojima says he would love to use Natal to come out with a completely new game that no one has played before "http://themindchannel.blogspot.com/2009/09/kojima-natal-will-start-revolution.html

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#2 Dibdibdobdobo
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Whos Kojim?! Did some Ko Jimbob again?! Oh noez....
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#3 skelebull3000
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We'll just have to wait and see.

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Whos Kojim?! Did some Ko Jimbob again?! Oh noez....

oops. thanks. fixed
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#5 aaronmullan
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Natal is just a gimmick.
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#6 dog_dirt
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Natal is just a gimmick.aaronmullan
people said that about TV, Walkmans, mp3 players, the internet, CD players, gramaphones. they were wrong too
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#7 Blixxed
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I still think Natal and motion controlls suck.

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#8 Dystopian-X
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He's been saying the same thing about the Wii and so far hasn't made anything for it. If he thinks so about Natal then show us how revolutionary it can't be and finally make a game with it, I'd be interested in seeing this.
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#9 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Natal is just a gimmick.dog_dirt
people said that about TV, Walkmans, mp3 players, the internet, CD players, gramaphones. they were wrong too

and people also said that about Laser Disc, Minidiscs, Electric Abdominal Belts, Virtual Boy, etc. They were right about Gimmicks too.

UNTIL THERE IS SOFTWARE for us gamers to actually see/play, I don't care. IT's cool about Kojima liking it, but whatev.

For the record, Kojima said similar things about the Wii...

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#10 Totalgym9000
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Dont have much top say on natal, Everyone just needs to sit back and see how this one turns out.
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#11 8Tango
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Natal is just a gimmick.SolidTy

people said that about TV, Walkmans, mp3 players, the internet, CD players, gramaphones. they were wrong too

and people also said that about Laser Disc, Minidiscs, Electric Abdominal Belts, etc. They were right about Gimmicks too.

UNTIL THERE IS SOFTWARE for us gamers to actually, I don't care. IT's cool about Kojima liking it, but whatev.

*Runs in panting* BETAMAX!!!!
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"] people said that about TV, Walkmans, mp3 players, the internet, CD players, gramaphones. they were wrong too8Tango

and people also said that about Laser Disc, Minidiscs, Electric Abdominal Belts, Virtual Boy, etc. They were right about Gimmicks too.

UNTIL THERE IS SOFTWARE for us gamers to actually see/play, I don't care. IT's cool about Kojima liking it, but whatev.

For the record, Kojima said similar things about the Wii...

*Runs in panting* BETAMAX!!!!

lmao.

I'm not going to get hyped using my own imagination on what I THINK Natal games will be. So far, that's the only steam people are running around on.

M$ PR and Marketing is absolutely amazing.

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#13 delta3074
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i can't think of 1 good reason i would want natal for gaming, motion controllers suck,imo
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#14 SolidTy
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i can't think of 1 good reason i would want natal for gaming, motion controllers suck,imodelta3074

Agreed.

I wish they would show us some Killer Games that would make us want it, it's just a bunch of words right now.

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#15 spinecaton
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I am going to hold off any judgement until I see some games working with Natal and then actually get to play them aswell. It could very well be a gimmick or it could be great, but we don't know until we try it out.

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#16 agturboninja
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Motion controls as themselves are flawed.

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#17 SecretPolice
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I am going to hold off any judgement until I see some games working with Natal and then actually get to play them aswell. It could very well be a gimmick or it could be great, but we don't know until we try it out.

spinecaton

This for me as well. With Rare being intimately involved; my hopes are a bit higher. We shall see. :)

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#18 OniStrat
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Natal will probably be a lot of fun, but it's crippled in the way that it will mostly only work for party type games. This is something that a lot of people don't realize here on System Wars. Thee's no way this game will work for FPS games for example. No one want's to act like they're running, crouching and so on. You could use it in the way that you dodge ullets by moving your head or your body to a certain direction, but that's just something that would feel so unnecessary. I used FPS just as an example. All this applies to pretty much every genre except party games.

One thing that I'm interested in seeing is how accurate Natal really will be. Will it see me moving my fingers? Will it se my mouth move? That's something that's interesting, and if it really will be that accurate, party games can be really fun.

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He's been saying the same thing about the Wii and so far hasn't made anything for it. If he thinks so about Natal then show us how revolutionary it can't be and finally make a game with it, I'd be interested in seeing this.Dystopian-X
So true. -__- I'll wait to see results before getting hyped for Natal. LIke SolidTY said...looks like a gimmick. MS just wants a piece of the Wii audience.

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#20 masterpinky2000
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Interesting. I was extremely cynical about Natal, and don't plan on running out to buy it when it comes out, but if it gets enough dev support and AAA titles, it would effectively be a new console purchase and might be worth it.
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#21 nintendoboy16
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I disagree with Kojima. I really don't see how either Natal or PS3 Motion will revolutionize anything. Maybe it's because I have a Wii, but I'm not sure.

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#22 PS3_3DO
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Sounds like he likes that more then sony's wii-mote plus rip-off.

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#23 ShuichiChamp24
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Didn't he say something similar about the Wii?

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#24 Filthybastrd
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I think Mr. Kojima is a bit too easily impressed.

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Natal is just a gimmick.dog_dirt
people said that about TV, Walkmans, mp3 players, the internet, CD players, gramaphones. they were wrong too

yeah but the quotes here from fanboys and their assesments are far more important.

Next time quote some random guy in System Wars.

"Cow fanboy- Natal is just a gimmick and it sucketh!"

The industry should take them seriously since they've never tried it and have no industry inside information and they will never try it out themselves.

Fanboys here will probably start saying Hideo Kojima sucks now or something.

Let's not forget other industry pundits like Steven Spielberg and all the other journalists who have tried it.

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I disagree with Kojima. I really don't see how either Natal or PS3 Motion will revolutionize anything. Maybe it's because I have a Wii, but I'm not sure.

nintendoboy16
Agreed, I don't see Natal or the Motion controller from Sony helping anything.
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#27 AdmiralBison
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Didn't he say something similar about the Wii?

ShuichiChamp24

yes and the Wii sold millions and help usher in many new people into playing games and has caused it's rivals to follow suite.

Yes Hideo was correct in his assesment.

But then we people here know better since we are the creative types and know more about the industry then people who work in it.

Oh and we see up close first hand new technology before them.

Yeah for System Wars

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

I disagree with Kojima. I really don't see how either Natal or PS3 Motion will revolutionize anything. Maybe it's because I have a Wii, but I'm not sure.

Solid_Max13

Agreed, I don't see Natal or the Motion controller from Sony helping anything.

yet we havn't tried any of them up close first hand.

What seems to fly in the face of logic here in System Wars is that people still deny the success of Nintendo's Wii.

Just because Hardcore fanboys here keep saying it sucks and the games don't appeal to them isn't going to me the Wii go away.

If anything it's success is quite apparent that it has caused Microsoft and Sony to follow as well.

goes to show how important a minority of Hardcore fanboys mean.

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#29 sexy_robot_man
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Kojima opinion about NATAL>everysingle person in System Wars opinion myself included.

That is a fact!

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#30 sexy_robot_man
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Sounds like he likes that more then sony's wii-mote plus rip-off.

PS3_3DO

What is this RED FRACTION you talk about in your sig? is that a TPS math adventure?

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good lord he sounds like Peter Molyneux now.
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#32 clubsammich91
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No, the Wii(which was codenamed Revolution) was the revolution. Natal is just capitalizing on the motion control money train.
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good lord he sounds like Peter Molyneux now.Ontain

why because he is impressed by something that is on the Xbox360?

How about Steven Spielberg- does he sound like Peter Molyneux too?

How about a lot of the journalists?

Gee you know what...

Check this video out

for all it's worth Bioware are quite impressed as much

but then according to System Wars they suck or their assessment is then in question.

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#34 cainetao11
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Well Kojima had one thing right, look at all the motion controls suck posts. He said a lot of gamers won't be able to accept the change in controls. I won't praise or condemn Natal. I like the Wii and enjoy some games I have for it. I will wait to see what devs do with Natal.
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#35 Kingmohd84
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any one want to bet that Natal will turn out just for clicking on menu items and kiddy gestures? Just like how Wii turn out, we were all under the wrong impression at first...
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No, the Wii(which was codenamed Revolution) was the revolution. Natal is just capitalizing on the motion control money train. clubsammich91

yeah that's right.

So this revolution is not a gimmick as so many Fanboys here are in denial about.

At least Microsoft are putting huge effort into this and have actually been working on this for 20 Years!

However I doubt that Hideo Kojima or any other industry heavy weights will inject any logic into System Wars.

Yeah.

Motion control is just a gimmick and will fail:roll:

I wonder how many people quote that and continue to quote that when the reality is the exact opposite.

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any one want to bet that Natal will turn out just for clicking on menu items and kiddy gestures? Just like how Wii turn out, we were all under the wrong impression at first...Kingmohd84

Kiddy gestures??

What do you mean by that.

I'm willing to bet you will be wrong.

Oh yeah and it is obvious is has potential for application outside of games obviously.

You're right System Wars is under the wrong impression however industry pundits know more about.

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#38 Mystery_Writer
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hehe :P ps3 fans gonna have a brain overload on this one.. can't diss kojima.. yet can't agree with him (j/k)
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#39 MJPK
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I hate all motion controllers.I like to sit down and enjoy my games and not jump and move about like an idiot.

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#40 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]good lord he sounds like Peter Molyneux now.AdmiralBison

why because he is impressed by something that is on the Xbox360?

How about Steven Spielberg- does he sound like Peter Molyneux too?

How about a lot of the journalists?

Gee you know what...

Check this video out

for all it's worth Bioware are quite impressed as much

but then according to System Wars they suck or their assessment is then in question.

because he's hyping it with a bunch of ideas that will probably not be realized this gen. this is what Molyneux is known for.
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#41 MclovinKilledU
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microsoft prob payed him to say all those things

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#42 chopperdave447
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considering the wiimote has been extremely underwhelming except for in a few games, i doubt the transition to any type of this thing will be very slow and painful. i mean, imagine having to hold your arms out straight for like 3 hours to play a racing game. that would hurt.
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[QUOTE="Solid_Max13"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

I disagree with Kojima. I really don't see how either Natal or PS3 Motion will revolutionize anything. Maybe it's because I have a Wii, but I'm not sure.

AdmiralBison

Agreed, I don't see Natal or the Motion controller from Sony helping anything.

yet we havn't tried any of them up close first hand.

What seems to fly in the face of logic here in System Wars is that people still deny the success of Nintendo's Wii.

Just because Hardcore fanboys here keep saying it sucks and the games don't appeal to them isn't going to me the Wii go away.

If anything it's success is quite apparent that it has caused Microsoft and Sony to follow as well.

goes to show how important a minority of Hardcore fanboys mean.

I'll tell you what the problem is, I don't see anything that seems to revolutionize Natal or the Sony motion design. Natal to me hasn't blown my head off and don't even mention Milo, that thing was proved fake, and Natal is seriously looking like an eye toy. And sonys motion design I don't see it going anywhere as well except for some little unique stuff here and there, I can say the same for Natal but will it warrant dropping whatever price they set for these "toys". Don't get me wrong I love Kojima but what will make it really revolutionize gaming as a whole please enlighten me.
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#44 dog_dirt
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microsoft prob payed him to say all those things

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and a gun to his kids heads. evil f'in M$
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#45 g0ddyX
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Kojima knows best, so if he says natals gonna rock, so it will.
We know what the wii motion can do, but look at the possibilites natal can do, if you have a mind that is.


From that, you know natal is going to better than the waggle-fest controllers.

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#46 Meowmixxvi
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i see a xbox360 fitness game coming! LOL. seriously though, i hate motion controls. if you want to be interactive while having fun, go outside and take a breath of fresh air... see what life has to offer ;)
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#47 g0ddyX
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i see a xbox360 fitness game coming! LOL. seriously though, i hate motion controls. if you want to be interactive while having fun, go outside and take a breath of fresh air... see what life has to offer ;)Meowmixxvi


Bang on.

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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]No, the Wii(which was codenamed Revolution) was the revolution. Natal is just capitalizing on the motion control money train. AdmiralBison

yeah that's right.

So this revolution is not a gimmick as so many Fanboys here are in denial about.

At least Microsoft are putting huge effort into this and have actually been working on this for 20 Years!

However I doubt that Hideo Kojima or any other industry heavy weights will inject any logic into System Wars.

Yeah.

Motion control is just a gimmick and will fail:roll:

I wonder how many people quote that and continue to quote that when the reality is the exact opposite.

Never said it was a gimmick. Just said that it is very profitable right now and both MS and Sony are trying to get their fair share.

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#49 Thunderdrone
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I too, am blown away by motion controls. Its just groundbraking, fantastic, orgasmic. Why did it take so long for someone to think this up? The years of outdated traditional controllers are over, the revolution is here. God bless Microsoft. Adopt me, mighty Kojima
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#50 Thunderdrone
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microsoft prob payed him to say all those things

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No need. The man is practically bending over to western development, free of charge. Trying too hard to be america's most beloved Japanese developer/celebrity. You wish you were american, we get it kojima