L4D and L4D2 cross play

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1001594p1.html

so L4D2 haters, what do you think about this? do you think Valve willinclude all original L4D content with L4D2 coz that is the only way I can think off that will allow cross play :|

If this is true then it won't split the comunity.

I'm happy, but i never was in the boycott.

Looks like I might get L4D2 then

So what does L4D2 add to the current L4D?

I'm not part of the boycott, I generally don't know. :?

that would be sick

both together would beALOT of different maps to play

This is good for people new to the franchise, but I still say fans of the original are getting shafted here.

Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

More importantly, what's the point of an entirely new game if you're just going to play with users of the first one?

I realize they're trying to stem the controversy, but this is just going to make it worse, as they're essentially admitting that L4D2 is pretty much the same as the first.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?metroidfood

More importantly, what's the point of an entirely new game if you're just going to play with users of the first one?

I realize they're trying to stem the controversy, but this is just going to make it worse, as they're essentially admitting that L4D2 is pretty much the same as the first.

it doesnt need to change much new maps, weapons, & zombies is all it needs

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[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?johnnyblazed88

More importantly, what's the point of an entirely new game if you're just going to play with users of the first one?

I realize they're trying to stem the controversy, but this is just going to make it worse, as they're essentially admitting that L4D2 is pretty much the same as the first.

it doesnt need to change much new maps, weapons, & zombies is all it needs

This is good for people new to the franchise, but I still say fans of the original are getting shafted here.

Vaasman

The weapons are exactly the same though, wait one has a silencer.Trmpt

The melee weapons are also a nice touch.

I actually mantain that Valve owes me nothing for the original L4D. Given the hours upon hours of enjoyment I got out of the first title, I'll more than happily throw them more support by buying the second.

Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

without knowing how they handled AI Director communication in L4D, I can't say with any certainty if this would solve the issue, but it could be possible that they are considering doing management of the AI Director entirely via the players who own L4D2... That way the re-written AI Director is still in effect, but L4D players do not need to have the code locally(however, it also brings up the issue of balance... the new code may not work properly in the old levels). It would be rather odd to do something in such a convoluted manner in terms of networking, which is probably why it would not have been initially considered.

It is also entirely possible that they could just throw in their old code, and add a boolean statement determining which version of the code to use for any given level... But that is entirely a waste of storage space on the disk, hence why it wasn't considered initially(similar to above).

There are any number of solutions to the problem. Doesn't make them any less redundant/unnecessary though... My guess is the only reason that they are even bothering with this is because people were complaining so much.

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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

More importantly, what's the point of an entirely new game if you're just going to play with users of the first one?

I realize they're trying to stem the controversy, but this is just going to make it worse, as they're essentially admitting that L4D2 is pretty much the same as the first.

Trmpt

it doesnt need to change much new maps, weapons, & zombies is all it needs

Umm....melee weapons????

I think L4D2 haters still wouldn't be satisfied. Their point was to get free DLC for it.Nubiitking

If this is true then it won't split the comunity.

I'm happy, but i never was in the boycott.

It is also entirely possible that they could just throw in their old code, and add a boolean statement determining which version of the code to use for any given level... But that is entirely a waste of storage space on the disk, hence why it wasn't considered initially(similar to above).

horrowhip

I do not see how a boolean statement could take up much space, it is essentially only an "on" "off" switch or "choose #1 or #2."

It seems like it would be a simple small statement within a program that would not take up much space.

I could be completely wrong though, I mean I only have a semesters worth of Java programming experience after all.

That would be great, I never had a problem with L4D2 in the first place but I was slightly worried that it would divide the community up, this should help with that if they manage to pull it off.ManicAce

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It is also entirely possible that they could just throw in their old code, and add a boolean statement determining which version of the code to use for any given level... But that is entirely a waste of storage space on the disk, hence why it wasn't considered initially(similar to above).

Trmpt

I do not see how a boolean statement could take up much space, it is essentially only an "on" "off" switch or "choose #1 or #2."

It seems like it would be a simple small statement within a program that would not take up much space.

I could be completely wrong though, I mean I only have a semesters worth of Java programming experience after all.

Well... you would have to keep the entire code base necessary to run the old code... That could be anything from a single class to nearly half the source code. Depends on how the AI Director was written... Given Valve's modular structure to the engine, my guess is that it wouldn't be THAT much of the Source Code... But it would be a subset of classes...

They can't do anything right for You guys can they? :P

i'm not part of the boycot...and i can't wait for this game

Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

Doesn't that kinda prove LFD2 should of been DLC?

Doesn't that kinda prove LFD2 should of been DLC?

Eddie-Vedder

Well I hope they fix the matchmaking because right now it is annoying trying to use mods.SparkyProtocol

Maybe that is because their matchmaking was never intended to have mods and the only reason they included it was to appease to complainers.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]Well I hope they fix the matchmaking because right now it is annoying trying to use mods.horrowhip

Maybe that is because their matchmaking was never intended to have mods and the only reason they included it was to appease to complainers.

Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]Well I hope they fix the matchmaking because right now it is annoying trying to use mods.shadow_hosi

Maybe that is because their matchmaking was never intended to have mods and the only reason they included it was to appease to complainers.

Why would it be because of the consoles?

Last i checked the PC version was not running on Live.

(Also, is anyone else having issues quoting?

It told me like 4 times i can't quote from another topic.)

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1001594p1.html

so L4D2 haters, what do you think about this? do you think Valve willinclude all original L4D content with L4D2 coz that is the only way I can think off that will allow cross play :|

sikanderahmed

i'm not part of the boycot...and i can't wait for this game

-ScorpionKing

Same here. 5 campaigns of the funnest coop game this gen sounded great to me from the beggining!

Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?Senor_Kami

ok you didn't split the community fantastic job but where is the extra content...its still a 5 new map game, with 4 maps I allready paid for. I'd also like the competitive MP to be ready from the get go, and not half-assed(shipping with 2 competitive MP maps was not a good move IMO). jg4xchamp

It is actually a 25 new map game, to add to the 20 maps in the original.

You forget that each "Campaign" has 5 maps... And don't pretend it doesn't work that way, because it most certainly does when you happen to be making the maps....

I think L4D2 haters still wouldn't be satisfied. Their point was to get free DLC for it.Nubiitking

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Part of the reason cross play was impossible was because the AI director was completely re-written, if this is true Valve are BS-ing us :?clembo1990

People say replayability as if nobody plays a regular FPS shooter map more than once.Senor_Kami

And? How many hours did you play L4D?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]ok you didn't split the community fantastic job but where is the extra content...its still a 5 new map game, with 4 maps I allready paid for. I'd also like the competitive MP to be ready from the get go, and not half-assed(shipping with 2 competitive MP maps was not a good move IMO). horrowhip

It is actually a 25 new map game, to add to the 20 maps in the original.

You forget that each "Campaign" has 5 maps... And don't pretend it doesn't work that way, because it most certainly does when you happen to be making the maps....

There were 4 campaigns in the original. 4. The multiplayer was limited to 2 campaign map sets(fair enough if you want to call the checkpoints different maps). SO if you want me to use a different word than maps? fine. I want atlaeast 8-10 new campaigns, plus the original 4 for this to be a 50/60 dollar game. The original was lacking in content(although yes a good game), and a sequal that comes out a year later that is hardly adding anything new(outside melee, weather dynamics, and improvements to the AI director) better not pull the same stunt with the lack of content. jg4xchamp

This is true.

Valve levied hard on the replay of maps due to the AI director.

I would really like to see more content.

That is my biggest complaint with the original(a game that is a FREAKIN BLAST with friends) is the amount of content. i don't care how replayable those 4 campaign sets are, the game just lacked the amount of content it needed. I don't expect Valve to not make business savy moves like making a sequal to a game for money(they should, they have more than bend over backwards for their community), That said, I would like Left 4 Dead 2 to have more content. Throwing in the original campaigns with the 5 new ones doesn't do anything for me, because well i have the original campaigns allready so at this current time I'm still only paying for 5 short campaigns.jg4xchamp

So, I will ask this.... What would you rather have? An amazing game with 4 fanastic campaigns(any of which could be picked during any session), or a merely good game with 10 campaigns of which only 1-2 campaigns that would end up getting picked anyway. Because it doesn't necessarily work both ways. You can't necessarily get 10 fantastic campaigns in the same time it took them to make 4 fantastic campaigns... something has to give.