KZ2 textures look bad? really? (56k run)

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#51 zomgwtfbbqlol1
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt thereMojondeVACA


That's literally impossible. You can't add detail to something by taking a picture of it.



I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..

lol Teufelhuhn... just walk away while u can u'll never convince him otherwise :P
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#52 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Sorry because of the quality and low res, but the main things are the wall textures :P

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lol all that bluray disk space and still multiple repeated textures.

Wow, you are right. Those are copy and pasted onto the walls... lol. No big deal, not sure I would noticed it had you not knit-picked it for me, but that's funny... lol.

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#53 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt thereMojondeVACA


That's literally impossible. You can't add detail to something by taking a picture of it.



I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..



Sure, but looking better doesn't detail has been added. In fact it probably looks better because taking an off-screen screenshot hides some of uglier details that you see up close. :P

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#54 carljohnson3456
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Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt thereMojondeVACA

:lol: Quote of the year.

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#55 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Sorry because of the quality and low res, but the main things are the wall textures :P

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lol all that bluray disk space and still multiple repeated textures.

Wow, you are right. Those are copy and pasted onto the walls... lol. No big deal, not sure I would noticed it had you not knit-picked it for me, but that's funny... lol.



Yeah, it's something you'll see in just about every game due to memory constraints. Some developers are better at hiding it than others, but it's always there if you look hard enough.
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#56 MojondeVACA
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[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt thereTeufelhuhn



That's literally impossible. You can't add detail to something by taking a picture of it.



I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..



Sure, but looking better doesn't detail has been added. In fact it probably looks better because taking an off-screen screenshot hides some of uglier details that you see up close. :P



Well that was what i meant with my comment,it makes the texture look better than they really do.
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#57 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]
I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..
Teufelhuhn



Sure, but looking better doesn't detail has been added. In fact it probably looks better because taking an off-screen screenshot hides some of uglier details that you see up close. :P

And that is the reason I find them to look worse. They look blurry and unclear to me, which looks worse than clearer, low rez textures would look to me.

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#58 Floppy_Jim
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Looks fantastically fantastic. But with 42 months of hype, this game could get an AAAAE score and it would still be a flop.
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#59 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]
I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..
SpruceCaboose



Sure, but looking better doesn't detail has been added. In fact it probably looks better because taking an off-screen screenshot hides some of uglier details that you see up close. :P

And that is the reason I find them to look worse. They look blurry and unclear to me, which looks worse than clearer, low rez textures would look to me.



Yup. I also think they look worse because most point and shoots will totally screw up the exposure, so all the colors come out either way too bright or way too dark.
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#60 Janton3
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]Off screenshots again?MojondeVACA

stupid question to ask, lol u know GG dsnt release new screens (only at events) but no matter u'll fight this game to ur death even if it scores 9 or 9.5 u'll say it sucks/generic/bad graphics/bad gameplay/ gears is better etc etc.

have fun hating it, bcz ill have fun playing it



What a nice comeback.. u can't even spin the facts that using off screenshots = fail,it makes any game look better than it really does.

Actually, I think off-screen photos, and screen caps in general, often look much worse than what a game looks like running on a real TV in front of me.



Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt there and also gets rid of the jaggies.

alright then when comparing these shots with gears 2 post some offscreen shots and you guys will be even.

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#61 Teuf_
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Well that was what i meant with my comment,it makes the texture look better than they really do.MojondeVACA


Fair enough. I'm just a nit-picky guy, what can I say. :D
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#62 hyperboy152000
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

Mmm no,off-screens add detail that isnt thereMojondeVACA


That's literally impossible. You can't add detail to something by taking a picture of it.



I can tell that even the most ugly textures sometimes look better with off-screenshots specially if they are taken from further distances..

the only time ive seen that happening is when you take a really high-res capture and DOWNSIZE it to a small resolution and then upload the picture ALA the new alan wake screens, or just about any PR shots of well just about any game....

nice try with the weak sauce though

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#63 michael582
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Who cares, this will all stop when re5 comes out anyway :P
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#65 Floppy_Jim
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:shock:

Compared to that Gears 2 is minor, like the King's second in command.

Oh wait, RE5 is Killzone 2's second in command, I guess Gears 2 is not even Number 2. Oh wait, Far Cry 2 looks better than Gears 2. Lets face it Xbots, Gears 2 is not as impressive as Gears 1 when it came out. Gears 1.5 FTW!

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I agree that KZ 2 will be the king but I don't really agree with the bolded statement. Gears 2 looks incredible, and I own Far cry 2.

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#66 Supafly1
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They look worse in 1280x720.
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#67 carljohnson3456
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Just for the record, I'm sick of Killzone 2. I've seen all the same gameplay videos over and over so much that when the game hits I'll be looking forward to getting past the first level because I've seen it played so many friggin times.

Also, from what I've seen, I think the gameplay looks rather generic and unoriginal. For instance, like a few minutes into the game you are already welcomed to exploding barrels. Nice.

But the game does look better than alot of games out there, so it does have that going for it. I'm sure it will be a good game, but it wont the AAAE some are hoping it to be. I think HipHopGamer is it's biggest fan.

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#68 hyperboy152000
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Just for the record, I'm sick of Killzone 2. I've seen all the same gameplay videos over and over so much that when the game hits I'll be looking forward to getting past the first level because I've seen it played so many friggin times.

Also, from what I've seen, I think the gameplay looks rather generic and unoriginal. For instance, like a few minutes into the game you are already welcomed to exploding barrels. Nice.

But the game does look better than alot of games out there, so it does have that going for it. I'm sure it will be a good game, but it wont the AAAE some are hoping it to be. I think HipHopGamer is it's biggest fan.

carljohnson3456

lol i think GG said that was the SECOND level :P

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#69 Evilcator
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Killzone II has great textures for its scale, but people need to understand you cannot judge a games graphics based solely on its textures. Killzone 2 surpasses pretty much any game besides Crysis in many graphical elements.
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#70 tupapi006
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:shock:

Compared to that Gears 2 is minor, like the King's second in command.

Oh wait, RE5 is Killzone 2's second in command, I guess Gears 2 is not even Number 2. Oh wait, Far Cry 2 looks better than Gears 2. Lets face it Xbots, Gears 2 is not as impressive as Gears 1 when it came out. Gears 1.5 FTW!

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LOL :lol: LOL at that :lol:

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#71 Wasdie  Moderator
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Yeah, and COD4 textures look good from a distance and low res pics.

And that wall texture is horribly re-used.

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How many artists do you want to be making hundereds of unique wall textures?

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#72 Epak_
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KZ2 has some good textures and some badmingo123

Yes, like every game on the market. Nothing to worry about.

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#73 Janton3
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[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]

Yeah, and COD4 textures look good from a distance and low res pics.

And that wall texture is horribly re-used.

Wasdie

How many artists do you want to be making hundereds of unique wall textures?

yeah i mean "OMG I saw two barrels that looked exactly the same on COD4!"

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#74 ithilgore2006
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[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]

Yeah, and COD4 textures look good from a distance and low res pics.

And that wall texture is horribly re-used.

Wasdie

How many artists do you want to be making hundereds of unique wall textures?

Well you must admit that one is little bit overdone, it's a huge cracked tile, with one identical right next to it, they could at least have had two different types of that wall.
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#75 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"]

Yeah, and COD4 textures look good from a distance and low res pics.

And that wall texture is horribly re-used.

ithilgore2006

How many artists do you want to be making hundereds of unique wall textures?

Well you must admit that one is little bit overdone, it's a huge cracked tile, with one identical right next to it, they could at least have had two different types of that wall.

That wasn't the texture artists fault. That happens to be the level designer fault. I think that because its a beta they will catch things like that.

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#76 skiddy666
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Just for the record, I'm sick of Killzone 2. I've seen all the same gameplay videos over and over so much that when the game hits I'll be looking forward to getting past the first level because I've seen it played so many friggin times.

Also, from what I've seen, I think the gameplay looks rather generic and unoriginal. For instance, like a few minutes into the game you are already welcomed to exploding barrels. Nice.

But the game does look better than alot of games out there, so it does have that going for it. I'm sure it will be a good game, but it wont the AAAE some are hoping it to be. I think HipHopGamer is it's biggest fan.

carljohnson3456

lol try getting into the Killzone 2 beta....your opinion of the game will change DRAMATICLLY.

In terms of gfx its not even questionable really

Killzone 2>>>>>>>>>>gears 2

the atmostphere in killzone 2 is incredible.....the flowing smoke throughout the level....the fireballs in the background....when you play this game you will see

killzone 2>>>>>>>.gears 2 in terms of gfx

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#77 gdp72
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The textures aren't the best I have seen but the game does look really good in motion from the videos I have checked out.
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#78 king_bobo
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gears 2 is the king

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Not if you're trying to say that Gears 2 looks more realistic. It has arguably better stylised graphics, but it's stylised.
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#79 DJCUEBALL
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Does anyone use 56K anymore?
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#80 silverjiken
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Off screen shots always look a lot better
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#81 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

Well that was what i meant with my comment,it makes the texture look better than they really do.Teufelhuhn


Fair enough. I'm just a nit-picky guy, what can I say. :D

See I htink its ok to be nit picky about certain things(especially if they water down the expierience) and I see you post time to time and see that graphics really matter to you, but for all the I guess fanboys that really nitpick textures, who's really gonna run upto a wall and stare at it for 5 minutes saying "man these textures blow"

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#82 Dante2710
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awesome, cant wait to play it at that resolution
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#83 AnnoyedDragon
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I'm not moved by distanced environment shots when it is the character models that look like mud to me.

Don't bother showing me I have already seen plenty.

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#84 BobHipJames
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Repetition of textures has absolutely nothing to do with texture resolution, nor does it have anything to do with processing power. If you had 10,000 repeated textures on a 9800 GTX, the GTX would explode from the strain. Their repetition doesn't matter, and that's not what TC is trying to illustrate.

Lemmings fail.

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#85 fakecliche
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Not every texture looks like that. There's some textures in dark areas that are muddy and yuck. It happens with every game of this calibur. Uncharted had it. Gears had it. BioShock had it. Dark Sector had it. They all have some impressive moments, and some unimpressive moments. That's why I always find the "console graphics king argument" really bad. All the better looking games have their highs and lows, thus rendering it impossible to pick the superior, unless someone is using fanboyism to pimp their console exclusives.
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#86 6matt6
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Wow. This whole thing is never going to end, is it?

Can I save everyone some trouble? To cows, 360 games will look terrible no matter what you show. To lemmings, PS3 games will look terrible no matter what you show. To gamers, they will look fine.

It is the nature of the fanboy.

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I don't understand this fuss about console graphics. If they cared so much about graphics why not buy a PC? Graphics are not a consoles strong point.

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#87 Al3x_n90
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Lawl i forgot about this thread cuz i went to play Mirror's edge demo :P 5 pages wow :)
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#88 ZimpanX
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Looks good, I wonder though why the shots weren't taken more up close.
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#89 Al3x_n90
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Looks good, I wonder though why the shots weren't taken more up close.ZimpanX

Ask PSU :) anyways they don't really need to be very high quality cuz the center of the pics are the wall textures, dough i wish i could find higher rez ones

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#90 PAL360
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HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

Ren_eko

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

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#91 Al3x_n90
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[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

PAL360

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

If you want to go by that...IGN review Gears2 graphics: 9.5

MGS4 graphics: 10 :P

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#92 Ren_eko
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[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

PAL360

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

My sarcasm detector isnt working so well....is that sarcasm?

I have read the reviews and most importantly i have played it , Gears2 does not have the "wow" factor Gears1 had , a lot of games that look amazing have come out since then , Gears is no longer graphics king..... maybe Gears3 when they use Unreal Engine4.

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#93 Al3x_n90
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[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

Ren_eko

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

My sarcasm detector isnt working so well....is that sarcasm?

I have read the reviews and most importantly i have played it , Gears2 does not have the "wow" factor Gears1 had , a lot of games that look amazing have come out since then , Gears is no longer graphics king..... maybe Gears3 when they use Unreal Engine4.

I really thought Gears2 would be the graphics king, but after some reviews and actual gameplay, i think it's a tie with uncharted/mgs4, or maybe uncharted looks better...?

Anyways this is a KZ2 thread :)

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#94 pi3m4ster
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errr those walls in the OP are just awful :|
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#95 foxhound_fox
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They are low resolution and are incredibly "flat" looking, like most PS3 games. Is there something in the PS3 that prevents quality bump-mapping or other texture effects to get rid of the flatness?
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#96 MojondeVACA
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[QUOTE="Ren_eko"][QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

Al3x_n90

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

My sarcasm detector isnt working so well....is that sarcasm?

I have read the reviews and most importantly i have played it , Gears2 does not have the "wow" factor Gears1 had , a lot of games that look amazing have come out since then , Gears is no longer graphics king..... maybe Gears3 when they use Unreal Engine4.

I really thought Gears2 would be the graphics king, but after some reviews and actual gameplay, i think it's a tie with uncharted/mgs4, or maybe uncharted looks better...?

Anyways this is a KZ2 thread :)



Get over it all the gears 2 reviews say the game is the best looking game on consoles,MGS4 and uncharted got nothing on gears 2.
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#97 Al3x_n90
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[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"][QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

HAHA!

Gears2 is the king made me lol, thanks.

Gears1 was the king at one point but not anymore.

MojondeVACA

Well...but it is!! Why dont you read some Gears2 reviews? ;)

My sarcasm detector isnt working so well....is that sarcasm?

I have read the reviews and most importantly i have played it , Gears2 does not have the "wow" factor Gears1 had , a lot of games that look amazing have come out since then , Gears is no longer graphics king..... maybe Gears3 when they use Unreal Engine4.

I really thought Gears2 would be the graphics king, but after some reviews and actual gameplay, i think it's a tie with uncharted/mgs4, or maybe uncharted looks better...?

Anyways this is a KZ2 thread :)



Get over it all the gears 2 reviews say the game is the best looking game on consoles,MGS4 and uncharted got nothing on gears 2.

Can you give some? cuz from what i know neither the GT nor the IGN review say anything about that (video review) and + Gears got a 9.5 at graphics at ign :|

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#99 dark-warmachine
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They are low resolution and are incredibly "flat" looking, like most PS3 games. Is there something in the PS3 that prevents quality bump-mapping or other texture effects to get rid of the flatness?foxhound_fox

I agree it does look flat.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]They are low resolution and are incredibly "flat" looking, like most PS3 games. Is there something in the PS3 that prevents quality bump-mapping or other texture effects to get rid of the flatness?dark-warmachine

I agree it does look flat.

It's those damned pics :( i wish PSU would make some higher rez ones..