Lack of hardcore advertising lead to Wii laughingstock?

I'm a dedicated wii player and I think it's an awesome console. My friends, on the other hand, all have PS3's and 360's and say the wii just plain sucks. This obviously isn't true because the Wii has some great games. I started thinking. When you turn on the TV you see a lot of ads for the ps3 and 360 third party hardcore games and only family friendly nintendo ads for the wii.

Is this a contributing factor? Has lack of advertising led to the Wii being a laughing stock among hardcore gamers?

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If they showed more ads for the hardcore games on the Wii (i.e. Deadspace Extraction) would it boost sales?

DISCUSS!

I'm a dedicated wii player and I think it's an awesome console. My friends, on the other hand, all have PS3's and 360's and say the wii just plain sucks. This obviously isn't true because the Wii has some great games. I started thinking. When you turn on the TV you see a lot of ads for the ps3 and 360 third party hardcore games and only family friendly nintendo ads for the wii.

Is this a contributing factor? Has lack of advertising led to the Wii being a laughing stock among hardcore gamers?

~AND~

If they showed more ads for the hardcore games on the Wii (i.e. Deadspace Extraction) would it boost sales?

DISCUSS!

Redbird520

I would have to say it does. I own all current gen consoles and the Wii's marketing strategie is sooooo "E for everyone" I think it will hurt their sales after it saturates every household. I dont want to say I hate the Wii. I loved Mario and Zelda on the 64 but man......they really want that cash. So I cant hate them for their get rich quick campaign but I am no longer a fan.

I see just as many Wii commercials as I do for PS3 and 360, however, the Wii ones mostly show shovelware games.

Lately, the only commercial that I've seen for the Wii with a good game is Wii Sports Resort.

Sense when did hardcore games start advertising?

I keep seeing Final Fantasy advertised for the Wii on espn now that you mention it.

I would say your friends just are uninformed and possibly hypocrits if they think PS3 and 360 are "hardcore". If they think in those terms then by their own standards they themselves are not what they strive to be because the PC is clearly geared more in that direction than their consoles are.

the wii adverts in the uk are more about the celebs doin the advertising and the "group gaming" than the actual games themselves it seems to me, the 360/ps3 ads are always about the games

the wii adverts in the uk are more about the celebs doin the advertising and the "group gaming" than the actual games themselves it seems to me, the 360/ps3 ads are always about the games

Macutchi

Yes.

There are lots of great games for the Wii as many has mentioned, but hardly any of them break the 100k mark. (I don't even know if they break the 50k mark, I don't own a Wii or keep much track of the niche game sales).

the wii adverts in the uk are more about the celebs doin the advertising and the "group gaming" than the actual games themselves it seems to me, the 360/ps3 ads are always about the games

Macutchi

I'm a dedicated wii player and I think it's an awesome console. My friends, on the other hand, all have PS3's and 360's and say the wii just plain sucks. This obviously isn't true because the Wii has some great games. I started thinking. When you turn on the TV you see a lot of ads for the ps3 and 360 third party hardcore games and only family friendly nintendo ads for the wii.

Is this a contributing factor? Has lack of advertising led to the Wii being a laughing stock among hardcore gamers?

~AND~

If they showed more ads for the hardcore games on the Wii (i.e. Deadspace Extraction) would it boost sales?

DISCUSS!

Redbird520

Why should anyone on this forum care what your friends have to say?

Sort of. In my group of friends we all know the Wii is the weakest of the 3 but we all also enjoy them all equally. Before the Wii can gain "hardcore" respect, it needs better stronger more mainstream mature games. It needs games like RE5 and LP2, games like Dead Space never stood a chance. If a AAA dead space effort by EA turns out to get Luke Warm reception and disappoint them does anyone really think that on rails deadspace on the system with the least violence tolerant userbase is going to fair well? Thought so. Stuff like Silent Hill, Little Kings Story and Klonoa need advertising though. If people were aware they existed I'm sure there would be a lot of potential buyers. Stuff like Klonoa would easily have a userbase in NA over stuff like Deadspace.

I get it now. Being TEH HARDC0RE is all bout TEH ADs. tEH game with TEH KOOLEST ADs is TEH HARDEST C0RE.

amirite?

Sense when did hardcore games start advertising?

Yandere

I just want some 3rd party support. I'd like Assassin's Creed on my Wii or some Brutal Legend. Heck The Wii finally got Call of Duty 4! where's Modern Warfare 2??

I just want some 3rd party support. I'd like Assassin's Creed on my Wii or some Brutal...

LegatoSkyheart

Yo LegatoSkyheart, I'm real happy for you. Imma let you finish, but Mad Word is one of the most Brutal games of all time.

I just want some 3rd party support. I'd like Assassin's Creed on my Wii or some Brutal Legend. Heck The Wii finally got Call of Duty 4! where's Modern Warfare 2??

LegatoSkyheart

Give up on that. Never going to happen.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I just want some 3rd party support. I'd like Assassin's Creed on my Wii or some Brutal...

Burning-Sludge

Yo LegatoSkyheart, I'm real happy for you. Imma let you finish, but Mad Word is one of the most Brutal games of all time.

Thank you Beyonce for letting me finish, I'd like to say I have MadWorld and it's the most Bloodest games ever.

The Wii commercial campaign don't help it's image for a "hardcore" demographic. Nintendo has made it's bed, catering to casuals and promoting it's console as a "family gaming device", now it has to sleep in it.

Now for a business moving consoles for profit, this is an great campaign.... it's been working. It will go down as one of the most successful campaigns in gaming history (I happen to be in advertising btw).

If they are at all trying to capture the rest of us, they are failing. (frankly, I don't think they care)

I enter these vids as evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWgx567JVb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUu_hPHmNCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rYZFYjCaBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NeCc410ozo

I cant find the one where Chris didn't go out with his buddies because he was having so much fun playing Wii with his family, his mother on the couch looking like shes about to poor out tears of joy.

Who are they selling to? the son? the daughter? the father?.... Hint: The one not playing the game at the end. (I'm upset I cant find it)

Generally, hardcore games rely on word of mouth, and people finding them, not masses of hype. linkthewindow

I thought it was the other way around with "casual" games, as its buyers tend not to read gaming magazines or visit gaming sites and depend on word-of-mouth. Not only that, compared to "hardcore" games, "casual" games maintain solid sales for many months most due to word-of-mouth.

Well Nintendo just needs a commercial saying "new (inster name here)" on a black screen the 3rd arties are doing bad though

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I just want some 3rd party support. I'd like Assassin's Creed on my Wii or some Brutal Legend. Heck The Wii finally got Call of Duty 4! where's Modern Warfare 2??

Give up on that. Never going to happen.

I live in a country where there is no game advertising whatsoever and every MALE GAMER above the age of 12thinks the Wii SUCKS and laughs at it. I bought one wii so just I could have something to laugh when there is no episodes of South park or Seinfield on TV.

The Wii is a laughing stock in the entire world (excluding japan, retirement homes, 3rd graders classrooms or hidrogynamstics classes)

I live in a country where there is no game advertising whatsoever and purely trough word of mouth, first hand experience, internet or some good taste made every MALE GAMER above the age of 12 realize the Wii SUCKS.

ropumar

AH yes, what a brilliant statement. It just goes to show you that 56.14 million wii units sold prove that the wii sucks. Yes, how smart of you.

wii isnt targeting hardcores. there targeting my parents and sisters. and there having a blast

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

I live in a country where there is no game advertising whatsoever and purely trough word of mouth, first hand experience, internet or some good taste made every MALE GAMER above the age of 12 realize the Wii SUCKS.

bowser3

AH yes, what a brilliant statement. It just goes to show you that 56.14 million wii units sold prove that the wii sucks. Yes, how smart of you.

Uhh, Sales =/= Quality.

Just like the movie G.I. Joe. That abomination grossed about $105 million but scored a 32 on Metacritic. Same principles apply.

On the contrary I think the 360 and PS3's lack of advertising more family friendly games hurts their sales. Not many parents want to buy a system so their 10 year old can play Killmurdereviscerate 3.

It doesn't seem like it, but it is a HUGE factor. Most hardcore games you find on the wii most people wouldn't even know about because they're almost never advertised.

On the contrary I think the 360 and PS3's lack of advertising more family friendly games hurts their sales. Not many parents want to buy a system so their 10 year old can play Killmurdereviscerate 3.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="bowser3"]

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

I live in a country where there is no game advertising whatsoever and purely trough word of mouth, first hand experience, internet or some good taste made every MALE GAMER above the age of 12 realize the Wii SUCKS.

MadVybz

AH yes, what a brilliant statement. It just goes to show you that 56.14 million wii units sold prove that the wii sucks. Yes, how smart of you.

Uhh, Sales =/= Quality.

Just like the movie G.I. Joe. That abomination grossed about $105 million but scored a 32 on Metacritic. Same principles apply.

Just because you're a hardcore gamer and you don't like that now half of their games are casual, doesn't mean the system sucks. According to those parents and sisters buying the wii, the ps3 and 360 suck for only having nerdy games, and their opinions don't equal fact either.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

On the contrary I think the 360 and PS3's lack of advertising more family friendly games hurts their sales. Not many parents want to buy a system so their 10 year old can play Killmurdereviscerate 3.

Dycras

I said most parents, not all. There are indeed some parents who are stupid. I know quite well of the 12 year olds on xbox live. Thats just funny to me since it seems to show hardcore mature games appeal more to young kids.

Wii lack hardcore gamesBloodSeeker1337

I don't think it's a contributing factor, I think it is THE factor in the Wii getting trashed. Not that Nintendo cares they're off making billions of dollars, but the fact that games like MadWorld only saw brief snippet commercials, and games like No More Heroes got absolutely no slots on TV is clearly why these games are being ignored. I don't think any console with MW, NMH, Little King's Story (yes, play that game and you'll realize how mature it actually is on the inside), Legend of Zelda, Metroid Prime, and Super Mario Galaxy can be called kiddy. It just is called kiddy because all the big mature games get no publicity. You can't blame people for saying the Wii is kiddy when all they know about is Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and then some Mario games (which are obviously for gamers but can also entertain kids). They just don't know about the hardcore games that go unnoticed.

With Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter 3, Metroid: Other M, Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom, Super Mario Galaxy 2, No More Heroes 2, Epic Mickey, and Sin & Punishment 2 coming out as heavy hitters in 2010, hopefully we'll see increased advertising for the hardcore games.

Either way I could care less. Nintendo continues to make fantastic games, I continue to play them, they make ass loads of money from the casual market which in turn does nothing but help them produce even better games for me and all the gamers. Sure someone might tell me that it's for 7 year olds or whatever, but a) I don't care and b) I just wave my ultra-manly PS3 in their face and they shut up :P.

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

On the contrary I think the 360 and PS3's lack of advertising more family friendly games hurts their sales. Not many parents want to buy a system so their 10 year old can play Killmurdereviscerate 3.

Pixel-Pirate

I said most parents, not all. There are indeed some parents who are stupid. I know quite well of the 12 year olds on xbox live. Thats just funny to me since it seems to show hardcore mature games appeal more to young kids.

I can't take Nintendo serious when I saw that they were advertising Spirit Tracks by picturing a mid 30 good looking woman playing the game. Sorry but Zelda is already one of the more hardcore games and that seems just a little bit ... greedy :?uRan_Ehr

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"]Wii lack hardcore gamesBigboi500

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"]Wii lack hardcore gamesBigboi500

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[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"]Wii lack hardcore gamesBloodSeeker1337

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]What's "hardcore"? :?

Thunderdrone

LOL don't ever change Thunder, you're my hero! :P Bigboi500

Sense when did hardcore games start advertising?

Yandere

Um, in Germany maaaaany hardcore games get advertised. Uncharted 2, Halo 3, Tekken 6, Street Fighter 4, Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 to name some majro titles. Nintendo is only advertising Wii Fit or Wii Fit plus.uRan_Ehr

Its true that Wii fit is much more casual then those but that doesnt make then hardcore

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"]Um, in Germany maaaaany hardcore games get advertised. Uncharted 2, Halo 3, Tekken 6, Street Fighter 4, Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 to name some majro titles. Nintendo is only advertising Wii Fit or Wii Fit plus.toast_burner

Its true that Wii fit is much more casual then those but that doesnt make then hardcore