Lemmings, stop making the forza franchise out to be more than it is!
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did you not read the part where it says:Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.
Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.
BioShockOwnz
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GT=94.71% (#26 best game of all time on GR)
GT2=92.52% GT3=94.29% (#40 best game of all time on GR)
GT4=89.19% Forza=92.77%
Forza 2=89.61%
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forza mite be AAA franchise is GS but in the real world its not.
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
Fantasy land? Where did I say that? You are trying WAY to hard, and your still wrong.
dream431ca
Explain to me how I am wrong when I listed you scores from GS and GR proving my claims.
Explain to me how you are right when you haven't listed and evidence, proof, or metric scale of judgement.
Are you ever going to explain yourself or are you just going to keep attempting to lead me in circles?
I'll ask you a question: Have you played all the GT games and all the Forza games?
Why are you replying to a question with another question? By doing that I assume you have no answer to my question? If you can't explain yourself then just tell me that you just made up your claims with no basis and that you can't explain why you made those comments.
89.9% = AAA according to cows when it came to Uncharted, so why has the rule suddenly changed when it comes to Forza 2?
Also,I thought sales don't matter to you cows? :lol:
Well, lets see. Forza 1 was releases just after GT4. And it scored Higher. I wont bring in GT1,2,3 becuase there was nor Forza then. and I wont bring in F2, because theres no rival GT for it. So, when they released in the same time period, Forza won. SO yes, it has beat GT. :)nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
YekDastan316
forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.YekDastan316Forza is a AAA franchise while GT is not.
[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] yes because sony was still shipping millions of copies of GT3 after GT4 was released right? and millions were still buying GT3 with GT4 out...... (rolls eyes) Sigh.....GT4 came out in 05, so in about 44 months 15 million units were moved.mrarmyman48
Yes the game was still being sold after GT4, it would have also had a platinum version etc. Stop pretending game stop selling after they are released (rolls eyes). There is no denying that the game was in shops through several christmas holidays on one of the most rapidly expanding install bases a console has seen.
do you honestly believe copies of GT3 were being bought by the millions after GT4 was out?I have no way of determining it but the picture you paint isn't exactly accurate either. You were quoting an install base of 10m when GT3 released. There is no way so many copies of the game would have been sold had the PS2 not sold in such rediculous numbers. Such a massive install base is bound to have an effect on the number of copies sold. Add to that it was the only racing game of its kind on consoles.
Also, never underestimate casual gamers appetite for low price games. You coming from the point of view of someone who is very into gaming (you're on a gaming website). Most people who owned a PS2 last gen are not like you, most were late adoptors, to them buying a game late onis no big deal especially if its a platinum deal. Now this would equate to slow trickle of sales throughout the year and a small spike over christmas. Think about how many years this game was on the market for. I'm not saying it sold hugely after GT4 came out, butn its a long time to be on the market multiplied by a massive install base. I just have a problem with how you make out that its sold in such huge numbers with such a tiny install base. Thats not the true picture.
Unless the PS3 is going hit the sales heights of the PS2 then GT5 is not going to sell like previous GT titles.
It seems that cows can't decided whether they want to use GR or GS. Make up your minds, lol.
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
YekDastan316
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
Forza is a AAA franchise. GT is not. Sure, sales matter for the company, but it does not make it a better product. Filet mignon is obviously better than a McD's hamburger, but that's not what the majority eats, is it? Forza is the cream of the crop, my friend.
Btw, no need to get all upset over games. It needs to be put in its place? It has. A AAA franchise, unlike GT.
BioShockOwnz
So because GT has one flop and a demo it suddenly voids all that it accomplished, maybe i'm confused but i'm pretty sure thats not how it works, if it was then wouldn't mario be considered a AA franchise?
do you honestly believe copies of GT3 were being bought by the millions after GT4 was out?[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]
Yes the game was still being sold after GT4, it would have also had a platinum version etc. Stop pretending game stop selling after they are released (rolls eyes). There is no denying that the game was in shops through several christmas holidays on one of the most rapidly expanding install bases a console has seen.
DAZZER7
I have no way of determining it but the picture you paint isn't exactly accurate either. You were quoting an install base of 10m when GT3 released. There is no way so many copies of the game would have been sold had the PS2 not sold in such rediculous numbers. Such a massive install base is bound to have an effect on the number of copies sold. Add to that it was the only racing game of its kind on consoles.
Also, never underestimate casual gamers appetite for low price games. You coming from the point of view of someone who is very into gaming (you're on a gaming website). Most people who owned a PS2 last gen are not like you, most were late adoptors, to them buying a game late onis no big deal especially if its a platinum deal. Now this would equate to slow trickle of sales throughout the year and a small spike over christmas. Think about how many years this game was on the market for. I'm not saying it sold hugely after GT4 came out, butn its a long time to be on the market multiplied by a massive install base. I just have a problem with how you make out that its sold in such huge numbers with such a tiny install base. Thats not the true picture.
Unless the PS3 is going hit the sales heights of the PS2 then GT5 is not going to sell like previous GT titles.
i wasnt trying to brag about how it sold so well on such a small install base. im only trying to negate the arguement that GT sold well ONLY BECAUSE of ps2s large install base
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nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
The__Havoc
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
That's an opinion and not a fact.
Why explain to a fanboy? Your still wrong.
dream431ca
So being a fanboy of logic, evidence and proof is a bad thing? News flash my man. How am I wrong? What I stated was correct and that is a fact. Those scores on GS and GR are in fact correct. Your evidence is not. Because well fabrications and opinons based on emotion hold no ground.
Since you are not going to provide any facts, evidence, or proof to back up your claims then I don't see how you can say whats right and whats wrong. And really calling me a fanboy? Lets try to stay on a civilized logical debate here. If you ever feel like coming back and providing your proof of claim let me know.
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
Why explain to a fanboy? Your still wrong.
The__Havoc
So being a fanboy of logic, evidence and proof is a bad thing? News flash my man. How am I wrong? What I stated was correct and that is a fact. Those scores on GS and GR are in fact correct. Your evidence is not. Because well fabrications and opinons based on emotion hold no ground.
Since you are not going to provide any facts, evidence, or proof to back up your claims then I don't see how you can say whats right and whats wrong. And really calling me a fanboy? Lets try to stay on a civilized logical debate here. If you ever feel like coming back and providing your proof of claim let me know.
You could just stop replying to my posts you know. LOL
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
dream431ca
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
That's an opinion and not a fact.
Reviewers get paid for their opinion, you do not. Yes it isn't a fact that it's better, but GR is a good indicator of the general quality of the game.
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
dream431ca
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
That's an opinion and not a fact.
Explain how that is an opinion. He said that Forza never beat GT in ratings and I just proved that it did. There is no opinion in showing the data of numerical sores. The reveiws themselves are opinion. But showing evidence that Forza has higher ratings then GT is not an opinion and if it is then whos opinion would it be?
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
Why explain to a fanboy? Your still wrong.
dream431ca
So being a fanboy of logic, evidence and proof is a bad thing? News flash my man. How am I wrong? What I stated was correct and that is a fact. Those scores on GS and GR are in fact correct. Your evidence is not. Because well fabrications and opinons based on emotion hold no ground.
Since you are not going to provide any facts, evidence, or proof to back up your claims then I don't see how you can say whats right and whats wrong. And really calling me a fanboy? Lets try to stay on a civilized logical debate here. If you ever feel like coming back and providing your proof of claim let me know.
You could just stop replying to my posts you know. LOL
So you finally realized you have nothing to back up your claims with huh? Would have saved us all so much time if you came out and said it earlier.
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
WINDWAKER1
That's an opinion and not a fact.
Reviewers get paid for their opinion, you do not. Yes it isn't a fact that it's better, but GR is a good indicator of the general quality of the game.
I agree with you, but having played both franchises myself I can compare the 2 myself and come up with my own decision.
[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
The__Havoc
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
your only comparing one game. your using this "factual information" because its the ONLY thing that supports your arguement. forza is an AA series and GT is an AAA series. why ignore the past games?according to the general concensus the GT series has CONSISTANTLY put out AAA titles, while forza has not. that is the ONLY factual information that matters. the world unanimously thinks GT is the better franchise. good thing for sony, their checkbook balance depends on this unanimous decision and not your flawed system wars logic isnt it?[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
That's an opinion and not a fact.
dream431ca
Reviewers get paid for their opinion, you do not. Yes it isn't a fact that it's better, but GR is a good indicator of the general quality of the game.
I agree with you, but having played both franchises myself I can compare the 2 myself and come up with my own decision.
Ahh, yes, but your decision is not a fact. :P[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]
Reviewers get paid for their opinion, you do not. Yes it isn't a fact that it's better, but GR is a good indicator of the general quality of the game.
bronxxbombers
I agree with you, but having played both franchises myself I can compare the 2 myself and come up with my own decision.
Ahh, yes, but your decision is not a fact. :0No it is not, however I feel comfortable with my decision and that's all that matters.
[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place. forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratings and not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
your only comparing one game. your using this "factual information" because its the ONLY thing that supports your arguement. forza is an AA series and GT is an AAA series. why ignore the past games?according to the general concensus the GT series has CONSISTANTLY put out AAA titles, while forza has not. that is the ONLY factual information that matters. the world unanimously thinks GT is the better franchise. good thing for sony, their checkbook balance depends on this unanimous decision and not your flawed system wars logic isnt it? The only games you can compare are GT 4 and Forza. You cannot compare games that game out at different times, nor can you compare series, especially when Forza isnt a series yet, because its only had 2 games so far. So, the with the only 2 games from the same time period, Forza wins.Ahh, yes, but your decision is not a fact. :0[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]
I agree with you, but having played both franchises myself I can compare the 2 myself and come up with my own decision.
dream431ca
No it is not, however I feel comfortable with my decision and that's all that matters.
So your metric is your opinion. Fine by me.
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"][QUOTE="YekDastan316"]
nice thread for a level 1. this should put lemmings in their place.forza series never beat GT series in any way. not in ratingsand not in their "sales" that they like to brag about all the time.
mrarmyman48
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
your only comparing one game. your using this "factual information" because its the ONLY thing that supports your arguement. forza is an AA series and GT is an AAA series. why ignore the past games?according to the general concensus the GT series has CONSISTANTLY put out AAA titles, while forza has not. that is the ONLY factual information that matters. the world unanimously thinks GT is the better franchise. good thing for sony, their checkbook balance depends on this unanimous decision and not your flawed system wars logic isnt it?Why would I need to compare more then one game? One example is all that is needed to disprove his claim and prove that it is wrong. I don't have an arguement. All I did was disprove his claim with "THE FACT" If you can please show me where in the large red bolded font that I lied or didn't show factual data then please point me out where I made my mistake and then correct my mistake with the correct data. I don't care for your opinions nor anyone elses. I don't debate via emotion or against someone who is caught up in emotion. When debating I only deal with the factual data. And as I've said if the data is wrong then please correct it.
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Ahh, yes, but your decision is not a fact. :0The__Havoc
No it is not, however I feel comfortable with my decision and that's all that matters.
So your metric is your opinion. Fine by me.
That is correct. I have played both franchises, GT, GT2, 3, 4, 5P / Forza, Forza 2. I really don't need a gaming site to tell me which franchise is better.
your only comparing one game. your using this "factual information" because its the ONLY thing that supports your arguement. forza is an AA series and GT is an AAA series. why ignore the past games?according to the general concensus the GT series has CONSISTANTLY put out AAA titles, while forza has not. that is the ONLY factual information that matters. the world unanimously thinks GT is the better franchise. good thing for sony, their checkbook balance depends on this unanimous decision and not your flawed system wars logic isnt it?[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
What is it with this forum? Is deliberately ignoring factual information like the cool thing to do or something?
I specifically stated a couple posts back.
GS scores: Forza 9.2 > GT4 = 8.9
GR scores: Forza 92.77%> GT4 = 89.12%
These games went head to head with near the same release dates man.
The__Havoc
Why would I need to compare more then one game? One example is all that is needed to disprove his claim and prove that it is wrong. I don't have an arguement. All I did was disprove his claim with "THE FACT" If you can please show me where in the large red bolded font that I lied or didn't show factual data then please point me out where I made my mistake and then correct my mistake with the correct data. I don't care for your opinions nor anyone elses. I don't debate via emotion or against someone who is caught up in emotion. When debating I only deal with the factual data. And as I've said if the data is wrong then please correct it.
You did not provide facts, you provided the opinions of others. Any gamer's opinion (who isn't biased or drunk), is just as good as the "professional" opinion as you provided. If the gamers have played the games then their opinions are just as valid.
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
No it is not, however I feel comfortable with my decision and that's all that matters.
dream431ca
So your metric is your opinion. Fine by me.
That is correct. I have played both franchises, GT, GT2, 3, 4, 5P / Forza, Forza 2. I really don't need a gaming site to tell me which franchise is better.
Yet still by your logic you used your opinion to call others data or others opinions wrong. Whats to stop them from doing the same to yours? Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. This is why metric data is used as its fruitless for everyone to push their opinions on eachother. Nobody says you have to agree with scores and reviews but the basis they are used for in this forum tends to be used so posters don't go back and forth in a standstill forcing their emotions on others. You called me a fanboy for pointing out data. Yet you are the one pushing your emotions on me. I can't help but say that you are being contradicting in the manner of which you speak.
The only games you can compare are GT 4 and Forza. You cannot compare games that game out at different times, nor can you compare series, especially when Forza isnt a series yet, because its only had 2 games so far. So, the with the only 2 games from the same time period, Forza wins.bronxxbombersthe current lemming consensus is that GT is an AA franchise, and forza is an AAA franchise, and I proved that wrong. that is the point of the thread. lemmings for some reason think that GT5 will be inferior to forza 3 because GT is an "AA franchise" and forza is an "AAA franchise" (in this imaginary reality we call system wars) I proved that by unanimous decision that the WORLD argeed GT is an AAA franchise and forza is AA. good thing sonys bank balance depends on the REAL WORLD's decision and not this system wars alternate reality
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]
So your metric is your opinion. Fine by me.
The__Havoc
That is correct. I have played both franchises, GT, GT2, 3, 4, 5P / Forza, Forza 2. I really don't need a gaming site to tell me which franchise is better.
Yet still by your logic you used your opinion to call others data or others opinions wrong. Whats to stop them from doing the same to yours? Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. This is why metric data is used as its fruitless for everyone to push their opinions on eachother. Nobody says you have to agree with scores and reviews but the basis they are used for in this forum tends to be used so posters don't go back and forth in a standstill forcing their emotions on others. You called me a fanboy for pointing out data. Yet you are the one pushing your emotions on me. I can't help but say that you are being contradicting in the manner of which you speak.
Yes. I admit I was a bit harsh when I said you were wrong, and I apologize for the fanboy comment. Do you have your opinions on the games? Or do you like to use the opinions of so called "professionals"? If that also sounded a bit harsh I apologize in advance.
You did not provide facts, you provided the opinions of others. Any gamer's opinion (who isn't biased or drunk), is just as good as the "professional" opinion as you provided. If the gamers have played the games then their opinions are just as valid.
dream431ca
Saying that GS gave (insert game) X score is a fact. That was the score that was given and it is a fact that the game recieved that score. An opinion is used to form the score of a game. But claiming that (insert game) recieved X score is a fact.
It is a fact that Street Fighter IV recieved a 9.0 from Gamespot. There is no evidence you can find that shows that it recieving the score of 9.0 is not a fact. There is no way to know if what people say is true. There is no way for people to know who has played what game and who hasn't played what game. As I said before I dont' care for the emotional opinions of others. Based on a metric a game recieves a score. It is a fact that the game in question revieved X score. Scores are based on opinions but the fact remains it received X score. That is all.
its not the cows making uncharteds graphics out like that. its EVERY single reviewer and game journalist that is doing it. it is the general consensus by the reviewers and gaming sites, not just of cows. lulz ,someone get me that list of uncharted 2's awards pleaseCows, stop making uncharted's graphics out to be more than it is8)
Camer999
[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] The only games you can compare are GT 4 and Forza. You cannot compare games that game out at different times, nor can you compare series, especially when Forza isnt a series yet, because its only had 2 games so far. So, the with the only 2 games from the same time period, Forza wins.mrarmyman48the current lemming consensus is that GT is an AA franchise, and forza is an AAA franchise, and I proved that wrong. that is the point of the thread. lemmings for some reason think that GT5 will be inferior to forza 3 because GT is an "AA franchise" and forza is an "AAA franchise" (in this imaginary reality we call system wars) I proved that by unanimous decision that the WORLD argeed GT is an AAA franchise and forza is AA. good thing sonys bank balance depends on the REAL WORLD's decision and not this system wars alternate reality Now, I have Metacrtic for you. If we are comparing series, then I have this for you...The average ratings are at the end. Forza 2. Xbox: Forza Motorsport (2005) 92 Microsoft 3. Xbox 360: Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) 90 Forzas average=91 GT 2. Playstation: Gran Turismo (1998) 96 Sony Computer Entertainment America 3. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4 (2005) 89 Sony Computer Entertainment America 4. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (2008) 80 Sony Computer Entertainment 5. Playstation: Gran Turismo 2 (1999) 93 Sony (SCEA) 6. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo HD Concept (2006) 82 Sony Computer Entertainment 7. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4: Prologue (2004) 70 Sony Computer Entertainment 8. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (2001) 95 Sony Computer Entertainment 9. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo Concept 2002: Tokyo-Geneva (2002) 74 Sony Computer Entertainment Europe GTs average=84.87 So, as you can see, in a series V series average, Forza wins.
[QUOTE="Camer999"]its not the cows making uncharteds graphics out like that. its EVERY single reviewer and game journalist that is doing it. it is the general consensus by the reviewers and gaming sites, not just of cows. lulz ,someone get me that list of uncharted 2's awards pleaseCows, stop making uncharted's graphics out to be more than it is8)
mrarmyman48
Its not EVERY, I am sure there are some out there that did not list uncharted, as a lem, I'll have to say KZ2 is more impressive (not gonna put a 360 game because it will make this thread explode, even though I think there are games that look better than UC2/KZ2)
Yes. I admit I was a bit harsh when I said you were wrong, and I apologize for the fanboy comment. Do you have your opinions on the games? Or do you like to use the opinions of so called "professionals"? If that also sounded a bit harsh I apologize in advance.
dream431ca
See thats the best part. I never interjected any of my opinions based on either game at all. I merely corrected and disproved with facts people using incorrect data and incorrect claims. Do I have an opinion on these games? Of course I do. I have my own mind like you and everyone else. But as I've said before there is no point in interjecting opinion and emotion when proof, claims, and facts can do the job. Emotions and opinions are not absolute. Proving an disproving based on factual evidence is.
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
You did not provide facts, you provided the opinions of others. Any gamer's opinion (who isn't biased or drunk), is just as good as the "professional" opinion as you provided. If the gamers have played the games then their opinions are just as valid.
The__Havoc
Saying that GS gave (insert game) X score is a fact. That was the score that was given and it is a fact that the game recieved that score. An opinion is used to form the score of a game. But claiming that (insert game) recieved X score is a fact.
It is a fact that Street Fighter IV recieved a 9.0 from Gamespot. There is no evidence you can find that shows that it recieving the score of 9.0 is not a fact. There is no way to know if what people say is true. There is no way for people to know who has played what game and who hasn't played what game. As I said before I dont' care for the emotional opinions of others. Based on a metric a game recieves a score. It is a fact that the game in question revieved X score. Scores are based on opinions but the fact remains it received X score. That is all.
I agree with: Scores are based on opinions but the fact remains it received X score. However I'm talking in the sense of truth. That someone follows the reviews to the letter, saying that the review is fact meaning it's not an opinion, but I established fact. Yes, it is a fact that those games got those scores however to say that the scores are facts themselves don't make sense, as they are opinions, but I can see where you are going.
[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] The only games you can compare are GT 4 and Forza. You cannot compare games that game out at different times, nor can you compare series, especially when Forza isnt a series yet, because its only had 2 games so far. So, the with the only 2 games from the same time period, Forza wins.bronxxbombersthe current lemming consensus is that GT is an AA franchise, and forza is an AAA franchise, and I proved that wrong. that is the point of the thread. lemmings for some reason think that GT5 will be inferior to forza 3 because GT is an "AA franchise" and forza is an "AAA franchise" (in this imaginary reality we call system wars) I proved that by unanimous decision that the WORLD argeed GT is an AAA franchise and forza is AA. good thing sonys bank balance depends on the REAL WORLD's decision and not this system wars alternate reality Now, I have Metacrtic for you. If we are comparing series, then I have this for you...The average ratings are at the end. Forza 2. Xbox: Forza Motorsport (2005) 92 Microsoft 3. Xbox 360: Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) 90 Forzas average=91 GT 2. Playstation: Gran Turismo (1998) 96 Sony Computer Entertainment America 3. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4 (2005) 89 Sony Computer Entertainment America 4. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (2008) 80 Sony Computer Entertainment 5. Playstation: Gran Turismo 2 (1999) 93 Sony (SCEA) 6. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo HD Concept (2006) 82 Sony Computer Entertainment 7. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4: Prologue (2004) 70 Sony Computer Entertainment 8. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (2001) 95 Sony Computer Entertainment 9. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo Concept 2002: Tokyo-Geneva (2002) 74 Sony Computer Entertainment Europe GTs average=84.87 So, as you can see, in a series V series average, Forza wins. lol so now were averaging the scores of the prologues now? anything to help your arguement eh?
I agree with: Scores are based on opinions but the fact remains it received X score. However I'm talking in the sense of truth. That someone follows the reviews to the letter, saying that the review is fact meaning it's not an opinion, but I established fact. Yes, it is a fact that those games got those scores however to say that the scores are facts themselves don't make sense, as they are opinions, but I can see where you are going.
dream431ca
Okay it goes like this man. Dude claims that Forza has never beaten out GT in ratings. Clearly we can see by looking at GR and GS that his claim is incorrect. Proving that point has nothing to do with my opinion. Its merely corrected a false claim nothing more and nothing less.
[QUOTE="dream431ca"]
Yes. I admit I was a bit harsh when I said you were wrong, and I apologize for the fanboy comment. Do you have your opinions on the games? Or do you like to use the opinions of so called "professionals"? If that also sounded a bit harsh I apologize in advance.
The__Havoc
See thats the best part. I never interjected any of my opinions based on either game at all. I merely corrected and disproved with facts people using incorrect data and incorrect claims. Do I have an opinion on these games? Of course I do. I have my own mind like you and everyone else. But as I've said before there is no point in interjecting opinion and emotion when proof, claims, and facts can do the job. Emotions and opinions are not absolute. Proving an disproving based on factual evidence is.
Your opinion should overide the opinions of others. Lets say GS or someone else reviewed a game really low. Lets say you rented it anyway and you loved it. Does the other opinion (review) have any credibility to you now, knowing that you played the game and liked it? For me, I never judge a game until I play it. I read the reviews to get a certain direction, but sometimes that direction could completely turn around. One example for me is Ratchet and Clank. GS gave it a 7.5, but when I played it, it felt more like a 9 to me.
[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] the current lemming consensus is that GT is an AA franchise, and forza is an AAA franchise, and I proved that wrong. that is the point of the thread. lemmings for some reason think that GT5 will be inferior to forza 3 because GT is an "AA franchise" and forza is an "AAA franchise" (in this imaginary reality we call system wars) I proved that by unanimous decision that the WORLD argeed GT is an AAA franchise and forza is AA. good thing sonys bank balance depends on the REAL WORLD's decision and not this system wars alternate reality mrarmyman48Now, I have Metacrtic for you. If we are comparing series, then I have this for you...The average ratings are at the end. Forza 2. Xbox: Forza Motorsport (2005) 92 Microsoft 3. Xbox 360: Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) 90 Forzas average=91 GT 2. Playstation: Gran Turismo (1998) 96 Sony Computer Entertainment America 3. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4 (2005) 89 Sony Computer Entertainment America 4. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (2008) 80 Sony Computer Entertainment 5. Playstation: Gran Turismo 2 (1999) 93 Sony (SCEA) 6. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo HD Concept (2006) 82 Sony Computer Entertainment 7. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4: Prologue (2004) 70 Sony Computer Entertainment 8. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (2001) 95 Sony Computer Entertainment 9. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo Concept 2002: Tokyo-Geneva (2002) 74 Sony Computer Entertainment Europe GTs average=84.87 So, as you can see, in a series V series average, Forza wins. lol so now were averaging the scores of the prologues now? anything to help your arguement eh? Well, if hte prologues were realeased games, then they are part of the series.
Your opinion should overide the opinions of others. Lets say GS or someone else reviewed a game really low. Lets say you rented it anyway and you loved it. Does the other opinion (review) have any credibility to you now, knowing that you played the game and liked it? For me, I never judge a game until I play it. I read the reviews to get a certain direction, but sometimes that direction could completely turn around. One example for me is Ratchet and Clank. GS gave it a 7.5, but when I played it, it felt more like a 9 to me.
dream431ca
FACT: GS rated the game low
FACT: You still liked the game
FACT: The game was scored low
In essence just because a game is rated low doesn't mean that the game is poor as the score is based on an opinion. But it is a fact that the game recieved a low score.
its not the cows making uncharteds graphics out like that. its EVERY single reviewer and game journalist that is doing it. it is the general consensus by the reviewers and gaming sites, not just of cows. lulz ,someone get me that list of uncharted 2's awards please[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="Camer999"]
Cows, stop making uncharted's graphics out to be more than it is8)
Camer999
Its not EVERY, I am sure there are some out there that did not list uncharted, as a lem, I'll have to say KZ2 is more impressive (not gonna put a 360 game because it will make this thread explode, even though I think there are games that look better than UC2/KZ2)
list of uncharted 2's awards: GAME CRITICS AWARDS: Best of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Game IGN: Best Action Game - PS3 Best Graphics Technology - PS3 Best Multiplayer Experience - PS3 Achievement for Technology Excellence - PS3 PlayStation 3 Game of Show Best Graphics Technology - Overall GAMESPOT: Best Graphics Best PS3 Game 1UP.COM: Best of Show Best of E3 PS3 Game X-PLAY: Game of Show Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMESPY: PS3 Game of Show GAMEPRO: Gold Medal GAMETRAILERS: Best Graphics Best Third-Person Shooter YAHOO! GAMES: Best of E3 2009 CRISPY GAMER: Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMES RADAR: Most Surprisingly Awesome Demo 411 MANIA: Best Action Game / Best PS3 Game GO ONLINE GAMES: Best PS3 Title PLATFORM NATION: Game of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Gameits not the cows making uncharteds graphics out like that. its EVERY single reviewer and game journalist that is doing it. it is the general consensus by the reviewers and gaming sites, not just of cows. lulz ,someone get me that list of uncharted 2's awards pleasemrarmyman48
Its not EVERY, I am sure there are some out there that did not list uncharted, as a lem, I'll have to say KZ2 is more impressive (not gonna put a 360 game because it will make this thread explode, even though I think there are games that look better than UC2/KZ2)
list of uncharted 2's awards: GAME CRITICS AWARDS: Best of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Game IGN: Best Action Game - PS3 Best Graphics Technology - PS3 Best Multiplayer Experience - PS3 Achievement for Technology Excellence - PS3 PlayStation 3 Game of Show Best Graphics Technology - Overall GAMESPOT: Best Graphics Best PS3 Game 1UP.COM: Best of Show Best of E3 PS3 Game X-PLAY: Game of Show Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMESPY: PS3 Game of Show GAMEPRO: Gold Medal GAMETRAILERS: Best Graphics Best Third-Person Shooter YAHOO! GAMES: Best of E3 2009 CRISPY GAMER: Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMES RADAR: Most Surprisingly Awesome Demo 411 MANIA: Best Action Game / Best PS3 Game GO ONLINE GAMES: Best PS3 Title PLATFORM NATION: Game of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Game You know none of that gurantees GOTY.[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="Camer999"]list of uncharted 2's awards: GAME CRITICS AWARDS: Best of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Game IGN: Best Action Game - PS3 Best Graphics Technology - PS3 Best Multiplayer Experience - PS3 Achievement for Technology Excellence - PS3 PlayStation 3 Game of Show Best Graphics Technology - Overall GAMESPOT: Best Graphics Best PS3 Game 1UP.COM: Best of Show Best of E3 PS3 Game X-PLAY: Game of Show Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMESPY: PS3 Game of Show GAMEPRO: Gold Medal GAMETRAILERS: Best Graphics Best Third-Person Shooter YAHOO! GAMES: Best of E3 2009 CRISPY GAMER: Best PlayStation 3 Game GAMES RADAR: Most Surprisingly Awesome Demo 411 MANIA: Best Action Game / Best PS3 Game GO ONLINE GAMES: Best PS3 Title PLATFORM NATION: Game of Show Best Console Game Best Action / Adventure Game You know none of that gurantees GOTY.Its not EVERY, I am sure there are some out there that did not list uncharted, as a lem, I'll have to say KZ2 is more impressive (not gonna put a 360 game because it will make this thread explode, even though I think there are games that look better than UC2/KZ2)
bronxxbombers
Also, there are more review sites than that, but you got all the major ones.
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