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Poll Kotaku: Games that Defined last gen (50 votes)

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Either this is old or for some reason didn't get posted here but...have a look. Just want to say...PS3 has the most exclusives in the list : ) 4 total. Just saying...Not suggesting anything...Just saying.

Here's the list: Not in any order...

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Mass Effect 2

The Mass Effect series was easily one of the most influential and iconic of the last generation. Of the three games, it was perhaps Mass Effect 2 that made the biggest impression. The rough edges and janky combat of the first game were replaced by punchy, functioning third-person combat. The overarching story may have been the weakest of the trilogy, but the individual loyalty missions were some of the most enjoyable parts of Mass Effect as a whole. Hell, we've already done an entire week dedicated to Mass Effect, so I needn't really say more. While there are some who prefer the first game in some ways (I'm one of them), the fact remains that Mass Effect 2 was the moment the series broke through.1P

Braid 2

Jonathan Blow's phenomenally successful puzzle platformer set a couple of new standards for video games. It was one of if not the first mainstream "art" games, a thoughtful piece of work as concerned with introspection as it was with on-screen action. It had something to say and, crucially, said it through actual gameplay: Braid's time-rewinding mechanics were reflected in the story of Tim and his quest to rewind time and repair a broken relationship. For better or for worse, it heralded the age of the "arty 2D platformer," which on the whole provided a relatively easy-to-use canvas for creative independent developers to try new ideas. And of course, Braidintroduced the world to Mr. Blow, who remains one of the sharpest, most outspoken game creators around.4P

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Hideo Kojima's sprawling (and some would say overstuffed) opus Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots felt like it rang in the moment the PlayStation 3 "arrived." Here was a game, exclusive to Sony's console, that finally showed off what that extra horsepower, hard-drive space and blu-ray player were capable of. The game remains (and will remain) in the library of many a PS3 owner, and while other console-defining games would follow it, MGS4 remains one of the first major steps in the PS3's eventual comeback.5678910P

Speaking of the PS3…P

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

The first Uncharted game, Drake's Fortune, got some people talking about the PS3. (I remember a former student of mine talking about how Drake's shirt only got partially wet when he only partially went underwater). But it wasn't until Uncharted 2 that people started saying, "Okay, you have to see this game." Uncharted 2 was the game that finally got me to buy a PS3. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one. Those vistas, those setpieces, that amazing train level… Naughty Dog would go on to make The Last of Us, one of the great action games of the generation, but Uncharted 2 remains their defining game. (It was also less well-remembered for its early stab at social media integration: The game initially included annoying Twitter functionality that its developers eventually turned off.) Uncharted 2's many smart ideas—no loading screens, semi-interactive setpieces, upside-down shooting, and on and on—have and will continue, to echo. 111213P

Wii Sports

The Wii was banking on a single gamble: That people wanted to play simple games using natural motions, rather than complicated button combinations. Any concept like that needs a game to sell it, and Wii Sports did just that. Without the Wii, Wii Sports would have been a regular old combination of sports minigames. Without Wii Sports, the Wii would have been an odd Nintendo console with no proof-of-concept games. Together, Wii Sports and the Wii managed to dominate the last generation of console gaming. And… yeah, you can also thankWii Sports for the millions of mini-game collections that followed it, not one of them half as good.P

Demon's Souls

It started as a collection of murmurs—people talking about this game, this new game, and boy wasn't it hard? But man it was good, but WOW it was hard, and it really took them back to what games used to be like, when we were young, only it was better and oh man did I mention how hard it was? I spent a long while terrified of From Software's Demon's Souls, but when I finally played and embraced it, I found a game that wasn't so much hard as it was… well,brilliant. Demon's Souls paved the way for its follow-up Dark Souls, which fleshed out its predecessor's core concepts while adding some new ideas and more or less perfecting an already-great recipe. There's a reason that so many upcoming games are described as "It's likeDark Souls meets [other game]". The Souls games may be the purest gaming experiences of the last generation, and demonstrated that there are some who still want mystery and true challenge in their games. From the unexpected, seamless multiplayer to the extreme but fair challenge to the oddly affecting, asynchronous note-leaving, Demon's Souls and Dark Soulswere easily two of the most influential—and well-made—games of the last generation.1516P

Portal

"The cake is a lie." Is there any one phrase from the last generation of gaming as tired, overused but nonetheless iconic as that? Probably not. Portal came out of nowhere, a short, bundled game included in Valve's The Orange Box along with Half Life 2: Episode 2 and Team Fortress 2. Even among such heady company, Portal stood out. GLaDOS immediately sailed past SHODAN to the top of every "best villains" list on the internet, and the portal gun was immediately recognized as one of the most brilliant mechanical concepts of the last eight years. It's no coincidence it's been mimicked and outright copied in scores of games since. Portal was perhaps the best thing in the smallest package of the last generation.P

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Where to even begin with the impact ofModern Warfare? It's probably the most influential game on this list. (Even Kotaku is blind) The multiplayer suite added persistent RPG elements to keep players addicted… and now just about every other multiplayer shooter does the same thing. The single-player contained scenes that have been mimicked, copied and stolen by every other military shooter since, sometimes even by other Call of Dutygames. Everything about Modern Warfare has been replicated so many times over that it's become a blight on modern gaming; Call of Duty is so popular as to be ubiquitous. Its sequels have, arguably, lost their creative mojo. But for its moment in time, the originator—Modern Warfare—was pretty damned good.18P

Grand Theft Auto IV

GTA V may have sold more copies in its first week of release, but GTA IV was the first game to demonstrate what a powerhouse like Rockstar was capable of on more powerful gaming hardware. I spent my first hours with this game in a state of constant awe, wondering just how much was possible. Of course, the answer turned out to be "not as much as you thought," but man, that illusion… it was something.P

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Of course Skyrim had to be on this list. Its predecessor, Oblivion, was actually the reason I got an Xbox 360 and got back into video games. But Skyrim was the game that blew open the entire notion of an open-world fantasy game. It went on to become a meme: Skyrim with guns, Skyrim with cars, Skyrim with even more dragons… and it remains one of the most ambitious and flat-out massive games of the generation. And yeah, we can also thank this game for the "arrow in the knee" meme. Thanks a lot, Skyrim.P

Journey

Journey was perhaps the first art game to become a system-seller. There had been gorgeous games before it, but Journey was so astonishingly lovely that people would tell their friends: You have to see this. Austin Wintory's score remains one of the most beautiful and evocative of the generation, and the game's peaceful embrace of Demon's Souls' seamless multiplayer was inspired. Journey was, and will remain, unforgettable.P

Gears of War

What Metal Gear Solid 4 did for the PS3, Gears of War did for the Xbox 360. It was the console's graphical showcase, and marked the moment the Unreal Engine began its steamroller-like takeover of the last console generation. But really, graphics weren't even Gears'most notable aspect. Gears may have borrowed its cover-focused shooting from Kill Switch, butGears was the game that popularized the approach. Who'd have thought that making a shooting game focused on taking cover would make things so much more exciting and interesting? Or that an "active reload" mechanic, which asked players to do more than simply press a button to reload their gun, would be so supremely satisfying and widely copied? Gears of War also introduced seamless two-player cooperative play in its campaign, which went on to become a standard for many subsequent unrelated games. Gears 2 then introduced wave-based cooperative "horde mode" multiplayer, a logical extrapolation of the first game's single-player co-op. It was also notable for offering players informative pop-ups to keep them appraised of their achievement progress. With most of the Epic Games creative team scattered to the wind, we may never get another Gears game. But the series' design innovations will continue to ring out for many years to come.21P

Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor

Oh, the Xbox Kinect. Microsoft seemed so certain that their motion-control camera would bring about great new ways to play games. But for all the people who bought a camera for their Xbox, we got so very few Kinect games that were even halfway decent. Though there was one… one that, uh, stood apart. Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor took a series known for its incredibly overblown physical controller and attempted to make it work with Kinect. And failed miserably. It seemed so interesting in previews, and looked so promising in demonstration videos, that it remains a lesson in not trusting a game until you really play it. Or, attempt to play it, as the finished game was essentially unplayable. Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor was possibly the greatest example of—with the exception of a few fun games like Dance Central and Gunstringer—the overall failure of the Kinect and motion control in general to work as a hardcore gaming accessory. P

BioShock

How many game pitches over the last few years have begun, "It's like BioShock, but…" Ken Levine's underwater opus remains a high-water mark for single-player narrative games even this many years after its 2007 release. Few video-game creations have remained as iconic as the Splicers, Big Daddies and Little Sisters of Rapture, and while a replay of the game reveals several combat mechanics that haven't aged all that well, the game itself is as audacious a performance now as it was then. Plus, it gave us both "Would you kindly?" and the term Ludonarrative Dissonance. P

Deadly Premonition

How best to value weirdness? Is it possible to love an ugly game? How about a "bad" one? Several years after its unceremonious, budget-priced release on Xbox 360, Deadly Premonitionhas earned a rare distinction: It is a true camp video game. The vision of one man—Japanese developer Hidetaka "SWERY" Suehiro—defines the entire game. Equal parts Twin Peakshomage and bizarre Resident Evil remix, the game contains so many strange, unforgettable moments that it's impossible to even begin to list them. The graphics looked like a launch game on the original Xbox. Its enigmatic, pop-culture obsessed protagonist Francis "York" Morgan remains one of the coolest characters of the last generation. The controls were so terrible that certain sections feel like a dark joke. Its soundtrack is incredible; immediately iconic, strange, beautiful. It was extremely difficult to understand or play without first reading a fan-written guide. 25P

Beneath the strange exterior and overblown cinematics lies a fascinating bit of open-world game design, balancing upon one of the most immersive and fully-realized virtual towns ever created. It laughed in the face of the entire concept of the review score, receiving a 2/10 from one major publication and a 10/10 from another, while a third outlet dedicated an entire series to naming it game of the year. Deadly Premonition made it possible for us to love a "bad" game, but that was perhaps its craftiest trick. It wasn't a bad game at all. It was very, very good.26P

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved

Geometry Wars was a proof-of-concept for mid-sized downloadable console games. Up until the last few years, it had been widely held that big, graphics-intensive games came on discs, while downloadable games were smaller, bite-sized things. Pac-Man revamps and the like.Geometry Wars proved that it was possible to release a mid-sized game digitally, and opened the door for the flood of downloadable console games that followed. (It was also a hell of a lot of fun to play.)P

Madden NFL

Owen Good writes: Madden NFL makes this list but not for honorable reasons. No series defined this console generation of sports video games more than Madden, which in 2005 ushered in the era of exclusive agreements with professional leagues who license video games. For the lifespan of this console generation, sports fans not only had fewer choices, in terms of direct competitors to games like Madden NFL or MLB 2K, they saw fewer and fewer of the arcade-style titles that had added so much variety before 2005; zero were published with league license in 2013.P

Madden may not have been the only sports simulation to blunder its way through the Xbox 360 launch—others like NBA Live, NHL 2K and MLB 2K also stumbled and never recovered. But it was the most visible, and it wandered for most of the era developing features that made for great-sounding back-of-the-box copy one year only to be abandoned in the next. There will beno Major League Baseball game on the Xbox One come March, and it is wholly because of the era Madden ushered in and continues to represent, the era of the exclusive license.P

FIFA Soccer

Luke Plunkett writes: Where Madden epitomized everything wrong with EA Sports during the past generation, FIFA was an example of the publisher at its best. Overhauling the superiorPro Evo series was no small feat, but the effort EA put into advancing FIFA's gameplay on the pitch - while shoring up its presentation off it - means it's now deservedly the biggest sports series on the planet.P

Rock Band 2

The era of the plastic-instrument music game may have drawn to a close, but many fond memories remain. For a few shining years, we were all rock stars. Harmonix'sRock Band 2 represents, to me, the peak of the era. It wasn't the first game in the genre: That honor goes to Harmonix's plenty revolutionary Guitar Hero. And it wasn't the game with the best instruments, nor was it the most comprehensive—those honors go to Rock Band 3. It was, however, the music game that arrived at the peak of the genre's popularity, and for a party game like Rock Band, popularity is everything. The drum set was better. The setlist was amazing. And everybody wanted to play. I have more fond memories of playing this game with friends than any other game from the past generation. Long live Bratney Spaers! Long live the 9th Avenue Sluts! For those about to rock, etc.!27P

Final Fantasy XIII

Easily one of the most hyped Final Fantasy games of all time, XIII represented what looked like a turning point for the series. How would Final Fantasy make its (at the time) next-gen debut? What place did a JRPG have in the more and more action-focused gaming landscape?FFXIII was not without its merits, and has attracted more than a few loyal fans, including our own Mike Fahey. But in general, the game is held as an overly linear disappointment that took far too long to get going. It wound up a strange albatross for publisher Square Enix, who doubled down on the series and released a sequel few people wanted, which sold dismally, and who has yet another sequel coming this winter. Furthermore, the series' strange digression may have turned people—fans and developers alike—off from console JRPGs this generation. Square Enix has spent more than enough time tracking the saga of Lightning and her friends, and it's time to move on.

Super Mario Galaxy

Joyous to play and exploding with creativity, Mario Galaxy not only reinvigorated the Mariobrand, it introduced a number of fascinating new mechanics, several of which were lifted by other games. In particular, it popularized the notion of a less essential co-op player with"Co-Star Mode," in which one player took on a helper role while the primary player controlled Mario. A classic by any measure, Mario Galaxy was one of the Wii's best games.3637P

Wii Fit

Wii Fit was another unlikely hit for the Nintendo Wii—it went on to become one of the best-selling games of all time, and an easy justification for the Wii Balance Board peripheral. It demonstrated that people want to use their consoles for more than just "regular" video games, and that fitness and physical activity could be greatly enhanced by smart game design. The impact of its success will likely be felt for generations to come, as game developers get more and more creative with how they get us out of our chairs and into shape.38P

Street Fighter IV

While the fighting game genre will never truly disappear, it did see a slump during the early parts of the last generation. Who better to pull it out than Street Fighter, returning with a wallop and getting millions of people playing once more as Blanka, Ken, Ryu and the rest of the gang. Well-balanced, well-designed and gorgeous looking, Street Fighter got up off the mat and dominated the fighting game genre. P

Far Cry 2 and Spec Ops: The Line41

Wait wait wait, two games are on this list… together? Yep. So why are they here? Well. As the last generation progressed, we began to see game developers wrestling with the fact that the games they made were horribly, ridiculously violent. And their games, exemplified by Far Cry 2and Spec Ops: The Line, began to reflect that struggle. Far Cry 2 remains one of my favorite games of the last generation, largely because creative director Clint Hocking's design philosophy was so clear-eyed: He wanted to create a world on fire, a hostile place that aggressively provoked chaos. Your character wasn't a hero, he was a piece of human garbage, a loveless mercenary picking over the remains of a war-torn African nation. Your "buddies" weren't your friends, they were assholes just like you. This place was on fire, and you were here to watch it burn. Far Cry 2 was, in the words of onetime "permadeath" player Ben Abraham, a game about entropy. It was also a difficult, darkly seductive game that derived pleasure from its deadly unpredictability. I rarely felt good while playing it, but I never wanted to stop.42P

On the other side of the gun-barrel sits Spec Ops: The Line, an incredibly violent third-person military shooter that, when it came down to it, hated itself and its own violence. Lead writer Walt Williams is an interesting guy and his intent with the game was clear. The finished product is a muddle, but it makes its point far more directly than anyone was expecting,including me. Both games raised similar questions: Is it possible for a violent game to condemn violence? If we take a video game protagonist's acts of mass-murder seriously, must we indict the player along with him? Will there ever be a successful anti-war shooting game? Is that even possible? Neither game provided entirely satisfactory answers, but it remains noteworthy that they asked at all. As those questions linger, it's only a matter of time before more games attempt to provide answers.

Burnout Paradise

Plenty of last-gen racing games chased realism and simulation. But one game—Criterion'sBurnout Paradise—said to hell with that, let's have fun. Years later, no pure racing game (or open-world driving game) has managed to capture the sheer thrill of Paradise, though Criterion's follow up Need for Speed: Most Wanteddid come close. Hopefully we'll get anotherBurnout game in the next generation of consoles. The world is ready.44454647P

Manhunt 2

Rockstar's Manhunt 2 was arguably the most notorious game of the last generation. When talking about this article, my boss Stephen Totilo described Manhunt 2 as "the media-scare game of this gen." That a virtual snuff-film simulator was released on the seemingly family-friendly Wii caused even more scandal—motion controlled beatdowns! It was one of the few games to receive an AO rating, which left Rockstar scrambling to change content and get it into stores. 48P

Assassin's Creed II

The first Assassin's Creed was, at the time, one of the games that most called out "next-gen!" It looked unbelievable in demonstrations, offering freedom and fidelity the likes of which we had never seen. But the game itself… well, it could be tough to love. Assassin's Creed II, however… it's been said before, but Assassin's Creed II made the first game feel like a mere tech demo by comparison. Not only did it refine the first game's design and give us much more to do (and with more variety!), it introduced us to Ezio Auditore da Firenze, star of two subsequent games and still the most widely beloved character in the series.

Minecraft

Sure, Minecraft began on the PC. But its migration to the Xbox 360 wound up making the game one of the most in-retrospect unsurprising console successes of the last generation. It sold incredible numbers, yes, but it also brought the magic of Minecraft into living rooms in a whole new way: It allowed for split-screen, local co-op. It seems so obvious now, but movingMinecraft from the PC into the living room gave a new angle on the series and let millions of newcomers fall in love with most enjoyable set of digital LEGOs around.P

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So there you have it. That's our list but… ah, of course! We left off your favorite game. How could we have been so blind? Please feel free to write about that game in the comments, following this format:P

I'm looking forward to seeing what games defined each of your generations.P

That'll about do it for Last-Gen Heroes. Thanks so much to everyone for reading, and to all the lovely people at TAY for contributing with so much enthusiasm. We can only hope that the next generation of gaming will offer as much joy, as much drama, and as many great games as the last one did.P

I have a feeling it will.P

Reasonable list I guess : /

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@John_Matherson: Yeah actually, you were, cry more is internet lingo and a cop out. I know it hurts your poor little brain but try, just try to put 5 seconds of rationale thought into a response before posting and embarrassing yourself again.

@Mozelleple112:

I see that you have no intelligent counter argument, that's to be expected since MGS fans are the same people who rode the short yellow bus to school. Thanks for your worthless input anyway, I'll be sure to use it the next time I run out of toilet paper.

Kojima = never going to be in the AIAS hall of fame, M Night Shymalan would feel embarrassed for this guy. #dealwithit

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@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Yeah actually, you were, cry more is internet lingo and a cop out. I know it hurts your poor little brain but try, just try to put 5 seconds of rationale thought into a response before posting and embarrassing yourself again.

@Mozelleple112:

I see that you have no intelligent counter argument, that's to be expected since MGS fans are the same people who rode the short yellow bus to school. Thanks for your worthless input anyway, I'll be sure to use it the next time I run out of toilet paper.

Kojima = never going to be in the AIAS hall of fame, M Night Shymalan would feel embarrassed for this guy. #dealwithit

It can be an internet lingo but I always thought if a stupid fck was in my thread and crying about something he can't change and something he's too much of a blind fanboy to accept then encouraging him to cry more in the sense of 'keep bitching' is just my regular sarcastic response. Now if it happens to also be a.lingo we can call it a pun in a sense..CRY MORE, DUMBFUCK. And whatever other dumb **** came up with that stupid lingo can go to hell. Sorry I track gaming and Sys Wars; I don't obligate myself to keep up with stupid slangs idiots like you invent to feel like you're a part of something.

And wait how stupid.could you possibly be to tell people that they're stupid for liking one of gaming's most iconic franchises without any proof that the franchise is bad like you claim,and then you continue on telling the guy he doesn't have an intelligent counter argument against your stupid and bogus and completely inaccurate claim?

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@John_Matherson said:

It can be an internet lingo but I always thought if a stupid fck was in my thread and crying about something he can't change and something he's too much of a blind fanboy to accept then encouraging him to cry more in the sense of 'keep bitching' is just my regular sarcastic response. Now if it happens to also be a.lingo we can call it a pun in a sense..CRY MORE, DUMBFUCK. And whatever other dumb **** came up with that stupid lingo can go to hell. Sorry I track gaming and Sys Wars; I don't obligate myself to keep up with stupid slangs idiots like you invent to feel like you're a part of something.

And wait how stupid.could you possibly be to tell people that they're stupid for liking one of gaming's most iconic franchises without any proof that the franchise is bad like you claim,and then you continue on telling the guy he doesn't have an intelligent counter argument against your stupid and bogus and completely inaccurate claim?

OK, first of all, shut up with the my thread nonsense. Just because you somehow managed to hit the new topic button doesn't make you entitled to anything on this thread or on this site.

Second of, I don't have to change anything, in fact it's quite the opposite. When I said MGS4 is a piece of sh*t it's based on an impartial analysis, that means I looked at the game objectively, did a comparison and came up with that conclusion.

Saying the game is garbage is equivalent to saying 2+2 = 4. There is only one possible conclusion.

When I said MGS4 was a piece of crap, What's the counter retort given?

1. One person jumped to the conclusion that I was a Gears of War fan and told me Gears of War was a sh*t game at some pathetic attempt to spite me. That's evidence #1 in this thread that MGS fans are generally morons.

2. Another person claimed I was a 360 fan who was butthurt over the game getting an undeserved 10/10, Even though Super Mario Galaxy 2 was one of my favorite games this past gen.

Second evidence of MGS fans being the most idiotic group of fanboys around.

3. I claimed Hideo Kojima is the most overrated game developer on the planet, which is again absolutely true. A poorly written, poorly paced, contradictive story, An over reliance on shock value, using a plot device to poorly tie up any loose ends in his series,

Hideo Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of video game directors.

There's a reason that he isn't in the AIAS Hall of Fame, and he never will be either.

MGS is hardly an iconic franchise either, it has a very niche audience.

These are all facts.

The rest of your post is just more raging, shrieking up and down and nonsense. MGS fans are so pathetic that when they're up against opposition all they can do is run around and cluck like a bunch of chicken heads.

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@John_Matherson said:

It can be an internet lingo but I always thought if a stupid fck was in my thread and crying about something he can't change and something he's too much of a blind fanboy to accept then encouraging him to cry more in the sense of 'keep bitching' is just my regular sarcastic response. Now if it happens to also be a.lingo we can call it a pun in a sense..CRY MORE, DUMBFUCK. And whatever other dumb **** came up with that stupid lingo can go to hell. Sorry I track gaming and Sys Wars; I don't obligate myself to keep up with stupid slangs idiots like you invent to feel like you're a part of something.

And wait how stupid.could you possibly be to tell people that they're stupid for liking one of gaming's most iconic franchises without any proof that the franchise is bad like you claim,and then you continue on telling the guy he doesn't have an intelligent counter argument against your stupid and bogus and completely inaccurate claim?

OK, first of all, shut up with the my thread nonsense. Just because you somehow managed to hit the new topic button doesn't make you entitled to anything on this thread or on this site.

Second of, I don't have to change anything, in fact it's quite the opposite. When I said MGS4 is a piece of sh*t it's based on an impartial analysis, that means I looked at the game objectively, did a comparison and came up with that conclusion.

Saying the game is garbage is equivalent to saying 2+2 = 4. There is only one possible conclusion.

When I said MGS4 was a piece of crap, What's the counter retort given?

1. One person jumped to the conclusion that I was a Gears of War fan and told me Gears of War was a sh*t game at some pathetic attempt to spite me. That's evidence #1 in this thread that MGS fans are generally morons.

2. Another person claimed I was a 360 fan who was butthurt over the game getting an undeserved 10/10, Even though Super Mario Galaxy 2 was one of my favorite games this past gen.

Second evidence of MGS fans being the most idiotic group of fanboys around.

3. I claimed Hideo Kojima is the most overrated game developer on the planet, which is again absolutely true. A poorly written, poorly paced, contradictive story, An over reliance on shock value, using a plot device to poorly tie up any loose ends in his series,

Hideo Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of video game directors.

There's a reason that he isn't in the AIAS Hall of Fame, and he never will be either.

MGS is hardly an iconic franchise either, it has a very niche audience.

These are all facts.

The rest of your post is just more raging, shrieking up and down and nonsense. MGS fans are so pathetic that when they're up against opposition all they can do is run around and cluck like a bunch of chicken heads.

No dumbfuck stop trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. I know your console didn't get any 10/10 exclusives last gen and that's ok. No need to be butthurt. And no MGS4 isn't a piece of shit...and you can't say you saying that is based on an impartial analysis...Wait...first of all...wtf part of opinions aren't facts do you not understand. You think it's piece of shit, GS thinks it's a 10/10 game. OK...here's an example of a FACT concerning MGS4. Maybe this will help you understand...

MGS4 IS ONLY ON THE PS3: FACT

MGS4 IS A CRAPPY GAME: OPINION

Facts are irrefutable observations. In MGS4 Snake has a disease that makes him appear old...FACT....

And no dude, it's either you're really fcking stupid or I'm missing something. Anyone care to interpret for this guy?

Everything you just listed isn't an impartial analysis, assface, they're opinions. Figure it out.

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Whoa, meltdown

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Wait a tick...

Did Johnny Meltdown say...

@John_Matherson said:

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@John_Matherson:

No dumbfuck stop trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. I know your console didn't get any 10/10 exclusives last gen and that's ok. No need to be butthurt. And no MGS4 isn't a piece of shit...and you can't say you saying that is based on an impartial analysis...Wait...first of all...wtf part of opinions aren't facts do you not understand. You think it's piece of shit, GS thinks it's a 10/10 game. OK...here's an example of a FACT concerning MGS4. Maybe this will help you understand...

And there you go again assuming that because I don't like MGS4 that I'm automatically a die hard 360 fanboy that hates everything else. Did I not mention several times that SMG2 was one of my favorite games this past gen? Or did you have your head shoved so far up your ass that you missed that part?

I've owned a PS3, a Wii and a 360 since 2009. The only thing you can do at this point is cluck and scream 360 fanboy, because you have nothing else. It just proves my point that MGS fans are objectively the biggest group of mongoloids.

MGS4 IS ONLY ON THE PS3: FACT

Awesome, thankfully I've had a PS3 for nearly 5 years now so if I wanted to go back and play that piece of crap then I would. Hell if I wanted to play the entire shitty MGS Series I can go buy the Legacy collection, but I'd rather use my money to wipe my ass than spend it on that piece of crap.

MGS4 IS A CRAPPY GAME: OPINION

It's a fact to anyone with an IQ over 85.

Poor pacing, terrible abuse of plot devices, over reliance on shock value, crap characters, crap bosses. These are the makings of a bad game. If MGS4 got a 10/10 it makes it the most overrated game this gen.

Hideo Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of video games

These are facts, go ahead and scream opinions and scream 360 fanboy, cluck away, it's all you can do.

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Wait a tick...

Did Johnny Meltdown say...

@John_Matherson said:

?

Hahahahaha glorious.

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Spec-Ops: The Line, Dark Souls and Minecraft would probably be my top-3 choices for defining games of last gen in terms of sheer impact. Mirror's Edge and Dead Rising were outstanding games, and lasted me hundreds of hours, but they weren't defining experiences.

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Sorry, but I can't take this list serious with UC2 and Gears of War in there lol

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#60  Edited By John_Matherson
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@John_Matherson:

No dumbfuck stop trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. I know your console didn't get any 10/10 exclusives last gen and that's ok. No need to be butthurt. And no MGS4 isn't a piece of shit...and you can't say you saying that is based on an impartial analysis...Wait...first of all...wtf part of opinions aren't facts do you not understand. You think it's piece of shit, GS thinks it's a 10/10 game. OK...here's an example of a FACT concerning MGS4. Maybe this will help you understand...

And there you go again assuming that because I don't like MGS4 that I'm automatically a die hard 360 fanboy that hates everything else. Did I not mention several times that SMG2 was one of my favorite games this past gen? Or did you have your head shoved so far up your ass that you missed that part?

I've owned a PS3, a Wii and a 360 since 2009. The only thing you can do at this point is cluck and scream 360 fanboy, because you have nothing else. It just proves my point that MGS fans are objectively the biggest group of mongoloids.

MGS4 IS ONLY ON THE PS3: FACT

Awesome, thankfully I've had a PS3 for nearly 5 years now so if I wanted to go back and play that piece of crap then I would. Hell if I wanted to play the entire shitty MGS Series I can go buy the Legacy collection, but I'd rather use my money to wipe my ass than spend it on that piece of crap.

MGS4 IS A CRAPPY GAME: OPINION

It's a fact to anyone with an IQ over 85.

Poor pacing, terrible abuse of plot devices, over reliance on shock value, crap characters, crap bosses. These are the makings of a bad game. If MGS4 got a 10/10 it makes it the most overrated game this gen.

Hideo Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of video games

These are facts, go ahead and scream opinions and scream 360 fanboy, cluck away, it's all you can do.

@the_bi99man said:

Wait a tick...

Did Johnny Meltdown say...

@John_Matherson said:

?

Hahahahaha glorious.

Didn't bother reading your crap. all you need to know is that your opinions are.just that. All I know is that you're just one of the reasons System Wars fell

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COOL OPINIONS BRO. NEXT TIME BLOG AND DON'T SPAM MY THREAD YOU FCKING.IDIOT.

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@John_Matherson:

No dumbfuck stop trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. I know your console didn't get any 10/10 exclusives last gen and that's ok. No need to be butthurt. And no MGS4 isn't a piece of shit...and you can't say you saying that is based on an impartial analysis...Wait...first of all...wtf part of opinions aren't facts do you not understand. You think it's piece of shit, GS thinks it's a 10/10 game. OK...here's an example of a FACT concerning MGS4. Maybe this will help you understand...

And there you go again assuming that because I don't like MGS4 that I'm automatically a die hard 360 fanboy that hates everything else. Did I not mention several times that SMG2 was one of my favorite games this past gen? Or did you have your head shoved so far up your ass that you missed that part?

I've owned a PS3, a Wii and a 360 since 2009. The only thing you can do at this point is cluck and scream 360 fanboy, because you have nothing else. It just proves my point that MGS fans are objectively the biggest group of mongoloids.

MGS4 IS ONLY ON THE PS3: FACT

Awesome, thankfully I've had a PS3 for nearly 5 years now so if I wanted to go back and play that piece of crap then I would. Hell if I wanted to play the entire shitty MGS Series I can go buy the Legacy collection, but I'd rather use my money to wipe my ass than spend it on that piece of crap.

MGS4 IS A CRAPPY GAME: OPINION

It's a fact to anyone with an IQ over 85.

Poor pacing, terrible abuse of plot devices, over reliance on shock value, crap characters, crap bosses. These are the makings of a bad game. If MGS4 got a 10/10 it makes it the most overrated game this gen.

Hideo Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of video games

These are facts, go ahead and scream opinions and scream 360 fanboy, cluck away, it's all you can do.

@the_bi99man said:

Wait a tick...

Did Johnny Meltdown say...

@John_Matherson said:

?

Hahahahaha glorious.

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#62  Edited By Renegade311
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@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

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@John_Matherson said:

COOL OPINIONS BRO. NEXT TIME BLOG AND DON'T SPAM MY THREAD YOU FCKING.IDIOT.

So... In summary...

Yeah. Thought so.

You know Johnny Meltdown, maybe if you didn't get emotional to the point of caps-lock screaming at people the very second that someone even begins to disagree with you, people would take your threads seriously, and not just assume that you're an emotionally unstable pre-teen with too much free time and not enough adult supervision.

inb4 you capslock scream at me, confirming that my analysis hit the nail on the head.

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Using IQ to determine the quality of a game? You sound pretty egotistical. The Metal Gear Series has it's flaws, but it's far from crap. This coming from someone that didn't love them all that much.

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@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

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@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

I love how you can tell from your sloppy typing that this is actually getting to you. You're pretty much trembling with rage right now, aren't you? Your sig is actually a self-portrait. Hahaha. Don't worry. When you grow up, you'll be able to control your emotions better. Your body is just going through changes right now, and it's natural to feel confused and afraid.

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#67  Edited By lostrib
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@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

Well you could always leave, then the number of idiots on the forum would go down by one

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@lostrib said:

@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

Well you could always leave, then the number of idiots on the forum would go down by one

Count it.

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@Zoso813 said:

Using IQ to determine the quality of a game? You sound pretty egotistical. The Metal Gear Series has it's flaws, but it's far from crap. This coming from someone that didn't love them all that much.

See if people would actually use this type of logic I might actually hold the series and it's fans in higher regard. The problem is most MGS fans are deluded into thinking MGS has a compelling story, is well written and to a latter extreme perfect.

So instead of admitting that their series has severe flaws, we get crap like this.

@Mozelleple112 said:

Dumbass 360 fanboy still mad about PS3's 10/10 GOTY(G) winning exclusive?

MGS4 is possibly the best game ever made, let alone of this generation. Deserves top spot on this list.

And it's post like these why I consider MGS fans to be the same kids who ate paste in school.

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@lostrib said:

@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

Well you could always leave, then the number of idiots on the forum would go down by one

Lmao keep pretending you're not a useless troll lostrib

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@renegade311 said:

@Zoso813 said:

Using IQ to determine the quality of a game? You sound pretty egotistical. The Metal Gear Series has it's flaws, but it's far from crap. This coming from someone that didn't love them all that much.

See if people would actually use this type of logic I might actually hold the series and it's fans in higher regard. The problem is most MGS fans are deluded into thinking MGS has a compelling story, is well written and to a latter extreme perfect.

So instead of admitting that their series has severe flaws, we get crap like this.

@Mozelleple112 said:

Dumbass 360 fanboy still mad about PS3's 10/10 GOTY(G) winning exclusive?

MGS4 is possibly the best game ever made, let alone of this generation. Deserves top spot on this list.

And it's post like these why I consider MGS fans to be the same kids who ate paste in school.

Admitting? You should try admitting you're a dumb troll who doesn't know the difference between facts and opinions

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#72 Renegade311
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@John_Matherson: Dude you're embarrassing yourself. Grow a few years older, hit puberty preferably and maybe you can post on this forum without having half the thread laughing at you.

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@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Dude you're embarrassing yourself. Grow a few years older, hit puberty preferably and maybe you can post on this forum without having half the thread laughing at you.

I'm embarrassing myself? lol you say I'm embarrassing myself while also telling me to grow older. Guessing you and irony aren't best friends. Half of the thread are backwards idiots so no don't really care.

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#74  Edited By lostrib
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@John_Matherson said:

@lostrib said:

@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: Concession accepted, facts are facts, #caseclosed

The amount of.idiots in.this forum.is amazing. Dude, I.seriously can't trek.if you're messing with me or if you're.just completely lost

Well you could always leave, then the number of idiots on the forum would go down by one

Lmao keep pretending you're not a useless troll lostrib

Hey! I'm only a useless troll on days that end in y.

You take shit way too seriously.

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@renegade311: Youre an idiot

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#76  Edited By Minishdriveby
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I recently played the entire MGS series with the legacy collection. MGS4 was a turd on an otherwise pretty good series of games.

Although I can see why it's on Kotaku's list, people love to eat that shit up.

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@renegade311 said:

@Zoso813 said:

Using IQ to determine the quality of a game? You sound pretty egotistical. The Metal Gear Series has it's flaws, but it's far from crap. This coming from someone that didn't love them all that much.

See if people would actually use this type of logic I might actually hold the series and it's fans in higher regard. The problem is most MGS fans are deluded into thinking MGS has a compelling story, is well written and to a latter extreme perfect.

So instead of admitting that their series has severe flaws, we get crap like this.

@Mozelleple112 said:

Dumbass 360 fanboy still mad about PS3's 10/10 GOTY(G) winning exclusive?

MGS4 is possibly the best game ever made, let alone of this generation. Deserves top spot on this list.

And it's post like these why I consider MGS fans to be the same kids who ate paste in school.

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

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#78  Edited By DarkLink77
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Far Cry 2 and Skyrim do not deserve to be there. Halo 3 is a glaring omission considering most series have stolen from the way it did map creator, screenshots, and theater mode.

Otherwise, it's acceptable.

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@treedoor said:

Games like Halo 3, TF2, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, etc. should be on the list

Games like Final Fantasy XIII, Burnout, Far Cry 2, Fifa, Madden, etc. should not

But I never expect good things from Kotaku, so I am not disappoint by this list.

FFXIII should be there, not because is good or bad (personally i thought it was good) but because it was a huge event back in the days, and whether people liked it or not, it was a landmark in the generation. However i would take out FIFA and/or Madden and put The Walking Dead and Starcraft 2, but other than that, i think is a pretty fair list.

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It has hits and misses. I didn't know Braid 2 was a thing though. Did it go straight to DVD?

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@Mozelleple112 said:

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Bragging about your IQ to try to negate MGS being made for stupid people. So insecure, anyone can make up BS about their IQ, the fact that you actually though this would convince anyone is more evidence that you're an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you're a complete moron. I don't think the series is made for stupid people, I know it is, because only an idiot would consider MGS sophisticated when one of the running gags in the series is chronic diarrhea, I guess watching people dump loads in their pants, a monkey wearing a diaper, black stereo types and Raiden running around naked at the end of MGS2 most all be the pinnacle of sophistication amirite?

MGS is story driven but it doesn't change the fact that the premise of the story as well as the pacing are a complete turd, especially in MGS4 which was rushed and attempted to tie up all loose ends with a plot device. One of the few redeeming qualities of this series was that the bosses in the first 3 MGS games were somewhat entertaining and unique even though they were cartoon characters. MGS4 managed to f*ck this up by introducing some of the WORST bosses, the BB corps were beyond lame, and what was even more pathetic was trying to give them a lame back story.

How about the constant abuse of shock value in the game? In almost every MGS game the protagonist was needed alive and was revealed at the end of the game to be part of the antagonist master plan? MGS1 Snake was needed alive to activate REX using the PAL Codes. MGS2 The Patriots wanted Raiden alive. MGS4 Snake was needed alive to upload Foxalive.

Give me a f*cking break. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. The biggest injustice here is idiots thinking that MGS is actually a well written series when Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of the video game industry.

It's a series designed to appeal to stupid people, and you're living, breathing evidence of this. If the MGS fan would just admit that the series is poorly written, poorly paced and that Kojima is a no talentless hack, but that MGS has a certain charm that appeals to them, the fanboys may be held in higher regard, but this delusion of MGS being well written is just more evidence that MGS fans were the same kids in remedial classes.

The only skirt you can hide behind is Gamespot and IGN giving the game a 10, good for you. The game on Metacritics has a 94 which doesn't even make it the highest rated game this past gen. The only thing you've shown is it's the most overrated game this past gen.

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@renegade311 said:

@Mozelleple112 said:

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Bragging about your IQ to try to negate MGS being made for stupid people. So insecure, anyone can make up BS about their IQ, the fact that you actually though this would convince anyone is more evidence that you're an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you're a complete moron. I don't think the series is made for stupid people, I know it is, because only an idiot would consider MGS sophisticated when one of the running gags in the series is chronic diarrhea, I guess watching people dump loads in their pants, a monkey wearing a diaper, black stereo types and Raiden running around naked at the end of MGS2 most all be the pinnacle of sophistication amirite?

MGS is story driven but it doesn't change the fact that the premise of the story as well as the pacing are a complete turd, especially in MGS4 which was rushed and attempted to tie up all loose ends with a plot device. One of the few redeeming qualities of this series was that the bosses in the first 3 MGS games were somewhat entertaining and unique even though they were cartoon characters. MGS4 managed to f*ck this up by introducing some of the WORST bosses, the BB corps were beyond lame, and what was even more pathetic was trying to give them a lame back story.

How about the constant abuse of shock value in the game? In almost every MGS game the protagonist was needed alive and was revealed at the end of the game to be part of the antagonist master plan? MGS1 Snake was needed alive to activate REX using the PAL Codes. MGS2 The Patriots wanted Raiden alive. MGS4 Snake was needed alive to upload Foxalive.

Give me a f*cking break. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. The biggest injustice here is idiots thinking that MGS is actually a well written series when Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of the video game industry.

It's a series designed to appeal to stupid people, and you're living, breathing evidence of this. If the MGS fan would just admit that the series is poorly written, poorly paced and that Kojima is a no talentless hack, but that MGS has a certain charm that appeals to them, the fanboys may be held in higher regard, but this delusion of MGS being well written is just more evidence that MGS fans were the same kids in remedial classes.

The only skirt you can hide behind is Gamespot and IGN giving the game a 10, good for you. The game on Metacritics has a 94 which doesn't even make it the highest rated game this past gen. The only thing you've shown is it's the most overrated game this past gen.

DEAL WITH IT
DEAL WITH IT

Man, you are one crazed up fruit loop. I think you've had enough internet for a year. Go sit in the corner and think about how much of a butthurt idiot you are.

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@John_Matherson: LMAO You're still trying to rub that in my face as if I gave two shits. I already told you several times that the other 10/10 exclusive is one of my favorite games this past gen.

Zero ground to stand on, go have another meltdown so the entire thread can laugh at you again.

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@lostrib: This, Far Cry 2 wanted to be what Spec Ops is. It didn't reach that goal due to its poor execution.

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@renegade311 said:

@John_Matherson: LMAO You're still trying to rub that in my face as if I gave two shits. I already told you several times that the other 10/10 exclusive is one of my favorite games this past gen.

Zero ground to stand on, go have another meltdown so the entire thread can laugh at you again.

LMAO!! So cute.

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Where the heck is WoW?!

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@John_Matherson: LMAO You're still trying to rub that in my face as if I gave two shits. I already told you several times that the other 10/10 exclusive is one of my favorite games this past gen.

Zero ground to stand on, go have another meltdown so the entire thread can laugh at you again.

LMAO!! So cute.

LMFAO Meltdown, don't worry, puberty will come soon enough for you.

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@Mozelleple112 said:

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Bragging about your IQ to try to negate MGS being made for stupid people. So insecure, anyone can make up BS about their IQ, the fact that you actually though this would convince anyone is more evidence that you're an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you're a complete moron. I don't think the series is made for stupid people, I know it is, because only an idiot would consider MGS sophisticated when one of the running gags in the series is chronic diarrhea, I guess watching people dump loads in their pants, a monkey wearing a diaper, black stereo types and Raiden running around naked at the end of MGS2 most all be the pinnacle of sophistication amirite?

MGS is story driven but it doesn't change the fact that the premise of the story as well as the pacing are a complete turd, especially in MGS4 which was rushed and attempted to tie up all loose ends with a plot device. One of the few redeeming qualities of this series was that the bosses in the first 3 MGS games were somewhat entertaining and unique even though they were cartoon characters. MGS4 managed to f*ck this up by introducing some of the WORST bosses, the BB corps were beyond lame, and what was even more pathetic was trying to give them a lame back story.

How about the constant abuse of shock value in the game? In almost every MGS game the protagonist was needed alive and was revealed at the end of the game to be part of the antagonist master plan? MGS1 Snake was needed alive to activate REX using the PAL Codes. MGS2 The Patriots wanted Raiden alive. MGS4 Snake was needed alive to upload Foxalive.

Give me a f*cking break. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. The biggest injustice here is idiots thinking that MGS is actually a well written series when Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of the video game industry.

It's a series designed to appeal to stupid people, and you're living, breathing evidence of this. If the MGS fan would just admit that the series is poorly written, poorly paced and that Kojima is a no talentless hack, but that MGS has a certain charm that appeals to them, the fanboys may be held in higher regard, but this delusion of MGS being well written is just more evidence that MGS fans were the same kids in remedial classes.

The only skirt you can hide behind is Gamespot and IGN giving the game a 10, good for you. The game on Metacritics has a 94 which doesn't even make it the highest rated game this past gen. The only thing you've shown is it's the most overrated game this past gen.

I recently started playing the MGS series on 360 through the hd collection. Loved MGS2, loved MGS3 even more. I have been hearing a lot of the same old Kojima can't write crap. I just don't see it. The plots of MGS are very intricate and well detailed. They mix realism with a touch of fantasy, but even the fantastical elements tend to have some meaningful connection to reality. MGS is one of the few military franchises that is about a bunch of white people killing thousands of foreigners for "murica." While the player is sometimes put up against foreigners, they are also put up against Americans and the foreigner killing doesn't lead to epic "murica!!!!" moments. Instead, the main character struggles with many moral concepts a lot of the time and sees the harmful effects of major mations and their wars. We see the dangers of the future's technology, and we don't just see what said technology is capable of, but we even see what it does to our humanity. We see how wars also lead to the usage of scientists and soldiers as mere disposable tools used to meet the ends of those with power. Kojima has clearly researched a lot of stuff about military tech and has clearly watched a lot of anti-war films. What is also great about the series is able to infuse these heavy themes with great, intense action movie scenarios found in CoD, Medal of Honor, and other action games. I am currently playing through the series and all I can say is that Kojima is probably one of the greatest men in the industry and deserves a lot of the fanfare he gets. He is a great designer and storywriter.

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@Link3301: Came out in 2004. A bit too early.

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@Mozelleple112 said:

@renegade311 said:

@Zoso813 said:

Using IQ to determine the quality of a game? You sound pretty egotistical. The Metal Gear Series has it's flaws, but it's far from crap. This coming from someone that didn't love them all that much.

See if people would actually use this type of logic I might actually hold the series and it's fans in higher regard. The problem is most MGS fans are deluded into thinking MGS has a compelling story, is well written and to a latter extreme perfect.

So instead of admitting that their series has severe flaws, we get crap like this.

@Mozelleple112 said:

Dumbass 360 fanboy still mad about PS3's 10/10 GOTY(G) winning exclusive?

MGS4 is possibly the best game ever made, let alone of this generation. Deserves top spot on this list.

And it's post like these why I consider MGS fans to be the same kids who ate paste in school.

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Spot on and appreciated for those of us who don't have the paitence to spell it out for this twit.

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@casharmy: I take it you have the same obsession with diarrhea that Kojima and most of the MGS fanbase do.

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LMAO....Look at all you crying. It already happened. Awards already given, reviews already posted...MOVED ON

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@Link3301: Kojima has a lot of good ideas in terms of story - he actually has things like themes and stuff, which puts his stuff well ahead of most of what else passes for story in this medium. But he certainly isn't a very 'economic' writer, hence the "Metal Gear?!" jokes.

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I recently started playing the MGS series on 360 through the hd collection. Loved MGS2, loved MGS3 even more. I have been hearing a lot of the same old Kojima can't write crap. I just don't see it. The plots of MGS are very intricate and well detailed. They mix realism with a touch of fantasy, but even the fantastical elements tend to have some meaningful connection to reality. MGS is one of the few military franchises that is about a bunch of white people killing thousands of foreigners for "murica." While the player is sometimes put up against foreigners, they are also put up against Americans and the foreigner killing doesn't lead to epic "murica!!!!" moments. Instead, the main character struggles with many moral concepts a lot of the time and sees the harmful effects of major mations and their wars. We see the dangers of the future's technology, and we don't just see what said technology is capable of, but we even see what it does to our humanity. We see how wars also lead to the usage of scientists and soldiers as mere disposable tools used to meet the ends of those with power. Kojima has clearly researched a lot of stuff about military tech and has clearly watched a lot of anti-war films. What is also great about the series is able to infuse these heavy themes with great, intense action movie scenarios found in CoD, Medal of Honor, and other action games. I am currently playing through the series and all I can say is that Kojima is probably one of the greatest men in the industry and deserves a lot of the fanfare he gets. He is a great designer and storywriter.

If you don't see then I suggest educating yourself on the fundamentals of writing and story telling. If plots in MGS are very intricate, why is there a heavy reliance on shock value in MGS? Why is it at the end of every MGS title there's some big revelation that DOESN'T tie in well with the story?

MGS1 = Liquid needed Snake alive to use the PAL to active REX.

MGS2 = Patriots wanted Raiden alive, Solidus is revealed to be Raiden's adoptive father which does nothing to serve the plot

MGS3 = The Boss was revealed to be a double agent who was only pretending to betray Murica, EVA turns out to be a double agent and runs off with the Philosophers Legacy

MGS4 = FOXAlive

MGS Had a touch of fantasy that worked well for the first few games, then it all went to sh*t in MGS4 when everything in the entire series was retconned with nanomachines. This alone took Kojima from being mediocre and bumped him down to being an awful writer when he heavily abused a plot device because he couldn't think of any other creative way to tie up any loose ends or even better, leave some loose ends untouched and add a sense of mystery to the series and some of the characters., No, he just said blah blah nanomachines blah.

Now MGS has some redeeming qualities. Some instances like the end of MGS2 where Raiden couldn't tell what was real and what was fake, the way the game messes with you and tells you to turn off the game. That was actually very well done. Of course the game also had some intriguing boss fights such as Psycho Mantis and the Sorrow.

As this series progressed the redeeming qualities started to deteriorate. Liquid and Solidus were actually fun, albeit goofy cartoonist villains, but were villains that were enjoyable. Then we get to MGS3, the Boss [even though not a true villain] and Volgin were both awful as antagonist and as characters in general. No redeeming qualities in either character and as the game progressed you just wanted to get the end of the game and kill them even faster. Although MGS3 still had some fun boss fights including the Sorrow. The series at this point is clearly past it's prime.

What else did you mention? The dangers of future technology? How wars can use scientist and soldiers as disposable pawns? You realize this has been going on throughout the history of mankind right? This isn't some unique concept that Kojima thought of, and it certainly isn't something you need to play MGS to realize. Not only that, this idea isn't even well implemented in the series. I don't have any issue with the use or emphasis of real life concepts in a game if they are well implemented. In MGS1 we here several times about how war is bad, war is evil, war is the devil etc. In MGS3 before the last fight, the Boss rambles for 20 minutes about how war is bad, war is evil etc.

And what happens next? MGS4 there's a massive surge of paramilitary companies that rise up, thousands of soldiers being injected with Kojima's plot device aka nano machines. The themes of MGS are the dangers of war and technology, so in the climax lets make war and technology even bigger and more obvious, because we haven't talked about evil the two are in the previous games. Brilliant Kojima!!

How about the way the series constantly insults your intelligence? Two words for you, Liquid Ocelot, In MGS2 it was implied that Ocelot was being possessed by Liquid since he had Liquid's arm. Nope, then it was implied that Liquid was possessing Ocelot through nano machines, try again, we get this absurd explanation that Ocelot using nanomachines to trick the Patriots into thinking he was Ocelot.

Now I'm going to be fair and assume that Kojima didn't plan on making four games and had trouble tying up all loose ends. A good example is how Dr Clark was original a man in MGS1, and in MGS4 when it turns out that it was the Paramedic from MGS3 so he was really a woman. You can tell that poor planning came into affect when making these games and assuming each one was going to be the last one.

Does Kojima have some good idea's? Sure, and some of them actually worked well. Was he ambitious? Absolutely.

Is Kojima a good writer? Hell no, if he can't even implement or even understand the fundamentals of pacing, exposition, climax and character development, is over reliant on shock value and had to use a plot device to tie up loose ends then he truly is the M Night Shymalan of video games. He's a perfect example of good idea bad execution.

Is MGS a good series? I can see the certain charm that may appeal to people, in combination of fun boss fights and some interesting moments why it has a fanbase.

Is it a pinnacle of amazing story telling that the idiot fan boys claim it is? Not even close. It's claims like these that make me loathe the entire fan base. MGS4 isn't the best game this gen, it's not even in the top 20. People will constantly remind me how it has a 10 on this site, it just makes the game the most overrated piece of crap to come out in the past decade.

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@renegade311 said:

@Mozelleple112 said:

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Bragging about your IQ to try to negate MGS being made for stupid people. So insecure, anyone can make up BS about their IQ, the fact that you actually though this would convince anyone is more evidence that you're an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you're a complete moron. I don't think the series is made for stupid people, I know it is, because only an idiot would consider MGS sophisticated when one of the running gags in the series is chronic diarrhea, I guess watching people dump loads in their pants, a monkey wearing a diaper, black stereo types and Raiden running around naked at the end of MGS2 most all be the pinnacle of sophistication amirite?

MGS is story driven but it doesn't change the fact that the premise of the story as well as the pacing are a complete turd, especially in MGS4 which was rushed and attempted to tie up all loose ends with a plot device. One of the few redeeming qualities of this series was that the bosses in the first 3 MGS games were somewhat entertaining and unique even though they were cartoon characters. MGS4 managed to f*ck this up by introducing some of the WORST bosses, the BB corps were beyond lame, and what was even more pathetic was trying to give them a lame back story.

How about the constant abuse of shock value in the game? In almost every MGS game the protagonist was needed alive and was revealed at the end of the game to be part of the antagonist master plan? MGS1 Snake was needed alive to activate REX using the PAL Codes. MGS2 The Patriots wanted Raiden alive. MGS4 Snake was needed alive to upload Foxalive.

Give me a f*cking break. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. The biggest injustice here is idiots thinking that MGS is actually a well written series when Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of the video game industry.

It's a series designed to appeal to stupid people, and you're living, breathing evidence of this. If the MGS fan would just admit that the series is poorly written, poorly paced and that Kojima is a no talentless hack, but that MGS has a certain charm that appeals to them, the fanboys may be held in higher regard, but this delusion of MGS being well written is just more evidence that MGS fans were the same kids in remedial classes.

The only skirt you can hide behind is Gamespot and IGN giving the game a 10, good for you. The game on Metacritics has a 94 which doesn't even make it the highest rated game this past gen. The only thing you've shown is it's the most overrated game this past gen.

I already knew you were a complete f***ng retard, so I quickly took MENSA's home test to show my score, knowing it would post similar results. At home I have proof that I am officially accepted as part of an elite intelligence group (99th percentile, 135> IQ) on this test I had to drive to the capital and pay for the diploma (and be supervised by officials to make you don't cheat)

But MENSA also has a home test which is +/- the same as the one you take to officially become a member.

Minimum requirement (132 IQ = 98 percentile)

Here's the result:

There you go you stupid sh!t. Don't you dare even TRYING to insult my intelligence when I am among the most intelligent percentile on the planet. That's like calling a bodybuilder a scrawn, or calling a CEO poor.

This time I got 133IQ = 98.6 percentile which means I among the 1.4% smartest people. There can be a thousand users on GS and only 13 are smarter than me (statistically). But officially (as taken in MENSA, Oslo) my IQ is 135+ because once you reach over 135 not even MENSA can accurately measure IQ. Back in the day (1980s) my dad scored 142 iq which at the time was 99.xx percentile which is why I became a member too.

I could bet anything that a degenerate like you with inferior intelligence is in the sub-100 IQ (below 50 percentile) range

But hey! I play Metal Gear, a franchise you don't like, so that probably invalidates it right? :(

Still butthurt about MGS4 being the only game in history to score a perfect 10 on the big 4?

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@Mozelleple112:

There are two major factors at play here that prove, without a shadow of a doubt that you are an idiot.

1. You actually paid the 18$ to take the MENSA Home test in some poor attempt to actually disprove anything I've stated. With that fictional IQ of yours you could of, and for free I might add, counter some of the points I made about why the series is abysmal, but instead out of what is massive insecurity you decided to fork over nearly 20 dollars to try and to fail to prove a point.

Not only have you proven yourself to be a mongoloid but an incredible shallow, insecure mongoloid.

2. This statement you made

Still butthurt about MGS4 being the only game in history to score a perfect 10 on the big 4?

Big 4? I assume you mean 360/PS3/Wii and PC?

http://www.gamespot.com/super-mario-galaxy-2/

Well we know that theory is out the window, there was also GTA4 but I thought that game was crap too, just that the fanbase isn't full of idiots like the MGS fanbase is.

Also MGS4 only has a 94 on metacritic where Galaxy 2 has a 97

What else? Assume that I'm a die hard 360 fanboy even though I own all next gen consoles, a PC, a DS and have owned a 360 WIi and PS3 since 2009? Go ahead, it's the only thing you can do. You certainly can't counter the factual statements I've made about the degraded quality of the series so all you can do is cluck like a chicken and scream Xbox fanboy, because it's not like there's any fans of other systems that think the game is a steaming pile of crap /sarcasm

In a pathetic attempt to disprove my statement of the average MGS fan being fed lead flavored baby formula, you've done nothing but further solidify my point of view. Thank you for proving me right again :)

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@John_Matherson said:

@renegade311 said:

@Midnightshade29 said:

@renegade311 said:

Good list, except MGS4, That game was f*cking trash

Good list, except Gears of war. That game was f*cking trash

And why are you telling me this? Let me guess, because MGS4 is objectively garbage and I pointed it out, you must assume that I hate the PS3 and that I must by default be a lem who's obsessed with Gears and Halo right?

I love narrow minded deluded idiots like yourself

No because you stupidly stated your opinion as a fact and he decided to show you he can do that too. Don't start stupid back-and-forths in my thread.

I don't see what was objective about stating MGS4 was trash?

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@cainetao11 said:

I don't see what was objective about stating MGS4 was trash?

You mean beside the fact that the game is objectively trash? Story was poorly written, poorly paced, bosses were lame, and a single plot device was used to tie up as many loose ends as possible indicating lazy writing.

These aren't opinions. These are the results of an impartial analysis

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@renegade311 said:

@cainetao11 said:

I don't see what was objective about stating MGS4 was trash?

You mean beside the fact that the game is objectively trash? Story was poorly written, poorly paced, bosses were lame, and a single plot device was used to tie up as many loose ends as possible indicating lazy writing.

These aren't opinions. These are the results of an impartial analysis

How the **** do you manage to not know what an opinion is? Anybody (you, in this case) who thinks "bosses were lame" is not an opinion is a tard.

And why in the world should anybody believe that you are impartial?

Anyway, as interesting a storyteller as Kojima is, his fanboys do have rather low standards since they call him a great storyteller. The things Kojima gets away with in this medium would be torn apart by book and movie critics.

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@Mozelleple112 said:

@renegade311 said:

@Mozelleple112 said:

The very fact that you try to use IQ as a determination for game choice is absolutely pathetic. Few (if any) games actually challenge you mentally. And you can try to make up paste eating comments all you want, but according to MENSA (a high-IQ society of which I am officially a member) I am the among the one percent. Also means my IQ is immeasurable at 135> (greater than the 99th percentile) and guess what? I love Metal Gear. That proves your theory wrong.

Everything you say about Metal Gear is literally the polar opposite. For example, you are ignorant enough to believe that it is for stupid people, yet its fanbase consists of generally more sophisticated people than the casuals that play COD, Halo, Fifa, Madden and so on. Its story driven and has a heavy-handed narrative that requires patience, thought, comprehension and cognitive development. More so than most games anyways. It is easy for the degenerates (such as yourself) that can't follow that trail of thought to disregard the quality of the games. Don't blame your lack of processing capacity on the games, reviews like GS & IGN and countless others that gave it perfect 10s agree.

Bragging about your IQ to try to negate MGS being made for stupid people. So insecure, anyone can make up BS about their IQ, the fact that you actually though this would convince anyone is more evidence that you're an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you're a complete moron. I don't think the series is made for stupid people, I know it is, because only an idiot would consider MGS sophisticated when one of the running gags in the series is chronic diarrhea, I guess watching people dump loads in their pants, a monkey wearing a diaper, black stereo types and Raiden running around naked at the end of MGS2 most all be the pinnacle of sophistication amirite?

MGS is story driven but it doesn't change the fact that the premise of the story as well as the pacing are a complete turd, especially in MGS4 which was rushed and attempted to tie up all loose ends with a plot device. One of the few redeeming qualities of this series was that the bosses in the first 3 MGS games were somewhat entertaining and unique even though they were cartoon characters. MGS4 managed to f*ck this up by introducing some of the WORST bosses, the BB corps were beyond lame, and what was even more pathetic was trying to give them a lame back story.

How about the constant abuse of shock value in the game? In almost every MGS game the protagonist was needed alive and was revealed at the end of the game to be part of the antagonist master plan? MGS1 Snake was needed alive to activate REX using the PAL Codes. MGS2 The Patriots wanted Raiden alive. MGS4 Snake was needed alive to upload Foxalive.

Give me a f*cking break. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. The biggest injustice here is idiots thinking that MGS is actually a well written series when Kojima is the M Night Shymalan of the video game industry.

It's a series designed to appeal to stupid people, and you're living, breathing evidence of this. If the MGS fan would just admit that the series is poorly written, poorly paced and that Kojima is a no talentless hack, but that MGS has a certain charm that appeals to them, the fanboys may be held in higher regard, but this delusion of MGS being well written is just more evidence that MGS fans were the same kids in remedial classes.

The only skirt you can hide behind is Gamespot and IGN giving the game a 10, good for you. The game on Metacritics has a 94 which doesn't even make it the highest rated game this past gen. The only thing you've shown is it's the most overrated game this past gen.

I already knew you were a complete f***ng retard, so I quickly took MENSA's home test to show my score, knowing it would post similar results. At home I have proof that I am officially accepted as part of an elite intelligence group (99th percentile, 135> IQ) on this test I had to drive to the capital and pay for the diploma (and be supervised by officials to make you don't cheat)

But MENSA also has a home test which is +/- the same as the one you take to officially become a member.

Minimum requirement (132 IQ = 98 percentile)

Here's the result:

There you go you stupid sh!t. Don't you dare even TRYING to insult my intelligence when I am among the most intelligent percentile on the planet. That's like calling a bodybuilder a scrawn, or calling a CEO poor.

This time I got 133IQ = 98.6 percentile which means I among the 1.4% smartest people. There can be a thousand users on GS and only 13 are smarter than me (statistically). But officially (as taken in MENSA, Oslo) my IQ is 135+ because once you reach over 135 not even MENSA can accurately measure IQ. Back in the day (1980s) my dad scored 142 iq which at the time was 99.xx percentile which is why I became a member too.

I could bet anything that a degenerate like you with inferior intelligence is in the sub-100 IQ (below 50 percentile) range

But hey! I play Metal Gear, a franchise you don't like, so that probably invalidates it right? :(

Still butthurt about MGS4 being the only game in history to score a perfect 10 on the big 4?

This post is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen on System Wars.