KZ2, console graphics king...Really?

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It looks good and better than uncharted and MGS4,but is not what fanboys want people to believe about the graphics...is smoke and mirrors and personally i find RE5 a better looking game...McdonaIdsGuy
Thanks for the honest answer...I don't know why everyone else in SW has to go into grade school mode when someone tries to question their precious KZ2.
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#53 Majordutch201
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Why?

I was able to play it recently for a longer period of time than I did before, and I don't see how this game is being praised in the grpahics department. If anything, Uncharted looks better.

The textures are bland, flat, and blurry. Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

COD5 looks better, imo. There's the same ammount of action on screen, if not more, and COD5 is more detailed.

Gears 2 definately has more detail.

Anyone care to enlighten me?

DBhova23

Well is this a first... COD 5 looks better than KZ2.... ahhh no. you can argue gameplay but graphically KZ2 by a mile. Here's how i see the top five with KZ2 on top. KZ2 MGS4 Gears2 Resident Evil 5 Uncharted 1

I'd switch MGS4 and Resident Evil 5 myself, but yeah thats pretty much the list right there, and if KZ2 graphics is nothing but smoke and mirrors, i hope every developer uses smoke and mirrors to bring visuals like these. But thats just me.

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#54 Keltoid
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I still think Killzone 2 looks the best... after playing all games in the running for console graphics king.
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#55 zarshack
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Seeing as how you can't see pas your own nose... I am not trashing KZ2. I was just wonder what's so special about KZ2's graphics. If you want to believe otherwise, fine by me.MortalDecay

Yes im sure you needed to make a new thread because you were "just wondering" /sarcasm, im going to bed, GOOD DAY SIR!

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#56 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

Trinners



LOLWUT



PDZ does have better textures.

KZ2 still looks great for a console game though.

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#57 lancer_87
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

Oh and this as well:

MortalDecay

Are you seriously using a SW poll as proof? Hahahahaha... How does that prove anything, other than the fact that there's a lot of cows on SW, which is something we've known for a long time now.

Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

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[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]It looks good and better than uncharted and MGS4,but is not what fanboys want people to believe about the graphics...is smoke and mirrors and personally i find RE5 a better looking game...MortalDecay
Thanks for the honest answer...I don't know why everyone else in SW has to go into grade school mode when someone tries to question their precious KZ2.

Same thing happens when gears is put into question.

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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

Saturos3091



LOLWUT



PDZ does have better textures.

KZ2 still looks great for a console game though.

lol? no it doesnt. Those textures look crappy.

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#60 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Seeing as how you can't see pas your own nose... I am not trashing KZ2. I was just wonder what's so special about KZ2's graphics. If you want to believe otherwise, fine by me.

Yes im sure you needed to make a new thread because you were "just wondering" /sarcasm, im going to bed, GOOD DAY SIR!

LOL, this is what SW is all about. If you're going to question threads like this, why even bother coming here?
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Why?

I was able to play it recently for a longer period of time than I did before, and I don't see how this game is being praised in the grpahics department. If anything, Uncharted looks better.

The textures are bland, flat, and blurry. Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

COD5 looks better, imo. There's the same ammount of action on screen, if not more, and COD5 is more detailed.

Gears 2 definately has more detail.

Anyone care to enlighten me?

MortalDecay

There at least 10 games looking generations better, with far better textures, shaders, lighting etc like Gears 2, Fable 2, Banjo 3, Uncharted, Kameo, Lost Odysseyetc

But the answer is simple, hype, hype will make one of the most indifferent looking game in 2009 look the best in many people's eyes

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#62 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Trinners"]

Oh and this as well:

Are you seriously using a SW poll as proof? Hahahahaha... How does that prove anything, other than the fact that there's a lot of cows on SW, which is something we've known for a long time now.

Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.
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#63 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

[QUOTE="Trinners"]

LOLWUT

Ultramarine777



PDZ does have better textures.

KZ2 still looks great for a console game though.

lol? no it doesnt. Those textures look crappy.

Meh, they were great for 2005, that's why Gamespot gave the graphics a 9, unless Gamespot is wrong...

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#64 -Traveller-
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[QUOTE="Ultramarine777"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

PDZ does have better textures.

KZ2 still looks great for a console game though.

mitu123

lol? no it doesnt. Those textures look crappy.

Meh, they were great for 2005, that's why Gamespot gave the graphics a 9, unless Gamespot is wrong...

Yeah that i very impressive, no matter which way you look at it.
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#65 lancer_87
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Are you seriously using a SW poll as proof? Hahahahaha... How does that prove anything, other than the fact that there's a lot of cows on SW, which is something we've known for a long time now.MortalDecay

Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

That was a different case...In this case after the majority has seen and watched enough of all the games...they judge Killzone 2 to be the BEST.
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] So, you'd be happy if games still looked like Star Fox on the SNES...MortalDecay

oh and in no way cod5 has more things going on-screen than KZ2. That alone shows that you haven't played KZ2 :lol:

Have you even played COD5?

This alone proves that you didn't play kz2....

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#67 Keltoid
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If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.MortalDecay
Doesnt mean the minority is. Fact is, most people disagree with you. Fact is, most people think KZ2 is the most impressive looking console game to date. Doesnt make them right, doesnt make you wrong. It just means most people disagree with you. So, you have your opinion... and the majority will keep theirs as well.
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#68 h2owizard
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honestly even when i dident have my ps3 i was unbiased, i am so glad i am not petty minded and try to make out all the little graphics details that i can see. i just play my systems and enjoy them, when i play games i dont look at one aspect of it, i look at the whole visual picture, i loved gears 2 and i loved kz2 and i loved pdz and i loved crysis. i honestly mean no offense but i think that if most of the people that are arguing could afford the other console they would change their mind and realize that there both FUN.
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="lancer_87"] Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

lancer_87

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

That was a different case...In this case after the majority has seen and watched enough of all the games...they judge Killzone 2 to be the BEST.

I would like a link to that majority, and proof that each one is notbiased in any way

Personally i consider KZ2 one of the most indifferent looking titles ever created, was extremely repeatitive and small

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#70 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Ultramarine777"]

lol? no it doesnt. Those textures look crappy.

-Traveller-

Meh, they were great for 2005, that's why Gamespot gave the graphics a 9, unless Gamespot is wrong...

Yeah that i very impressive, no matter which way you look at it.

Thanks for agreeing, it sure did use bump mapping well for it's time.
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Are you seriously using a SW poll as proof? Hahahahaha... How does that prove anything, other than the fact that there's a lot of cows on SW, which is something we've known for a long time now.MortalDecay

Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with you (in this case the majority) has to either a cow or an idiot. :roll:
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#72 Majordutch201
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.obamanian

That was a different case...In this case after the majority has seen and watched enough of all the games...they judge Killzone 2 to be the BEST.

I would like a link to that majority, and proof that each one is notbiased in any way

Personally i consider KZ2 one of the most indifferent looking titles ever created, was extremely repeatitive and small

Small really? I dunno the last level in game seemed pretty big to me having to chose which side to attack the palace, and the multiplayer is pretty big, the longest kill i recorded in the open desert level in multiplayer was 173m and that was a pretty big area, and the visual presentation pretty much matched the single player.

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honestly even when i dident have my ps3 i was unbiased, i am so glad i am not petty minded and try to make out all the little graphics details that i can see. i just play my systems and enjoy them, when i play games i dont look at one aspect of it, i look at the whole visual picture, i loved gears 2 and i loved kz2 and i loved pdz and i loved crysis. i honestly mean no offense but i think that if most of the people that are arguing could afford the other console they would change their mind and realize that there both FUN. h2owizard
In other words, SW is the wrong forum for you...People debate about these things. It doesn't mean one person is better than the other, or one person's opinion is better than everyone else's. It's just a place to debate, and support their favorite console. For me, it's a fun way to let off a little steam. It's different for other people. A debate never hurts anyone, no matter how small the subject may be. It's all in fun. If you feel you're too good for these debates, or believe you're above people that debate various topics, this is clearly not the place for you.
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now all we need is obamanian to come in here and start telling us fable 2 and Banjo:Nuts and bolts, look better then KZ2. People and their opinions honestly...

zarshack

There at least 10 games looking generations better, with far better textures, shaders, lighting etc like Gears 2, Fable 2, Banjo 3, Uncharted, Kameo, Lost Odysseyetc

But the answer is simple, hype, hype will make one of the most indifferent looking game in 2009 look the best in many people's eyes

obamanian

I lol'd

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#75 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="lancer_87"] Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

nervmeister

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with you (in this case the majority) has to either a cow or an idiot. :roll:

Right, because you know me, and know exactly what I am thinking. Way to turn a debate into something personal.

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.MortalDecay

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with you (in this case the majority) has to either a cow or an idiot. :roll:

Right, because you know me, and know exactly what I am thinking. Way to turn a debate into something personal.

Well is he right? What do you think of anyone who believes Killzone 2 is the graphics king? I believe your words were: "And the majority thought the world was flat. If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest."
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[QUOTE="h2owizard"]honestly even when i dident have my ps3 i was unbiased, i am so glad i am not petty minded and try to make out all the little graphics details that i can see. i just play my systems and enjoy them, when i play games i dont look at one aspect of it, i look at the whole visual picture, i loved gears 2 and i loved kz2 and i loved pdz and i loved crysis. i honestly mean no offense but i think that if most of the people that are arguing could afford the other console they would change their mind and realize that there both FUN. MortalDecay
In other words, SW is the wrong forum for you...People debate about these things. It doesn't mean one person is better than the other, or one person's opinion is better than everyone else's. It's just a place to debate, and support their favorite console. For me, it's a fun way to let off a little steam. It's different for other people. A debate never hurts anyone, no matter how small the subject may be. It's all in fun. If you feel you're too good for these debates, or believe you're above people that debate various topics, this is clearly not the place for you.

yeah good point maybe i will start to give some stronger opinions about games even though i like them all but I like some more than others :P
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[QUOTE="tylergamereview"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with you (in this case the majority) has to either a cow or an idiot. :roll:nervmeister
Right, because you know me, and know exactly what I am thinking. Way to turn a debate into something personal.

Well is he right? What do you think of anyone who believes Killzone 2 is the graphics king? I believe your words were: "And the majority thought the world was flat. If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest."

So you take my words out of context. I wasn't calling people that disagree with me, idiots. I was speaking generally, because in a lot of cases it's true. If it sounded like I was calling KZ2 fans idiots, my apologies.
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

now all we need is obamanian to come in here and start telling us fable 2 and Banjo:Nuts and bolts, look better then KZ2. People and their opinions honestly...

toast_burner

There at least 10 games looking generations better, with far better textures, shaders, lighting etc like Gears 2, Fable 2, Banjo 3, Uncharted, Kameo, Lost Odysseyetc

But the answer is simple, hype, hype will make one of the most indifferent looking game in 2009 look the best in many people's eyes

obamanian

I lol'd

He sort of has a point, Gears and Gears 2 has great textures, Fable 2 has great lighting and all, Resident evil has better Character models, Me personally the reason I think KZ2 is one of the best looking games is its pretty much packeged together. It has great lighting, good texters, even though some doesnt look that good, Good character models, other things that put it over the top to me is the character animations, and little things like blowing up a grenade in the desert level seeing the smoke and debri get blown away by the wind, little details like that. Thats the wow factor to me, I was wowed when i started to play gears 2 and now i've been wowed by this, you have to admit that it is more satisfying to blow up a group of helghast seeing all the smoke dust particles get blown away by the wind rather than blowing up a locust with a grenade that pretty much is the same animation over and over.

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#81 Trinners
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Are you seriously using a SW poll as proof? Hahahahaha... How does that prove anything, other than the fact that there's a lot of cows on SW, which is something we've known for a long time now.MortalDecay

Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

the majority believes that the holocaust happened as well. I guess they're not too bright either.

And theres MGS4 and Uncharted as exclusives to split the PS3 vote and RE5 as a multiplat as well. Cows don't outnumber lems that much.

Face it Killzone 2 is console graphics king and the majority think so as well. and so does Digital Foundry right here.

And lol at the earth is flat argument. The only reason people believed that because all evidence AT THE TIME pointed to the earth being flat.

I mean what if centuries from now we find out the big bang is not how the universe was created, OH HOW dumb the majority was eh?

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lol people dont want to challenge killzone2 becuase they know like 20 cows will jump on them :P

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[QUOTE="tylergamereview"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Right, because you know me, and know exactly what I am thinking. Way to turn a debate into something personal.

MortalDecay

Well is he right? What do you think of anyone who believes Killzone 2 is the graphics king? I believe your words were: "And the majority thought the world was flat. If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest."

So you take my words out of context. I wasn't calling people that disagree with me, idiots. I was speaking generally, because in a lot of cases it's true. If it sounded like I was calling KZ2 fans idiots, my apologies.

You apology is accepted. But, to stay on topic, I would like to present this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvYPiEi4eU This is one of the better graphical comparisons that I have seen for Killzone. Note that it only applies to Gears 2 however.

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

Trinners

Apparently you haven't played the game. The tiny 3d details and bumps on every surface are amazing... I agree with the T.C.... KZ2 looks good, but nowhere near as good as people hype it up to be...
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#86 nervmeister
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lol people (except hermits and those who've played Crysis) dont want to challenge killzone2 becuase they know like 20 cows will jump on them :P

yoshi454444
Forgive me, but I fixed up your statement a bit for you.
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#88 lancer_87
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Perfect Dark Zero has better texture detail.

-GeordiLaForge-

Apparently you haven't played the game. The tiny 3d details and bumps on every surface are amazing... I agree with the T.C.... KZ2 looks good, but nowhere near as good as people hype it up to be...

and apparently you have yet to play KZ2.Played both,those tiny bumps and surfaces in PD2 are no where CLOSE to the details in KZ2.And also the surfaces and bumps are ray traced in KZ2 so you cant possibly imagine the reflections they give,until and unless you play it your self.

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="tylergamereview"] Well is he right? What do you think of anyone who believes Killzone 2 is the graphics king? I believe your words were: "And the majority thought the world was flat. If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest."tylergamereview

So you take my words out of context. I wasn't calling people that disagree with me, idiots. I was speaking generally, because in a lot of cases it's true. If it sounded like I was calling KZ2 fans idiots, my apologies.

You apology is accepted. But, to stay on topic, I would like to present this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvYPiEi4eU This is one of the better graphical comparisons that I have seen for Killzone. Note that it only applies to Gears 2 however.

That was a good comparison. My question is: with that video claiming that KZ2 having the best explosions he's ever seen; I am wondering if he's played Lost Planet ( I would say RE5 also, but I'm not sure if this video was made before RE5 came out). Lost Planet has some very impressive explosions, imo, as well as RE5.
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Meh, i've never really seen the fuss about KZ2 graphics. All i saw when i played it was motion blur and gray.
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#91 GreyFoXX4
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Killzone 2 beta gameplay

Killzone 2 mp gameplay bots

KZ2 more bot action

KZ2 sp gameplay

Enough said, show me gameplay of something else that looks better than this and then we'll talk.

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="lancer_87"] Its what the majority has chose..I am sorry to say but the majority thinks OTHERWISE .:D

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And the majority thought the world was flat. :lol: If you ask me, the majority isn't always the brighest.

That was a different case...In this case after the majority has seen and watched enough of all the games...they judge Killzone 2 to be the BEST.

And it's not just system wars, nearly every professional review as well

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#94 tylergamereview
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="tylergamereview"]

So you take my words out of context. I wasn't calling people that disagree with me, idiots. I was speaking generally, because in a lot of cases it's true. If it sounded like I was calling KZ2 fans idiots, my apologies.MortalDecay
You apology is accepted. But, to stay on topic, I would like to present this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvYPiEi4eU This is one of the better graphical comparisons that I have seen for Killzone. Note that it only applies to Gears 2 however.

That was a good comparison. My question is: with that video claiming that KZ2 having the best explosions he's ever seen; I am wondering if he's played Lost Planet ( I would say RE5 also, but I'm not sure if this video was made before RE5 came out). Lost Planet has some very impressive explosions, imo, as well as RE5.

I agree, Lost planet did have some good explosions. But they were really just massive walls of flame. They were huge balls of fire one second, and then completely gone the next. It's almost the same thing with RE5. Really cool looking, but not very realistic.
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#95 abuabed
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Yes TC, Killzone 2 is the best console game currently graphically speaking, have you watched the lens of truth comparison

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#96 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="lancer_87"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Trinners"]

Apparently you haven't played the game. The tiny 3d details and bumps on every surface are amazing... I agree with the T.C.... KZ2 looks good, but nowhere near as good as people hype it up to be...

and apparently you have yet to play KZ2.Played both,those tiny bumps and surfaces in PD2 are no where CLOSE to the details in KZ2.And also the surfaces and bumps are ray traced in KZ2 so you cant possibly imagine the reflections they give,until and unless you play it your self.

Has anyone actually proved that KZ2 uses ray tracing?
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#98 Mr_Apple_Soup
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Has anyone actually proved that KZ2 uses ray tracing?MortalDecay

teh power of...

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THREE CELLS!!11!!!!1

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][ Has anyone actually proved that KZ2 uses ray tracing?

No is not using any kind of ray tracing,there is not enough horse power for a full scene with real time ray tracing,not even high end pcs can run at solid 30fps raytracing..