Lemmings, stop making the forza franchise out to be more than it is!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

KaoSXFACTOR

How do you figure when the ratings say otherwise? :?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

dream431ca

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

Seriously, all GT fans should just chill out. You know the reason why lemmings are shoving this "GT isnt an AAA franchise" crap in your face? Its because they feel threatened by the game, and know its quality too. Honestly, why care so much what this site thinks? Metacritic/Gamerankings prove the WORLD thinks GT is an AAA franchise, who cares about little old system wars. You all should just chill.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

heretrix

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

sales =/= quality

Sales doesn't make GT good. It makes it popular. Just like Halo.

Forza Motorsport is the console racing sim king. And has been since the first Forza came out on the Xbox. The only way GT5 could be better is if it includes all that Forza 3 does, and more, and comes out before October 27th, 2009.

foxhound_fox

halo 1 2 and 3 are AAA games but gt is not so it is not fair to say halo sold because it is popular. it sold because it is an AAA game unlike GT which will sell because it is only popular.

[QUOTE="halo_wars86"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

sales =/= quality

Sales doesn't make GT good. It makes it popular. Just like Halo.

Forza Motorsport is the console racing sim king. And has been since the first Forza came out on the Xbox. The only way GT5 could be better is if it includes all that Forza 3 does, and more, and comes out before October 27th, 2009.

h575309

halo 1 2 and 3 are AAA games but gt is not so it is not fair to say halo sold because it is popular. it sold because it is an AAA game unlike GT which will sell because it is only popular.

Yes this is correct. GT is an utter crap franchise thats basically like buying crap in a box and smearing it on my TV. I dont think you people even realize how incredibly ignorant you sound with these posts. I mean are you serious with this crap or are you so unbelievably biased that only games that come on your console of choice are good?

This is system wars. Take a chill pill. :?

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

mrarmyman48

Forza is a AAA racing series while GT isn't. :?

i am not biased i have a ps3 and for the past 5 months have been enjoying it much more than the 360. but it is simple fact forza 1 and forza 2 raised the bar VERY high that gt games are NO MATCH FOR. maybe gt5 will be better than forza 3 but until they get released forza 2 is still the best racing sim. gt4 is a good game but it is project gotham racing standard and not forza 2.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

dream431ca

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

That is completely backwards.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Not here it isn't.

heretrix

[QUOTE="h575309"]

[QUOTE="halo_wars86"]

halo 1 2 and 3 are AAA games but gt is not so it is not fair to say halo sold because it is popular. it sold because it is an AAA game unlike GT which will sell because it is only popular.

KaoSXFACTOR

Yes this is correct. GT is an utter crap franchise thats basically like buying crap in a box and smearing it on my TV. I dont think you people even realize how incredibly ignorant you sound with these posts. I mean are you serious with this crap or are you so unbelievably biased that only games that come on your console of choice are good?

This is system wars. Take a chill pill. :?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

Legend_KilIer_

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

That is completely backwards.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] so....in this imaginary world of systemwars, among this small community of forum users on this one website, forza is AAA and GT is AA due to some "technicality" amirite? you can continue to live in this fantasyland if you want to, but i live in reality, and in the reality of the real world, GT is AAA and forza is AA. no amount of symantics will change that FACT. the numbers dont lieAlpha-Male22

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

Legend_KilIer_

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

That is completely backwards.

Wrong.

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

BioShockOwnz

There has not been a true current gen GT yet.

Face it, GT5 will PWN in sales and scores and content and graphics and More!

:)

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Then go post somewhere else. It isn't an imaginary world arbitrary decision, it's so people won't pull in a whole bunch of BS sites review scores trying to prove some lame ownage. Those same sites that places like gamerankings and Metacritic use to come up with their "score". You don't like the game? Don't play here.

h575309

[QUOTE="Legend_KilIer_"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Forza is a AA franchise. GT is a AAA franchise.

dream431ca

That is completely backwards.

Wrong.

:|

We only use GameSpot. Forza has had nothing but AAA games. GT has had only one AAA game.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.

Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.

There has not been a true current gen GT yet.

Face it, GT5 will PWN in sales and scores and content and graphics and More!

:)

well apperantly on gamerankings, GT is an AAA franchise, 3 of the 4 main games have scored AAA, and two of them are in gamerankings top 50 games of all time. and forza has only one AAA game on GR. apparently the WORLD thinks GR is AAA and forza is AA, Oh, and good thing for sony that the WORLD doesnt think GT is a crap franchise isnt it. good thing for sony that the WORLD decides which one was betterand not this one website, and the world picked which one it liked better by unanimous decision with both scores and sales. but you can continue to live in system wars fantasy land, among this small comunity of this one website. mrarmyman48

Why are you reaching back to the first three GT games for comparison? The Forza series didn't even exist until GT4, so why not compare it with that?

Oh, it's because GT4 lost...

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Legend_KilIer_"]

That is completely backwards.

Wrong.

:|

We only use GameSpot. Forza has had nothing but AAA games. GT has had only one AAA game.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] I dont understand that reasoning. Why fear people pulling out sites that are unreliable when people seem to be fine using one universal website such as GameRankings? I know that this is Gamespot, but even so, I dont understand the triviality of all this.heretrix

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"]well apperantly on gamerankings, GT is an AAA franchise, 3 of the 4 main games have scored AAA, and two of them are in gamerankings top 50 games of all time. and forza has only one AAA game on GR. apparently the WORLD thinks GR is AAA and forza is AA, Oh, and good thing for sony that the WORLD doesnt think GT is a crap franchise isnt it. good thing for sony that the WORLD decides which one was betterand not this one website, and the world picked which one it liked better by unanimous decision with both scores and sales. but you can continue to live in system wars fantasy land, among this small comunity of this one website. Gamer556

Why are you reaching back to the first three GT games for comparison? The Forza series didn't even exist until GT4, so why not compare it with that?

Oh, it's because GT4 lost...

well apperantly on gamerankings, GT is an AAA franchise, 3 of the 4 main games have scored AAA, and two of them are in gamerankings top 50 games of all time. and forza has only one AAA game on GR. apparently the WORLD thinks GR is AAA and forza is AA, Oh, and good thing for sony that the WORLD doesnt think GT is a crap franchise isnt it. good thing for sony that the WORLD decides which one was betterand not this one website, and the world picked which one it liked better by unanimous decision with both scores and sales. but you can continue to live in system wars fantasy land, among this small comunity of this one website. mrarmyman48

Why are you reaching back to the first three GT games for comparison? The Forza series didn't even exist until GT4, so why not compare it with that?

Oh, it's because GT4 lost...

[QUOTE="Legend_KilIer_"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Wrong.

dream431ca

:|

We only use GameSpot. Forza has had nothing but AAA games. GT has had only one AAA game.

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

[QUOTE="Legend_KilIer_"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Wrong.

dream431ca

:|

We only use GameSpot. Forza has had nothing but AAA games. GT has had only one AAA game.

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

Yea and FM1 came out right after GT4 and raised the bar.. Compare it to GT4--- onwards because of lack of competition.

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

dream431ca

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

I guess Mario Kart is better than GT by your logic. Nice try.OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

install base.. thats all i gotta say.

mrarmyman48

That makes no sense. It doesnt matter what the install base is when a game is released because the game can and will continue selling. The eventual install base will determine to a much greater degree the number of copies sold. The only way your statement can make sense is if a game only sells when it is released, hence it will be limited to the install base at that time. But we know thats not the case, we know that the PS2 install base grew to a huge 150m units and we also know that GT3 was on sale for all that time, right ? lol

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

The__Havoc

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

mrarmyman48

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

Fact: This is GameSpot, and only review scores from GameSpot have any meaning

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

The__Havoc

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

Gamerankings? Why would I use that? By the way, your still wrong.

When will you cows realize that when GT 1-3 did so well, there was absolutely NO competition for the console racing sim.

When Forza came along, standards rose, thus you can't bring GT 1-3 into the equation, because there essentially was no competition to be compared with.

Forza gave GT4 a run for its money, crafting an overall better racing simulator

Seriously, the damage control is getting old.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

install base.. thats all i gotta say.

DAZZER7

That makes no sense. It doesnt matter what the install base is when a game is released because the game can and will continue selling. The eventual install base will determine to a much greater degree the number of copies sold. The only way your statement can make sense is if a game only sells when it is released, hence it will be limited to the install base at that time. But we know thats not the case, we know that the PS2 install base grew to a huge 150m units and we also know that GT3 was on sale for all that time, right ? lol

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

mrarmyman48

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

So you claim gamespot scores are a technicallity huh? Scientifically using one objective site for both is definately far more accurate then all the fan sites, all the other sites whom nobody has ever heard of, not to mention we would have OXM and OPM scores thrown into the mix. Add in also we wouldn't even have the same number of reviews to compare both games to as they each have a different number.

Regardless even if I went by gamerankings it would look like this.

Forza 1 = 92.77%

GT4 = 89.19%

92.77 > 89.19

So even if I did use your logic again I ask. What makes your point? These two games went head to head and its obvious which was more critically acclaimed. Am I not seeing Forza 1 score > GT4 score or am I blind? Please in depth explain me your logic on this subject because one I just came into this thread and dtwo it doesn't seem like your logic supports your point of view as I have proven.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nice excuse. Still wrong.

mrarmyman48

My man you seem to be the one making exuses. So you claim Forza is a AA franchise while GT is a AAA franchise. Still wrong? Well what makes him wrong and what makes you right?

Forza 1 = 9.2

Forza 2 = 9.2

GT1 = 8.5

GT2 = 8.6

GT3 = 9.4

GT4 = 8.9

GT doesn't even average out to a AAA score. So tell me. Explain to me how GT is a AAA franchise and how Forza is a AA Franchise. I already know I'm going to hear the exuse of you using gamerankings but maybe you'll give me something different and entertaining.

While I agree gamespot is simply 1 opinion, using gamerankings incorperates reviews from many many biased sites including reviews from playstation magazine etc. Only a handful of sites offer unbiaised reviews (even then I have had my doubts). This skews the results slightly.

Gamerankings? Why would I use that? By the way, your still wrong.

dream431ca

So explain to me the logic behind the metric you are measuring these games? By my metrics I am right and you are wrong. Both Gamespot and Gamerankings. So what metric are you exactly using? Keep in mind you said that I live in fantasy land. Lets just see where you come from then.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Gamerankings? Why would I use that? By the way, your still wrong.

The__Havoc

So explain to me the logic behind the metric you are measuring these games? By my metrics I am right and you are wrong. Both Gamespot and Gamerankings. So what metric are you exactly using? Keep in mind you said that I live in fantasy land. Lets just see where you come from then.

Fantasy land? Where did I say that? You are trying WAY to hard, and your still wrong.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] ps2 install base at GT3 launch=10,996,465 stop acting like the ps2 started out at 150 million units soldmrarmyman48

That makes no sense. It doesnt matter what the install base is when a game is released because the game can and will continue selling. The eventual install base will determine to a much greater degree the number of copies sold. The only way your statement can make sense is if a game only sells when it is released, hence it will be limited to the install base at that time. But we know thats not the case, we know that the PS2 install base grew to a huge 150m units and we also know that GT3 was on sale for all that time, right ? lol

Yes the game was still being sold after GT4, it would have also had a platinum version etc. Stop pretending game stop selling after they are released (rolls eyes). There is no denying that the game was in shops through several christmas holidays on one of the most rapidly expanding install bases a console has seen.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Gamerankings? Why would I use that? By the way, your still wrong.

dream431ca

So explain to me the logic behind the metric you are measuring these games? By my metrics I am right and you are wrong. Both Gamespot and Gamerankings. So what metric are you exactly using? Keep in mind you said that I live in fantasy land. Lets just see where you come from then.

Fantasy land? Where did I say that? You are trying WAY to hard, and your still wrong.

Explain to me how I am wrong when I listed you scores from GS and GR proving my claims.

Explain to me how you are right when you haven't listed and evidence, proof, or metric scale of judgement.

Are you ever going to explain yourself or are you just going to keep attempting to lead me in circles?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

So explain to me the logic behind the metric you are measuring these games? By my metrics I am right and you are wrong. Both Gamespot and Gamerankings. So what metric are you exactly using? Keep in mind you said that I live in fantasy land. Lets just see where you come from then.

The__Havoc

Fantasy land? Where did I say that? You are trying WAY to hard, and your still wrong.

Explain to me how I am wrong when I listed you scores from GS and GR proving my claims.

Explain to me how you are right when you haven't listed and evidence, proof, or metric scale of judgement.

Are you ever going to explain yourself or are you just going to keep attempting to lead me in circles?

I'll ask you a question: Have you played all the GT games and all the Forza games?

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

That makes no sense. It doesnt matter what the install base is when a game is released because the game can and will continue selling. The eventual install base will determine to a much greater degree the number of copies sold. The only way your statement can make sense is if a game only sells when it is released, hence it will be limited to the install base at that time. But we know thats not the case, we know that the PS2 install base grew to a huge 150m units and we also know that GT3 was on sale for all that time, right ? lol

DAZZER7

Yes the game was still being sold after GT4, it would have also had a platinum version etc. Stop pretending game stop selling after they are released (rolls eyes). There is no denying that the game was in shops through several christmas holidays on one of the most rapidly expanding install bases a console has seen.

Sales don't make a game good TC, the forza games are the absolute peak of racing simulation.