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Whoever reviewed this game completely neglected the creative use of 3D in this game... and then chose toactually count it against the game. I mean I haven't played the game myself but I've heard of some parts that make good use of the 3D and the 5/5 G4 review actually listed "creative use of 3D" as a positive.

EDIT: Here's the quotations:

Gamespot review: "At its best, the effect adds a neat sense of depth when you're underwater or a touch of vertigo in the air. But these tricks have been used before, and it would have been nice to see this new feature used in more interesting ways."

G4 review: "...the game frequently gives you reasons to turn on the 3D. Brain-bending, M.C. Escher-esque levels play with perception in such a way that an ordinary cube is actually a multifaceted octagon when viewed from another angle. There are non-3D ways to finish these puzzles, such as blocks that shift the camera around, but if your 3D is turned on, you'll likely get through them a lot faster."

Wow... IGN gave it a 9.5!!!

last I checked it's 91 on metacritic. only 15 reviews I know but the game does look good.

3ds is doomed.. flagship title flopping!!.. DOOMED I TELLZ YA!! DOOOOOO00000OooO0O0O0oMED!campzor

IMO when the GS review is the lowest out of all of them I can't put too much worth into it. I actually prefer IGN's review.

The flagship title was actually Kid Icarus, but it was delayed.Willy105

Really? Kid Icarus? :?

I would've expected Mario Kart 7.

[QUOTE="Willy105"] The flagship title was actually Kid Icarus, but it was delayed.mmmwksil

Really? Kid Icarus? :?

I would've expected Mario Kart 7.

Halo 3 sold over 12 million.

Halo 3 sold over 12 million.

SpinoRaptor24

cmon 8.5

cmon 8.5

arbitor365

cmon 8.5

cmon 8.5

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] I agree. I have a feeling that GS is going to 8.5 it.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bruceisright"] if they give it more than an 8.0 it will be undeservingBruceisright

And why is it a "last gen" game when the Nintendo Wii is this generation? That doesn't make sense...

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] And why doesn't SS deserve more than an 8.0?bbkkristian

And why is it a "last gen" game when the Nintendo Wii is this generation? That doesn't make sense...

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bruceisright"] if they give it more than an 8.0 it will be undeservingBruceisright

my point exactly. SS looks like a solid 8/10 or 8.5/10

there are too many innovative games out there that are pushing the enevelope and raising bar, for SS to merit a 9+ score or to be GOTY.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"] its a last gen game that does nothing newBruceisright

And why is it a "last gen" game when the Nintendo Wii is this generation? That doesn't make sense...

And when you say that it does nothing new, are you talking about nothing new in the series?

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

And why is it a "last gen" game when the Nintendo Wii is this generation? That doesn't make sense...

And when you say that it does nothing new, are you talking about nothing new in the series?

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] And why doesn't SS deserve more than an 8.0?arbitor365

my point exactly. SS looks like a solid 8/10 or 8.5/10

there are too many innovative games out there that are pushing the enevelope and raising bar, for SS to merit a 9+ score or to be GOTY.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"] lul ok wii "isnt" last gen tech i forgot sorryBruceisright

And when you say that it does nothing new, are you talking about nothing new in the series?

Okay *cracks knuckles* let me inform you of the upcoming Zelda game. (some from the hype thread)

• There are several weapons both new and returning like the bow and the whip.
• A stamina meter will allow for sprinting and running up walls
• Using a bird to travel
• 1 on 1 swordfighting, having to accurately swing precicely at a weakspot of the enemies, not "waggle" like TP
• Drinking health-restoring potions does not interrupt the gameplay anymore
• New antagonist
• New art Style

Sorry if that wasn't enough for you. You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

And when you say that it does nothing new, are you talking about nothing new in the series?

Okay *cracks knuckles* let me inform you of the upcoming Zelda game. (some from the hype thread)

• There are several weapons both new and returning like the bow and the whip.
• A stamina meter will allow for sprinting and running up walls
• Using a bird to travel
• 1 on 1 swordfighting, having to accurately swing precicely at a weakspot of the enemies, not "waggle" like TP
• Drinking health-restoring potions does not interrupt the gameplay anymore
• New antagonist
• New art Style

Sorry if that wasn't enough for you. You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.

You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.bbkkristian

It's hilarious how you're throwing around that buzzword when most of the greatest games this year don't exactly reinvent the wheel eitherShinobishyguy

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.Giancar

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] It's hilarious how you're throwing around that buzzword when most of the greatest games this year don't exactly reinvent the wheel eitherarbitor365

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

The motion controls are an essential part of the gameplay.

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

And when you say that it does nothing new, are you talking about nothing new in the series?

bbkkristian

Okay *cracks knuckles* let me inform you of the upcoming Zelda game. (some from the hype thread)

• There are several weapons both new and returning like the bow and the whip. there is not a single weapon in SS that hasnt already been done countless times in games last generation and most of them have been done in other zelda games. make a list of the weapons. i will give examples of numerous games last gen that have already utilized them
• A stamina meter will allow for sprinting and running up walls lol. stamina meters have been around for quite a while now.
• Using a bird to travel are you saying that a flying mount is a new thing? MMOs have been doing that for years.
• 1 on 1 swordfighting, having to accurately swing precicely at a weakspot of the enemies, not "waggle" like TP precision based combat systems and weak points on enemies are not a new thing.
• Drinking health-restoring potions does not interrupt the gameplay anymore that has pretty much been a standard for real time RPGs and hackNslash games everywhere
• New antagonist you could say that about any new game. honestly this new antagonist doesnt look particularly interesting. i doubt he will be on par with Malcolm MCdowell's (killzone 3) and Andy Serkis's (heavenly sword) parformances.
• New art sty|e not really. its not taking any risks like TP did. its pretty phoned in, to be honest.

Sorry if that wasn't enough for you. sorry that I expect a little bit of actual innovation, top par quality, or at least current gen standards from supposed GOTY contenders

You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.

i wont be playing COD but I will be playing plenty of fun, innovative games or games that at least push the boundaries in some way or another.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] It's hilarious how you're throwing around that buzzword when most of the greatest games this year don't exactly reinvent the wheel eitherShinobishyguy

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

The motion controls are an essential part of the gameplay.

with just a few minor tweaks you could do it with a controller. it would affect the battle system, but they could adjust it. the overall game would be the same

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"] yes as it follows the exact same structure and formulat as the rest adding even better waggle control than beforeas their main inovation and not even adding voice acting to a game that tried to be cinematic? it doesnt even push the boundries of last gen so this gen it has no hopearbitor365

Okay *cracks knuckles* let me inform you of the upcoming Zelda game. (some from the hype thread)

• There are several weapons both new and returning like the bow and the whip. there is not a single weapon in SS that hasnt already been done countless times in games last generation and most of them have been done in other zelda games. make a list of the weapons. i will give examples of numerous games last gen that have already utilized them
• A stamina meter will allow for sprinting and running up walls lol. stamina meters have been around for quite a while now.
• Using a bird to travel are you saying that a flying mount is a new thing? MMOs have been doing that for years.
• 1 on 1 swordfighting, having to accurately swing precicely at a weakspot of the enemies, not "waggle" like TP precision based combat systems and weak points on enemies are not a new thing.
• Drinking health-restoring potions does not interrupt the gameplay anymore that has pretty much been a standard for real time RPGs and hackNslash games everywhere
• New antagonist you could say that about any new game. honestly this new antagonist doesnt particularly interesting. i doubt he will be on par with Malcolm MCdowell's (killzone 3) and Andy Serkis's (heavenly sword) parformances.
• New art sty|e not really. its not taking any risks like TP did. its pretty phoned in, to be honest.

Sorry if that wasn't enough for you. sorry that I expect a little bit of actual innovation, top par quality, or at least current gen standards from supposed GOTY contenders

You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.

i wont be playing COD but I will be playing plenty of fun, innovative games or games that at least push the boundaries in some way or another.

He was talking about new things IN THE SERIES! :x

He was talking about new things IN THE SERIES! :x

bbkkristian

they still arent very big leaps at all. and they arent remotely impressive when compared with RPGs and adventure games out there.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

He was talking about new things IN THE SERIES! :x

arbitor365

they still arent very big leaps at all. and they arent remotely impressive when compared with RPGs and adventure games out there.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"] yes as it follows the exact same structure and formulat as the rest adding even better waggle control than beforeas their main inovation and not even adding voice acting to a game that tried to be cinematic? it doesnt even push the boundries of last gen so this gen it has no hopearbitor365

Okay *cracks knuckles* let me inform you of the upcoming Zelda game. (some from the hype thread)

• There are several weapons both new and returning like the bow and the whip. there is not a single weapon in SS that hasnt already been done countless times in games last generation and most of them have been done in other zelda games. make a list of the weapons. i will give examples of numerous games last gen that have already utilized them
• A stamina meter will allow for sprinting and running up walls lol. stamina meters have been around for quite a while now.
• Using a bird to travel are you saying that a flying mount is a new thing? MMOs have been doing that for years.
• 1 on 1 swordfighting, having to accurately swing precicely at a weakspot of the enemies, not "waggle" like TP precision based combat systems and weak points on enemies are not a new thing.
• Drinking health-restoring potions does not interrupt the gameplay anymore that has pretty much been a standard for real time RPGs and hackNslash games everywhere
• New antagonist you could say that about any new game. honestly this new antagonist doesnt look particularly interesting. i doubt he will be on par with Malcolm MCdowell's (killzone 3) and Andy Serkis's (heavenly sword) parformances.
• New art sty|e not really. its not taking any risks like TP did. its pretty phoned in, to be honest.

Sorry if that wasn't enough for you. sorry that I expect a little bit of actual innovation, top par quality, or at least current gen standards from supposed GOTY contenders

You can go back and play COD:MW3, Uncharted, or Battlefield 3.. Your loss.

i wont be playing COD but I will be playing plenty of fun, innovative games or games that at least push the boundaries in some way or another.

And TP actually took risks? There goes your argument

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

He was talking about new things IN THE SERIES! :x

arbitor365

they still arent very big leaps at all. and they arent remotely impressive when compared with RPGs and adventure games out there.

If a Zelda game with the polish of Skyrim ever came out, it would be branded as the worst Zelda game Nintendo has ever made.

Just looking at the textures pop in on Skyrim is painful, it would not be acceptable on the N64, let alone the Wii.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

arbitor365

The motion controls are an essential part of the gameplay.

with just a few minor tweaks you could do it with a controller. it would affect the battle system, but they could adjust it. the overall game would be the same

This is decidely incorrect. Not only would the removal of motion controls destroy the battle system and a great deal of puzzles, it would also make it a completely different game.

Just like how the removal of the pointer in Super Mario Galaxy would drastically change the game. It seems like a simple addition, but the removal of it would require every single level to be redone to accomade for the fact that you can no longer summon objects from the distance.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

arbitor365

The motion controls are an essential part of the gameplay.

with just a few minor tweaks you could do it with a controller. it would affect the battle system, but they could adjust it. the overall game would be the same

Dude no. You don't know what you're talking about at all you're a blind cow and if you weren't you'd know that everything from flying, tightrope walking, puzzles, combat, item use, ALL are used with motion controls in mind. You know what game COULD have been done last generation? Ucharted 1,2, and 3, just with not as pretty graphics.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] It's hilarious how you're throwing around that buzzword when most of the greatest games this year don't exactly reinvent the wheel eitherarbitor365

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

Both of your paragraphs are incorrect.

The Uncharted trilogy, while very high quality games and centerpieces for Sony's first party lineup, are not 'paragon' for the action and shooter genres. You'd have to be very brainwashed to believe that. As for 'best game of the generation', it is best to say that after the generation is over (and even then, it has to beat the top 2 highest rated games this generation: the Mario Galaxy games).

And I assume you are very uneducated on Skyward Sword or games in general to say that it could graphically or gameplay wise be accomplished on the Gamecube. By that logic, Skyrim could also be done on the Gamecube (after all, it's not all that different gameplay wise from Morrowmind, and it's environments are comparatively as big as Xenoblade).

't know what you're talking about at all you're a blind cow and if you weren't you'd know that everything from flying, tightrope walking, puzzles, combat, item use, ALL are used with motion controls in mind. Jolt_counter119

lol and as we all know, we didnt have any of that stuff before the wii mote came along

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]'t know what you're talking about at all you're a blind cow and if you weren't you'd know that everything from flying, tightrope walking, puzzles, combat, item use, ALL are used with motion controls in mind. arbitor365

lol and as we all know, we didnt have any of that stuff before the wii mote came along

lol because I totally said they didn't. I don't know what you don't understand about motion controls changing the gameplay but hey you're a big boy now you can go read the reviews and find out for yourself.

You know what game COULD have been done last generation? Ucharted 1,2, and 3, just with not as pretty graphics.

Jolt_counter119

um no. it couldnt have, even with lower graphics. why?

for one thing there was no engine available back then that could accommodate the environment destructibility, the level design, and the set peices of the uncharted games.

motion capture character animations were still in their early stages at that time and that alone would impede most of the uncharted experience

cover systems were new last gen. killswitch was one of the first TPS games to have one and it broke new ground. but compared to TPS games today, its clunky and unreliable. so there would be no chance of a cover system as complex and diverse as uncharted existing back then. once again, there was a lack of a proper engine for that sort of thing. and its a central component to the uncharted games

so that is not even remotely comparable. uncharted is a pure current gen game, if ever there was one.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]'t know what you're talking about at all you're a blind cow and if you weren't you'd know that everything from flying, tightrope walking, puzzles, combat, item use, ALL are used with motion controls in mind. Jolt_counter119

lol and as we all know, we didnt have any of that stuff before the wii mote came along

lol because I totally said they didn't. I don't know what you don't understand about motion controls changing the gameplay but hey you're a big boy now you can go read the reviews and find out for yourself.

people praised games like no more heroes, boom blox, mario galaxy, and more for their motion controls, but they would still be just as good without them. motion controls are not what make the games great.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

lol and as we all know, we didnt have any of that stuff before the wii mote came along

arbitor365

lol because I totally said they didn't. I don't know what you don't understand about motion controls changing the gameplay but hey you're a big boy now you can go read the reviews and find out for yourself.

people praised games like no more heroes, boom blox, mario galaxy, and more for their motion controls, but they would still be just as good without them. motion controls are not what make the games great.

Boom Blox, really. Dude you have no idea what you'r talking about anymore and if it means anything (and it doesn't) I haven't liked a single motion control set-up on the wii ever. Yet Saying Skyward Sword could be done on Gamecube is such a dumb thing to say.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

lol and as we all know, we didnt have any of that stuff before the wii mote came along

arbitor365

lol because I totally said they didn't. I don't know what you don't understand about motion controls changing the gameplay but hey you're a big boy now you can go read the reviews and find out for yourself.

people praised games like no more heroes, boom blox, mario galaxy, and more for their motion controls, but they would still be just as good without them. motion controls are not what make the games great.

Neither are analog sticks.

You could certainly play the Uncharted games with a D-Pad, and it would still be great.

But you certainly would lose a lot.

GameSpot's reviewer won't give Zelda anything less than a 9.

Not after what Nintendo did to Gerstman after his Twilight Princess review.

GameSpot's reviewer won't give Zelda anything less than a 9.

Not after what Nintendo did to Gerstman after his Twilight Princess review.

TheFallenDemon

What did Nintendo do to him? Nothing happened to him after his TP review.

He was eventually fired from Gamespot, but not because of Nintendo.

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

GameSpot's reviewer won't give Zelda anything less than a 9.

Not after what Nintendo did to Gerstman after his Twilight Princess review.

Willy105

What did Nintendo do to him? Nothing happened to him after his TP review.

He was eventually fired from Gamespot, but not because of Nintendo.

Ah, so you're one of the people who still think he was fired for Kane & Lynch?

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

GameSpot's reviewer won't give Zelda anything less than a 9.

Not after what Nintendo did to Gerstman after his Twilight Princess review.

TheFallenDemon

What did Nintendo do to him? Nothing happened to him after his TP review.

He was eventually fired from Gamespot, but not because of Nintendo.

Ah, so you're one of the people who still think he was fired for Kane & Lynch?

Or maybe the game is 9.0-10 worthy... Ever think of that?

[QUOTE="Bruceisright"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] And why doesn't SS deserve more than an 8.0?arbitor365

my point exactly. SS looks like a solid 8/10 or 8.5/10

there are too many innovative games out there that are pushing the enevelope and raising bar, for SS to merit a 9+ score or to be GOTY.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

GameSpot's reviewer won't give Zelda anything less than a 9.

Not after what Nintendo did to Gerstman after his Twilight Princess review.

TheFallenDemon

What did Nintendo do to him? Nothing happened to him after his TP review.

He was eventually fired from Gamespot, but not because of Nintendo.

Ah, so you're one of the people who still think he was fired for Kane & Lynch?

He was terminated for a reason, but there is no evidence that Nintendo was the reason (Nintendo has never cared for reviews, even their own magazine used to make reviews that weren't totally biased).

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] It's hilarious how you're throwing around that buzzword when most of the greatest games this year don't exactly reinvent the wheel eitherarbitor365

there is a difference between uncharted 3, which is lightly building upon what is already quite possibly the best game of this generation and undoubtedly a paragon for the action genre and shooters everywhere

and Skyward Sword, which graphically and gameplay wise could, for all intents and purposes, have been accomplished on the gamecube, 5 or 6 years ago

Not really. The 1:1 swordplay makes the whole game, and the reviews I've read stated that the motion plus makes each enemy encounter a puzzle of it's own, and you have to decide where you're gonna swing your wiimote to break the enemy's defenses, instead of waiting and mashing the A button