Kotaku shows Anti-PS3 bias once again (56k Warning)

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

Another shocking instance of Kotaku not properly fact-checking the stories they run with.

It's not quite as bad as that time they took a CAG blog post (created to show that video game blogs will run any rumor, no matter how thinly sourced) about a fake 360 redesign and ran it, then got angry because they were intentionally duped. Still, it shows the same lack of professionalism.

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

TreyoftheDead

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] So like i said from the beginning, i'll go with occam's razor for now and simply take this as Kotaku being duped by a bad video, as they have been PLENTY of other times, as opposed to them demonstrating their evil secret intentions to undermine a piece of electronics. And just because a person posts similar views does not mean that they did not read the OP, or that they are a fanboy. Let's be civil. Ninja-Hippo

I doubt there's some secret agenda.

But the lack of teh conspiracy doesn't preclude bias in reporting. Sensationalism is in itself a form of bias anyway, and I don't know whether many would dispute that some of these stories are relatively sensationalist.

I would say all journalism has some degree of bias, but that good journalism tries it's hardest to set it aside.

At the very least it's poor reporting, for not checking sources. And Kotaku should get well-deserved flak for that.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

KarateeeChop

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

KarateeeChop

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

EdenProxy

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

you have no proof

At the very least it's poor reporting, for not checking sources. And Kotaku should get well-deserved flak for that.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

wut.

I see no bias there. They posted an article, when their readers pointed out that it may be a fabrication, they added a note and said that it may indeed be a fake. Why do certain Sony fans feel the need to turn into a bunch of Fox Mulders whenever someone says or prints something that may be constured as a negative comment against the PS3, even though there is usually no evidence to back those claims up? It's silly. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft fans, hell, even PC fans (who have more to complain about with MS's recent treatment of the PC), jumping at every single negative comment as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy against their plastic toy of choice.

The Kotaku writer meant one thing and one thing only with that line, that they were allowing readers to decide whether or not the video was accurate. They were not participating in some website-wide conspiracy to snidely insult the PS3 at every chance.

In fact, I'm sure that if you were to go through their back catalog you would find a plethora of articles that completely lacked any sort of negativity towards the system.

Please remove the tin foil hats and listen to Agent Scully for once.

TintedEyes

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

I hate "this fanboy group is worse than this one" because they are all bad vut . . . . in this Particular area, Sony fans have a tendacy to take offense a little too much.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

that's because sony fanboys tend to be more, um, devoted.

KarateeeChop

you have no proof

No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2EdenProxy

I'd say stuff like this is case of poor professionalism rather than blatant bias against the PS3. Kotaku just jumps at every story they can without really taking the time to actually verify the source.

If someone posted video of Halo Reach having a long load time, I'm sure they would post that too.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2EdenProxy

you have no proof

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

you have no proof

Ninja-Hippo

Can we really speak of the high ethical standards of journalism when dealing with a video games blog? I mean it's not the New York Times. Ninja-Hippo

Each should really be held accountable in their own realm of reporting. It's obviously not as significant if a gaming site gets things wrong, but expecting proper notice of errata isn't really unreasonable.

His comment was " you have no proof" My comment was "yes I do go back a few pages"

EdenProxy

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Can we really speak of the high ethical standards of journalism when dealing with a video games blog? I mean it's not the New York Times. shinrabanshou

Each should really be held accountable in their own realm of reporting. It's obviously not as significant if a gaming site gets things wrong, but expecting proper notice of errata isn't really unreasonable.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2EdenProxy

you have no proof

1. as Ninja already pointed out, i never denied that the video is fake.

2. so where's your proof to support your claim that Kotaku did it same thing with mgs4, home and uncharted 2? why are you so reluctant to back up your claim? did you make it up?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Can we really speak of the high ethical standards of journalism when dealing with a video games blog? I mean it's not the New York Times. shinrabanshou

Each should really be held accountable in their own realm of reporting. It's obviously not as significant if a gaming site gets things wrong, but expecting proper notice of errata isn't really unreasonable.

I don't know though, Kotaku is a blog is it not? I know a blog should work to posted what may be fake things but in the perspective of simply posting info I don't see why they have to be excessive in fact checking. The point of these gaming blogs of to compile tons of gaming news in one place, if they thoroughly fact check it all they would be far less effective. Its not like this is IGN or something.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

His comment was " you have no proof" My comment was "yes I do go back a few pages"

Ninja-Hippo

Me: This has happened before with other ps3 news

Him: You have no proof

me: yes I do go back a few pages, and learn about kotakus past probs with other ps3 new, this video is fake.

People are getting way too riled up about this. Yeah, Kokatu screwed up in an obvious way, and seems reticent to admit it. Who does that hurt? Sony? Polyphony Digital? No and no. The story was exposed almost instantly for what it was, and maybe I'm being naive, but I don't see this hurting sales. More likely, it hurts Kokatu's reputation with the minority that views them as a journalistic site.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

His comment was " you have no proof" My comment was "yes I do go back a few pages"

EdenProxy

Link me to these "issues", I want to see them.

Kotaku sucks anyway, too many editorials not enough news. Joystiq is 100 times better.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] His comment was 'you have no proof that Kotaku is biased.' Your comment was 'the video is obviously fake!' Nobody said otherwise. >_>ActicEdge

Link me to these "issues", I want to see them.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

His comment was " you have no proof" My comment was "yes I do go back a few pages"

EdenProxy

Me: This has happened before with other ps3 news

Him: You have no proof

me: yes I do go back a few pages, and learn about kotakus past probs with other ps3 new, this video is fake.

oh, but that's not what you said :lol:

EdenProxy, "No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2"

so where's that proof?

you know, it can be quite dangerous to make empty (that's euphemismfor false, just so you know) claims.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] His comment was 'you have no proof that Kotaku is biased.' Your comment was 'the video is obviously fake!' Nobody said otherwise. >_>KarateeeChop

Me: This has happened before with other ps3 news

Him: You have no proof

me: yes I do go back a few pages, and learn about kotakus past probs with other ps3 new, this video is fake.

oh, but that's not what you said :lol:

EdenProxy, "No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2"

so where's that proof?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] No his comment was just "you have no proof" as a response to me talking about about Kotakus similar mess ups with Home, Mgs4 and Uncharted2EdenProxy

Link me to these "issues", I want to see them.

you have all 4 of those issue linked in this thread?

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] No his comment was just "you have no proof" as a response to me talking about about Kotakus similar mess ups with Home, Mgs4 and Uncharted2

Me: This has happened before with other ps3 news

Him: You have no proof

me: yes I do go back a few pages, and learn about kotakus past probs with other ps3 new, this video is fake.

EdenProxy

oh, but that's not what you said :lol:

EdenProxy, "No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2"

so where's that proof?

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] No his comment was just "you have no proof" as a response to me talking about about Kotakus similar mess ups with Home, Mgs4 and Uncharted2

Me: This has happened before with other ps3 news

Him: You have no proof

me: yes I do go back a few pages, and learn about kotakus past probs with other ps3 new, this video is fake.

EdenProxy

oh, but that's not what you said :lol:

EdenProxy, "No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2"

so where's that proof?

except nobody sees that imaginary link of yours.

it's not too late to admit that you made it up just to make Kotaku look bad.

No not at all. They should absolutely admit when they messed up, but we have to realize that they're not even journalists. It's not like it's a professional news site. It's just a blog. They post rumors and wild speculation all the time. We can't hold them to high journalistic standards because they don't even hold themselves up to those standards. Ninja-Hippo

I don't know though, Kotaku is a blog is it not? I know a blog should work to posted what may be fake things but in the perspective of simply posting info I don't see why they have to be excessive in fact checking. The point of these gaming blogs of to compile tons of gaming news in one place, if they thoroughly fact check it all they would be far less effective. Its not like this is IGN or something.

ActicEdge

But while it is a blog, it is still a distributor of news to gamers - the potential consumers of GT5.

While rumors and speculation are posted, I'd expect them to be indicated as such.
While errors are bound and they may not necessarily factcheck as thoroughly as one would hope, one would expect them to either pull a false story or indicate an error properly when it's been shown.

A headline that still reads "Video Shows Gran Turismo 5 Has Painfully Slow Load Times" and an erratum "Some readers have pointed out that this video may be slowed to give the appearance of longer load times. Make of it what you will!" questioning the veracity of the claim of error, is poor reporting even by gaming site standards, imo.

And one should be able to see how this could negatively impact the image of GT5.

If they have created a perception of bias, then that's a bed of their own making, and as I said before they deserve whatever flak they get, and I don't see the point in defending them. (although I've no issue with those who do deem it necessary to)

Maybe I just have unrealistic expectations though.

:roll: something showing a weakness in a ps3 game=360 bias.

thats all thats been shown here.
Is the video slowed? there is evidence.
is the video fake? no evidence has been shown.

It could be the method by which is was recorded but then again...wheres the original video, showing the often said by cows milisecond load times gt5 will have?

just to make Kotaku look bad.KarateeeChop

http://www.gamenewser.net/?p=122

Interesting read

TintedEyes

:roll: something showing a weakness in a ps3 game=360 bias.

thats all thats been shown here.
Is the video slowed? there is evidence.
is the video fake? no evidence has been shown.

It could be the method by which is was recorded but then again...wheres the original video, showing the often said by cows milisecond load times gt5 will have?

WilliamRLBaker

Kotaku simply feeds off the fanboy wars ... personally I don't follow sites like that.

Doctored Video IS Kotaku Sabotaging GT5′s Hype, According To Their Past Stories

And yes, I did mean to put the word "is" in the title in all caps, to stress it.

By now you know about the GT5 load time video that Kotaku ran with without checking the source or anything else (again) that SMG Gamers exposed perfectly. However, this is one of three stories that Kotaku has ran within the week about GT5, and none are stories that put the game in any good light. It does seem like Kotaku is doing something to sabotage the game's cred. Even their attitude towards learning that the video was doctored shows some sight that they didn't want to believe it. And this is after Brian Credente called the majority of their Sony coverage "positive".

The other two stories (which all one needs to do to find them is look on the sidebar of the page of the load time video story on Kotaku's site):

• Europe's GT5 Collector's Edition Is Ridiculously Expensive (posted August 4, 2010 by Luke Plunkett)
• So Gran Turismo 5 Isn't Done Yet (posted August 9, 2010 by Brian Ashcraft)

Only the latter had any positive comments in the story about it from the author ("The studio probably could work on GT5 forever, perfecting and polishing. At this year's E3 gaming expo, the designer said that the game might have "too much" detail. GT fans wouldn't have it any other way."), and even THAT could be taken as a negative, depending on how you read it.

No one is saying that Kotaku CAN'T be a checks and balances to the game industry (after all, they swamped us with the Red Ring of Death stories when we first heard about the 360′s epidemic), and no one's saying that Kotaku should just ignore something that Sony is legitimately doing wrong. But take into account their trashing of Hideo Kojima in the weeks prior to the release of Metal Gear Solid 4. And lest we forget about the Home debacle that we've heard so much about, and we hope no one ever forgets that Kotaku did. People keep bringing it up for a reason.

We also bring up, for a reason, the story that I did back in September of 09, when Credente, when pushed by me to answer a question (I stand by and will defend the nature as to how I got those answers, by the way; I pushed Credente for a reason) that the majority of their PS3 Slim articles were "positive", when I asked about the nature of their coverage about the PS3 as a whole.

And then we get these three stories from Kotaku, one by someone besides Ashcraft (thought this whole scheme was by just the usual suspect at Kotaku, did you?), the doctored video story having the words, "Update: Some readers have pointed out that this video may be slowed to give the appearance of longer load times. Make of it what you will!" Didn't seem as though Kotaku didn't want it to be fake.

I call on Credente to answer to this story, and he knows how to get in touch with me, because we all deserve an explanation as to why this had to be…AGAIN!

as taken from the link at the top of page 13

It was indicated as a rumor, shinrabanshou, just as a sidebar. They said they had not been able to verify whether the load time in the video was accurate in the original posting. Ninja-Hippo

By sidebar, do you mean in the tags? It doesn't seem to be listed as a rumor.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]

http://www.gamenewser.net/?p=122

Interesting read

EdenProxy

sorry, but that's not how it works in the real world. when you make a claim, you back it up.

now, nowhere in that link does it prove your claim about Uncharted 2.

maybe it wouldn't be so hard next time if you stop making things up

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]No its because this isnt the first time Kotaku has done something like this. The same stuff happened around MGS4, home and Uncharted2TreyoftheDead

I'd say stuff like this is case of poor professionalism rather than blatant bias against the PS3. Kotaku just jumps at every story they can without really taking the time to actually verify the source.

If someone posted video of Halo Reach having a long load time, I'm sure they would post that too.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]

http://www.gamenewser.net/?p=122

Interesting read

KarateeeChop

sorry, but that's not how it works in the real world. when you make a claim, you back it up.

now, nowhere in that link does it prove your claim about Uncharted 2.

maybe it wouldn't be so hard next time if you stop making things up

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] Ill quote one of the links for ppl on page 12 who refuse to read the thread and would like me to show a link. I will not be finding the rest. EdenProxy

sorry, but that's not how it works in the real world. when you make a claim, you back it up.

now, nowhere in that link does it prove your claim about Uncharted 2.

maybe it wouldn't be so hard next time if you stop making things up

i've been around long enough to know when someone who just got busted tells people to go chase imaginary links. :lol:

it's fine if you don't want to admit that you made it up.