LAWL at Chinatown beating out virtually every other hyped game of 2009

I see the standards argument coming up a lot. So........if "inferior" handheld standards are not good enough for you console players, why should hermits care about inferior consoles and their standards? Should we just ignore them as well?lettuceman44

Well they mostly do, Hermits hardly ever post here except to drop titles into topic about graphics. Though generally there is a significant diffrence between the DS and PS3/Xbox360 when it comes to technical capabilities. Don't try and tell me there are significant diffrences in how the PC is handeled than consoles, I'm not intrested.

now ps3/360 fanboys see how worthless HD is :lol:

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

jimkabrhel

No, because GTA:CW is a video game just like any console video game. It also scored a 9.5.

Sheep get to own the lemmings and cows.

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

jimkabrhel

Yeah,because handhelds are fundamentally inferior to consoles.:roll:

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

treedoor

No, because GTA:CW is a video game just like any console video game. It also scored a 9.5.

Sheep get to own the lemmings and cows.

Except the lemmings don't have a handheld,so they get a free ride for this one.

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

jimkabrhel

Oh what fanboys go through with trying to create damage control.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]I see the standards argument coming up a lot. So........if "inferior" handheld standards are not good enough for you console players, why should hermits care about inferior consoles and their standards? Should we just ignore them as well?Ek-Andy

Well they mostly do, Hermits hardly ever post here except to drop titles into topic about graphics. Though generally there is a significant diffrence between the DS and PS3/Xbox360 when it comes to technical capabilities. Don't try and tell me there are significant diffrences in how the PC is handeled than consoles, I'm not intrested.

Notice how all of the haters haven't played it :lol: Complain about standards and whatnot all you want, but the fact remains people that own it love it.

[QUOTE="jjenkins78x"]

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

All games are rated the same way.
The World Ends With You (DS) was even nominated last year for GOTY along with the other console games.

NinjaMunkey01

So you think that a direct port of Chinatown Wars would still be a AAA title on 360? GOTY means it was more of an achievement for that platform than the other games were for their respective platforms. You can't honestly think that they are even close to the same thing.

A handheld game "owning" all the consoles? You cannot be series.

Exactly. It just does not work. when do we see a handheld game winning overall GOTY? we dont...

oh lol, and series? You were at that thread too :lol:

LOL I had to watch it from the sidelines. For years my browser hated login cookies because I refused to upgrade it. I couldn't post anything on any site, even when I was itching to, like in the series thread. When KZ2 reviews from other sites started pouring in I decided to resolve my cookie issue once and for all and get in on the shenanigans.

for all those handheld game doubters out there, consider this: is Mario World not better than every game that has come out this generation? Argued by many, yes.Are A link to the Past and Ocarina of time the best adventure games ever made? Very little refute that and they are both doable on DS or lower.

what about 2D games? In many cases certain series and Genres are only successful in this format. Castlevania and Sonic are good examples. Neither has ever really produced a good 3d game (in my opinion), however, their 2D games are always fantastic! Take a look at Street Fighter IV. It could have been made in 2D and put on the DS and be the exact same game with similar reviews.

In my opinion Braid and World of Goo are among the best games this generation and guess what, they are very doable on the DS

I'll admit that certain games benefit from more power (Survival Horrorand FPS gamesare very good examples of this), however, there are many that simply don't need all that extra power to be any more fun than they are (Platformers, Puzzle games, and rhythm gamesare good example of this)

Handhelds are just as valid as consoles

Pikminmaniac

DS games are based and reviewed on other DS games, not PS3/360 and PC games.

Its great that it got a good score.

But still, handheld games dont get reviewed the same. I mean looking at the scores your saying that this DS game beats Gears 2, reistance 2, Killzone 2, and past console GTA games?

I dont think so, this just proves that whilst great, its reviewed differently to non handheld gaming systems...

NinjaMunkey01

Notice how all of the haters haven't played it :lol: Complain about standards and whatnot all you want, but the fact remains people that own it love it.

WAIW

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

Notice how all of the haters haven't played it :lol: Complain about standards and whatnot all you want, but the fact remains people that own it love it.

Master-Thief-09

Nintendo owns nothing , they didnt develop itSonic_on_crack

damage control ?

Standards do exist and are typically decided by platform and time frame. Older games were good for their time, but typically, genres evolve as do our expectations. The same can be said about cross-platform comparisons. This is not to say a high scoring DS game is an inferior product, merely that it's nearly as good as a DS game can be.

GTA:CW...owns PS3's lineup this year.

treedoor

The game is one of the best handheld games I've ever played, but if you really think that it'll score GOTY, or that it is superior to gat 4, then your wrong.

Oh and to the people saying that the consoles and hadhelds have the same standards, the don't.

and hate to break it to you hermits in this thread but the difference between a handheld game and a console game is a little bit bigger that between a PC game and a console game.

Nintendo owns nothing , they didnt develop itSonic_on_crack

Quite a literal translation of "own".:lol:The fact that it's exclusive to the DS gives Nintendo an ownage point.

The game is one of the best handheld games I've ever played, but if you really think that it'll score GOTY, or that it is superior to gat 4, then your wrong.deangallop

I guarantee you it will be nominated.

and hate to break it to you hermits in this thread but the difference between a handheld game and a console game is a little bit bigger that between a PC game and a console game.

deangallop

How?

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

The game is one of the best handheld games I've ever played, but if you really think that it'll score GOTY, or that it is superior to gat 4, then your wrong.WAIW

I guarantee you it will be nominated.

and hate to break it to you hermits in this thread but the difference between a handheld game and a console game is a little bit bigger that between a PC game and a console game.

deangallop

How?

Hmmm well lets see. A handheld displays graphics around the level of the original Playstation 1, which is about a 10th of what current consoles are capable of. PCs are about 1.2 times better than consoles on average, so thats a 1.2 (That is for PCs that play video games regularly) Vs 10. Significant diffrence.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

I guarantee you it will be nominated.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

and hate to break it to you hermits in this thread but the difference between a handheld game and a console game is a little bit bigger that between a PC game and a console game.

Ek-Andy

How?

Hmmm well lets see. A handheld displays graphics around the level of the original Playstation 1, which is about a 10th of what current consoles are capable of. PCs are about 1.2 times better than consoles on average, so thats a 1.2 (That is for PCs that play video games regularly) Vs 10. Significant diffrence.

And PC's (as well as the DS) have significantly superior controls to consoles. So a game on PS3/360 won't be critized for having crap controls, because in many genres it can't be avoided.

So your theory is based 100% on graphical power? Interesting.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]GTA:CW...owns PS3's lineup this year.

VanHelsingBoA64

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

How?

WAIW

Hmmm well lets see. A handheld displays graphics around the level of the original Playstation 1, which is about a 10th of what current consoles are capable of. PCs are about 1.2 times better than consoles on average, so thats a 1.2 (That is for PCs that play video games regularly) Vs 10. Significant diffrence.

And PC's (as well as the DS) have significantly superior controls to consoles. So a game on PS3/360 won't be critized for having crap controls, because in many genres it can't be avoided.

So your theory is based 100% on graphical power? Interesting.

I don't consider the PC as having better controls anyway, so yes, what else would you base it on except for the completely subjective PC controls argument which I disagree with? If a game has crap controls on PS3/360 it will called out for it, I can find you an example, I'm sure you will find it very intresting.

Sure that Handhelds doesnt have the same standards of Consoles, but there is onestandard that all games from all consoles have: Fun

If GTA: CW gets a 9.5 sure is because is more fun than KZ2, RE5 and GoW2(also because all those games are generic)

Edited: BTW this thread is looking more like a PC,PS3,360 vs Ds than anything else

If a game has crap controls on PS3/360 it will called out for it, I can find you an example, I'm sure you will find it very intresting.

Ek-Andy

Crap controls for a game on PS3/360. For example, if we were comparing every game to PC standards, every FPS on 360/PS3 would have crap controls.

Sure that Handhelds doesnt have the same standards of Consoles, but there is onestandard that all games from all consoles have: Fun

If GTA: CW gets a 9.5 sure is because is more fun than KZ2, RE5 and GoW2(also because all those games are generic)

Razlses

Yah, reviews cover controls, gameplay, graphics, multiplayer, and a few things in between. From the review the only real thing the DS version doesn't do better than console games is graphics.

The gameplay, and overall game in general is better than games on consoles based on the reviews it's getting. There's no reason this game can not be better than console games.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

If a game has crap controls on PS3/360 it will called out for it, I can find you an example, I'm sure you will find it very intresting.

WAIW

Crap controls for a game on PS3/360. For example, if we were comparing every game to PC standards, every FPS on 360/PS3 would have crap controls.

I take it you just read that bit and ignored the rest then? I said I don't think PC controls are superior so I don't consider them as being a higher standard. for example a keyboard is not good for playing racing games. The only real diffrence is graphics, anything else is subjective and largely pointless. If Keyboard and mouse were considered superior consoles would use them, but they don't because they are not considered superior.

I take it you just read that bit and ignored the rest then? I said I don't think PC controls are superior so I don't consider them as being a higher standard. for example a keyboard is not good for playing racing games. The only real diffrence is graphics, anything else is subjective and largely pointless. If Keyboard and mouse were considered superior consoles would use them, but they don't because they are not considered superior.

Ek-Andy

And I think Deal or No Deal is better than Metroid Prime, therefore reviewers must blind themselves and agree with my opinion.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Nintendo owns nothing , they didnt develop it789shadow

Quite a literal translation of "own".:lol:The fact that it's exclusive to the DS gives Nintendo an ownage point.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Nintendo owns nothing , they didnt develop itjjenkins78x

Quite a literal translation of "own".:lol:The fact that it's exclusive to the DS gives Nintendo an ownage point.

and shovelware is nintendos fault and everything else that is bad :roll:

[QUOTE="jjenkins78x"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Quite a literal translation of "own".:lol:The fact that it's exclusive to the DS gives Nintendo an ownage point.

habkeinbock

and shovelware is nintendos fault and everything else that is bad :roll:

[QUOTE="habkeinbock"]

[QUOTE="jjenkins78x"] I think what he means is that R* deserves the credit for it. VanHelsingBoA64

and shovelware is nintendos fault and everything else that is bad :roll:

No.I meant that the exclusivity to the DS allows Nintendo fans to brag about it.

[QUOTE="habkeinbock"]

[QUOTE="jjenkins78x"] I think what he means is that R* deserves the credit for it. VanHelsingBoA64

and shovelware is nintendos fault and everything else that is bad :roll:

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

So many people are saying sheep will own lemmings and cows because of this. Since this is a handheld, wouldn't it be safe to say that the lambs are owning calves and... baby lemmings?

Nerd_Man

Oh what fanboys go through with trying to create damage control.

Actually I was just trying to make a joke... I guess it EPIC FAILED.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

I take it you just read that bit and ignored the rest then? I said I don't think PC controls are superior so I don't consider them as being a higher standard. for example a keyboard is not good for playing racing games. The only real diffrence is graphics, anything else is subjective and largely pointless. If Keyboard and mouse were considered superior consoles would use them, but they don't because they are not considered superior.

WAIW

And I think Deal or No Deal is better than Metroid Prime, therefore reviewers must blind themselves and agree with my opinion.

I don't think reviews agaree with you on this either, unless you can find a review that explicately states that the keyboard improves the gameplay, though I expect it to be from a reputale sourcend relevant. You have no point though. The only thing worse than sarcasm is failing at it. Your whole argument is based around the concept of you disagreeing with what I'm saying, but your only justfication is, "It's just because your wrong.", and nothing more. I like gamepads because they are functional, and they fit in my hands nicely. What more could I want? A mouse? Does that help me play fighting games? Does it help me play driving games? No, it dosn't.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

I take it you just read that bit and ignored the rest then? I said I don't think PC controls are superior so I don't consider them as being a higher standard. for example a keyboard is not good for playing racing games. The only real diffrence is graphics, anything else is subjective and largely pointless. If Keyboard and mouse were considered superior consoles would use them, but they don't because they are not considered superior.

Ek-Andy

And I think Deal or No Deal is better than Metroid Prime, therefore reviewers must blind themselves and agree with my opinion.

I don't think reviews agaree with you on this either, unless you can find a review that explicately states that the keyboard improves the gameplay, though I expect it to be from a reputale sourcend relevant. You have no point though. The only thing worse than sarcasm is failing at it. Your whole argument is based around the concept of you disagreeing with what I'm saying, but your only justfication is, "It's just because your wrong.", and nothing more. I like gamepads because they are functional, and they fit in my hands nicely. What more could I want? A mouse? Does that help me play fighting games? Does it help me play driving games? No, it dosn't.

PC supports console controllers... So you have no problems there.

The only difference PC controls make is in genres such as RTS and FPS, where it's ridiculously improved on PC. You're right, TECHNICALLY it's opinion. That's all I'll say about that.

Its great that it got a good score.

But still, handheld games dont get reviewed the same. I mean looking at the scores your saying that this DS game beats Gears 2, reistance 2, Killzone 2, and past console GTA games?

I dont think so, this just proves that whilst great, its reviewed differently to non handheld gaming systems...

[QUOTE="dr_jashugan"]

TC, DO NOT forget that it's a DS game. This DOES NOT beat any other games from other consoles or handhelds. 8)

Mckenna1845

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="dr_jashugan"]

TC, DO NOT forget that it's a DS game. This DOES NOT beat any other games from other consoles or handhelds. 8)

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

And I think Deal or No Deal is better than Metroid Prime, therefore reviewers must blind themselves and agree with my opinion.

WAIW

I don't think reviews agaree with you on this either, unless you can find a review that explicately states that the keyboard improves the gameplay, though I expect it to be from a reputale sourcend relevant. You have no point though. The only thing worse than sarcasm is failing at it. Your whole argument is based around the concept of you disagreeing with what I'm saying, but your only justfication is, "It's just because your wrong.", and nothing more. I like gamepads because they are functional, and they fit in my hands nicely. What more could I want? A mouse? Does that help me play fighting games? Does it help me play driving games? No, it dosn't.

PC supports console controllers... So you have no problems there.

The only difference PC controls make is in genres such as RTS and FPS, where it's ridiculously improved on PC. You're right, TECHNICALLY it's opinion. That's all I'll say about that.

I havn't noticed a ridiculous improvement when playing FPS games. I don't enjoy them any more than I would with a game pad. The PS3 already has Kb/M support, I think, certainly Keyboard support for text, so it is probably actually possible to use keyboards with a console as long as the developer programs for it. The thing is, no one wants it, so it's a bit pointless. I don't consider the keyboard as a significant advantage in controls regardless.

[QUOTE="dr_jashugan"]

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"] in 2009 it does, if we only count gamespots score, the closest any other game has got is street fighter 4 and killzone 2 with 9's.Razlses

I believe you mean fun over flash.

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Just remember though, the DS will NEVER get the type of quality of Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core or MGS: Portable Ops. :lol:

dr_jashugan

I'm shocked at the scores that game is getting. I hated the old-style GTA games. If we still had System Wars Bets I would have gotten my ass kicked on this one.