Let me be the first PS3 fan to bash Uncharted 2

I loved the original Uncharted. I am enamored with Uncharted 2. They are far from perfect games, but they end up being superior to the sum of their individual parts.

Frankly, that's because many of their individual parts suc k.

This list is a lazy compilation of my personal disappointments with Uncharted 2, the so-called "best game on the PS3." Fanboys unwilling to hear any criticism, reasonable or otherwise, may want to click on the System Wars tab before reading the following :(

-(Spoilers) New characters: While Nathan Drake, Elena and Sully are highly entertaining, their relationships with the game's villains is flimsy at best. Naughty Dog goes out of their way to establish that Drake was betrayed by Flinn, but beyond a few minutes of friendly gibes and then the subsequent "I'm gonna kill you Drake -- no wait, I'm not because I'm a **** villain and won't shoot you when I get the chance, TWICE" Flinn has barely any screen-time. Am I supposed to emote towards him more because he betrayed me? Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he was never on my side, save for a rather dull introduction. That scar-faced guy -- who I'm presuming is the main baddie -- is about as fleshed out as Victor was in Drake's Fortune. Which is to say, not at all.

Chole was better, but since her relationship with Drake is almost entirely pre-Uncharted 2 [and post-Uncharted], I don't really like or dislike her as I do with Elena or Sully. Most of her dialogue is either stabs at humor or the inevitable "I'm sorry, Drake, but I'm going to betray you. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN."

Oh, and, uh, Jeff. How's it going, pal? I'm sure you'd be glad that Elena completely forgot about you 10 minutes after you died and Flinn let Drake + pals escape. You were a cool guy, for what it's worth. Not.

In conclusion, I never really 'felt' for any of the new characters, which, in my opinion, are very underdeveloped.

-Stupid, stupid AI: Really, this just killed the stealth sections for me. They have poor sight, and even when they see Drake they're indecisive about whether or not they should shoot me now or in a few seconds. They don't really react to you realistically (if you walk up to them, they usually keep shooting instead of engaging you in fist-to-fist combat). Maybe this is because I played the game on Normal, but I doubt it.

-Opposing variety: Speaking of enemies, there are only a few recycled throughout the game. That redhead grunt with really short hair is starting to get annoying, and if I see another variation of the Yeti I'm going to break a chair. Or a light. Would it have been too hard to design a few more guys Naughty Dog, or were you still trying to fix the AI?

-Platforming, puzzling: As they are entirely separate from the gunplay, I didn't really expect them to present any sort of challenge, but I still felt they were underwhelming. The puzzles did not require thinking, but platforming around huge yet ultimately restrictive environments... Which would be more enjoyable if the platforming was more than an intense match of wrestling with the strange logic of Naughty Dog designers [finding out where to go]. Aside from that the platforming controls can occassionally be a bit imprecise and you can only grab onto certain parts of giant sculptures (how the hell am I supposed to know to grab onto the eye and not the mouth?), discovering where to jump next can be a real pain. I don't know if many other people had this irksome issue, but I actually got lost once. In a linear game. Whether this is a fault of mine or the developers, I'll never know.

-The camera gets out of whack sometimes, particularly during platforming and special "run-away" sequences. Whether those sequences are fun or annoying is contestable, but I thought they were as unnecessary as Jeff. Sorry, buddy.

What's this? You disagreed with my entire list and think I'm a lemming that only owns a PS3? Bah, go play Uncharted 2. It's a good game ;)

The game certainly has flaws. Doesnt stop it from being a great game and its no reason to be disappointed . But whatever.

You're not a PS3 fan.:|

Still, thanks for noting your opinion.;)

Now you just need to get a reputable site, and get published, so you can take down legendary Uncharted 2's score run! 8)

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Also, I think every game I've ever played can be Bashed, when I think of it. What game can't be bashed? No game is safe really...

You're not a PS3 fan.:|

Still, thanks for noting your opinion.;)

Now you just need to get a reputable site, and get published, so you can take down legendary Uncharted 2's score run! 8)

SolidTy

I'm a PS3 fan and i could bash that game/series all day.

I'm a PS3 fan and i could bash that game/series all day.

Stats_

I could do that with any game as well.:P So what?

Hmm you're not very good at bashing. You need to say something along the lines of:

"Unwanted 2 iz teh suxxors!" and leave the thread at that.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

I'm a PS3 fan and i could bash that game/series all day.

RadecSupreme

I could do that with any game as well.:P So what?

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

I'm a PS3 fan and i could bash that game/series all day.

RadecSupreme

I could do that with any game as well.:P So what?

That's the point.

(Although i really dislike Uncharted)

I want my Lara back.

im sorry,

but did you expect a GAME to be 100% perfect?

LIFE isnt perfect as it is, and you expect a game to be? :l

it was HIGHLY ENJOYABLE.

it did what it set out to do; to give players a true next generation gaming experience.

and it delivered ;)

im sorry,

but did you expect a GAME to be 100% perfect?

LIFE isnt perfect as it is, and you expect a game to be? :l

it was HIGHLY ENJOYABLE.

it did what it set out to do; to give players a true next generation gaming experience.

and it delivered ;)

muffintheduffin

ive seen many cows giving this game a 100% perfect score. even that poll on here not long ago said so.

Its definitely overrated to what cows wanted this game score to be. or even the score it was given.

then theres cows that cried when it received a 9.3 like it was a bad score. WHAT A JOKE LOL

[QUOTE="muffintheduffin"]

im sorry,

but did you expect a GAME to be 100% perfect?

LIFE isnt perfect as it is, and you expect a game to be? :l

it was HIGHLY ENJOYABLE.

it did what it set out to do; to give players a true next generation gaming experience.

and it delivered ;)

WAIW

love, i was agreeing with the OP but i was also pointing out that he cant expect a game to be perfect.

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="muffintheduffin"]

im sorry,

but did you expect a GAME to be 100% perfect?

LIFE isnt perfect as it is, and you expect a game to be? :l

it was HIGHLY ENJOYABLE.

it did what it set out to do; to give players a true next generation gaming experience.

and it delivered ;)

muffintheduffin

love, i was agreeing with the OP but i was also pointing out that he cant expect a game to be perfect.

Hmm you're not very good at bashing. You need to say something along the lines of:

"Unwanted 2 iz teh suxxors!" and leave the thread at that.

Blue-Sky

Yeah pretty much, many to lazy read that wall of text.

Uncharted 2 is better than eating piss in the snow.Totalgym9000

i agree with this.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Hmm you're not very good at bashing. You need to say something along the lines of:

"Unwanted 2 iz teh suxxors!" and leave the thread at that.

aroxx_ab

Yeah pretty much, many to lazy read that wall of text.

You're not a PS3 fan.:|

Still, thanks for noting your opinion.;)

Now you just need to get a reputable site, and get published, so you can take down legendary Uncharted 2's score run! 8)

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Also, I think every game I've ever played can be Bashed, when I think of it. What game can't be bashed? No game is safe really...

SolidTy

:roll: What makes him not a PS3 fan? Because his opinion differs from yours?

Hell he even has a KZ2 avatar and a PS3 sig at Level 7. What more do you want for him to make shallow statements like "teh PS3 is teh best console 2 ever exist!!111" before you believe him?

eh... some people can't be haappy...

the game was underwhelming for me as well. it just wasn't as satisfying as uncharted 1 or had anywhere near as much charm.

nothing to see here folks... just bad taste in games^

the game was underwhelming for me as well. it just wasn't as satisfying as uncharted 1 or had anywhere near as much charm.

Pdiddy105

Really? I thought the story was so much better and it had a lot more charm. In fact, I think it did better in every form and way.

I can understand why the stealth is the way it is in Uncharted 2. Having really in-depth Splinter Cell-stealth would not have fit. It's shallow, but hey, when you get spotted, it's fun.

nothing to see here folks... just bad taste in games^

Revolution316

Its actually called an opinion.

Idk i just didn't get the same experience with this one. It felt really forced, especially the jokes. I remember the first one actually made me laugh, this one i dont even think I chuckled, I just really didn't like the story or character interaction in this one.

Nice article TC.

The only thing that I found wrong with it is THE WHOLE ARTICLE ITSELF!!!!!

I can understand why the stealth is the way it is in Uncharted 2. Having really in-depth Splinter Cell-stealth would not have fit. It's shallow, but hey, when you get spotted, it's fun.

Mordred19

Yeah I actually liked that it was shallow though, It reminded me of goldeneye. Where you would start the level, you knew you would get spotted eventually, and you wanted to because its fun to just go guns blazing, but It was also fun to see how long you could last before all the alarms went off

I guess those are fair complaints. As far as the characters go, Naughty Dog has stated that there is a lot about Drake (and the other characters) that we don't know yet. Besides, any good story won't spell out every detail for you either, because if it did it wouldn't feel natural. When it comes to variety, I thought there were enough different enemies. The reason it seems repetitive is just that the differences between each enemy type is subtle. They probably could have made them more unique but it might have made the game feel even more unrealistic. The platforming elements are pretty simple, but I think ND made it that way so that the game would be accessible to players of all skill levels. That and they were probably hoping you were busy enjoying the graphics and in game dialogue while exploring, to create a greater experience as a whole.

Who's that?[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

nothing to see here folks... just bad taste in games^

swamplord666

Nice article TC.

The only thing that I found wrong with it is THE WHOLE ARTICLE ITSELF!!!!!

gamerlifegrace

I guess those are fair complaints. As far as the characters go, Naughty Dog has stated that there is a lot about Drake (and the other characters) that we don't know yet. Besides, any good story won't spell out every detail for you either, because if it did it wouldn't feel natural. When it comes to variety, I thought there were enough different enemies. The reason it seems repetitive is just that the differences between each enemy type is subtle. They probably could have made them more unique but it might have made the game feel even more unrealistic. The platforming elements are pretty simple, but I think ND made it that way so that the game would be accessible to players of all skill levels. That and they were probably hoping you were busy enjoying the graphics and in game dialogue while exploring, to create a greater experience as a whole.

PatchMaster

Well, the narrative complaints are pretty contestable, and yes, the game is gorgeous, so gorgeous I can almost have fun just looking at Drake's hair moving in the wind. At least somebody read it :)

Nice wall of text, all games have flaws I already found a few small glitches in the game.

I only have 1 problem with the game.... and that's that it doesn't make any sense....

you often go into ancient ruins during the game right.... figure out a (really easy) puzzle, in order to get somewhere else..... well did anyone else wonder why, in 2 seperate parts of the game, you had to go through an ancient ruin to progress only for it to open a door to somewhere that is outside.

I was like.... HUH? WHA? why didn't they just fly there, or walk over the ground, take a snowmobile or something..... why was it so imperitive that they find this 1 entrance..... it just didn't make any sense.... so that kinda took me outta the game for a bit.....

still that aside, best game I've played all year.

People these days expect way to much from video games.Their is no need to crtique every tiny part of the game and bash every minor error. Nothing is perfect and people seem to expect these games to be the second coming only to be dissapointed when they realize they expected way to much.You should just be enjoying the game and having fun playing it for waht it is and not for what you wanted it to be.

Who said it was perfect? And I thought the best game on PS3 was MGS4.

I only have 1 problem with the game.... and that's that it doesn't make any sense....

you often go into ancient ruins during the game right.... figure out a (really easy) puzzle, in order to get somewhere else..... well did anyone else wonder why, in 2 seperate parts of the game, you had to go through an ancient ruin to progress only for it to open a door to somewhere that is outside.

I was like.... HUH? WHA? why didn't they just fly there, or walk over the ground, take a snowmobile or something..... why was it so imperitive that they find this 1 entrance..... it just didn't make any sense.... so that kinda took me outta the game for a bit.....

still that aside, best game I've played all year.

whatisazerg

:lol: That's true. When they got to Shambala I was like "uh, it's not even hidden... buy a damn helicopter!"

So that's why it got a 9.5, I agree with the TC.

I loved the original Uncharted. I am enamored with Uncharted 2. They are far from perfect games, but they end up being superior to the sum of their individual parts.

Frankly, that's because many of their individual parts suc k.

This list is a lazy compilation of my personal disappointments with Uncharted 2, the so-called "best game on the PS3." Fanboys unwilling to hear any criticism, reasonable or otherwise, may want to click on the System Wars tab before reading the following :(

-(Spoilers) New characters: While Nathan Drake, Elena and Sully are highly entertaining, their relationships with the game's villains is flimsy at best. Naughty Dog goes out of their way to establish that Drake was betrayed by Flinn, but beyond a few minutes of friendly gibes and then the subsequent "I'm gonna kill you Drake -- no wait, I'm not because I'm a **** villain and won't shoot you when I get the chance, TWICE" Flinn has barely any screen-time. Am I supposed to emote towards him more because he betrayed me? Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he was never on my side, save for a rather dull introduction. That scar-faced guy -- who I'm presuming is the main baddie -- is about as fleshed out as Victor was in Drake's Fortune. Which is to say, not at all.

Chole was better, but since her relationship with Drake is almost entirely pre-Uncharted 2 [and post-Uncharted], I don't really like or dislike her as I do with Elena or Sully. Most of her dialogue is either stabs at humor or the inevitable "I'm sorry, Drake, but I'm going to betray you. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN."

Oh, and, uh, Jeff. How's it going, pal? I'm sure you'd be glad that Elena completely forgot about you 10 minutes after you died and Flinn let Drake + pals escape. You were a cool guy, for what it's worth. Not.

In conclusion, I never really 'felt' for any of the new characters, which, in my opinion, are very underdeveloped.

-Stupid, stupid AI: Really, this just killed the stealth sections for me. They have poor sight, and even when they see Drake they're indecisive about whether or not they should shoot me now or in a few seconds. They don't really react to you realistically (if you walk up to them, they usually keep shooting instead of engaging you in fist-to-fist combat). Maybe this is because I played the game on Normal, but I doubt it.

-Opposing variety: Speaking of enemies, there are only a few recycled throughout the game. That redhead grunt with really short hair is starting to get annoying, and if I see another variation of the Yeti I'm going to break a chair. Or a light. Would it have been too hard to design a few more guys Naughty Dog, or were you still trying to fix the AI?

-Platforming, puzzling: As they are entirely separate from the gunplay, I didn't really expect them to present any sort of challenge, but I still felt they were underwhelming. The puzzles did not require thinking, but platforming around huge yet ultimately restrictive environments... Which would be more enjoyable if the platforming was more than an intense match of wrestling with the strange logic of Naughty Dog designers [finding out where to go]. Aside from that the platforming controls can occassionally be a bit imprecise and you can only grab onto certain parts of giant sculptures (how the hell am I supposed to know to grab onto the eye and not the mouth?), discovering where to jump next can be a real pain. I don't know if many other people had this irksome issue, but I actually got lost once. In a linear game. Whether this is a fault of mine or the developers, I'll never know.

-The camera gets out of whack sometimes, particularly during platforming and special "run-away" sequences. Whether those sequences are fun or annoying is contestable, but I thought they were as unnecessary as Jeff. Sorry, buddy.

What's this? You disagreed with my entire list and think I'm a lemming that only owns a PS3? Bah, go play Uncharted 2. It's a good game ;)

WAIW

I applaud you for putting together a good argument. Of course Uncharted 2 has its flaws.

I agree particularly on the AI in stealth missions. Complete morons.

As for the story, I enjoyed it. Only think I can ask for was more Sully.

Puzzles were fine, but they could have been more challenging-- BUT, I feel that making them too difficult could have resulted in destroying the pacing of the story.

AI was bad for stealth, but they were good overall-- they did the typical shooting, hiding, throwing grenades, and occassionaly flanking. Everything I did too.

They do engage you during melee though.

Dont particularly care for enemy variety personally, more would have been nice, but whatever.

I found platforming to be absolutely fine too-- I knew were to jump, etc, and though there were areas I didnt know where to jump next, I felt pretty stupid after I did.

As for the camera, I had absolutely no problem with it, whatsoever. In fact, I think they did a great job using it at cinematic moments. Seeing the Yeti as I was climbing that ladder in the ice caves sent a chill down my back. Get it, chill!? Cuz its an ICE cave!

Anyways, good list, but the game is still my GOTY.

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

I only have 1 problem with the game.... and that's that it doesn't make any sense....

you often go into ancient ruins during the game right.... figure out a (really easy) puzzle, in order to get somewhere else..... well did anyone else wonder why, in 2 seperate parts of the game, you had to go through an ancient ruin to progress only for it to open a door to somewhere that is outside.

I was like.... HUH? WHA? why didn't they just fly there, or walk over the ground, take a snowmobile or something..... why was it so imperitive that they find this 1 entrance..... it just didn't make any sense.... so that kinda took me outta the game for a bit.....

still that aside, best game I've played all year.

PatchMaster

:lol: That's true. When they got to Shambala I was like "uh, it's not even hidden... buy a damn helicopter!"

How would they buy a helicopter? And I dont think they knew the entrance to Shambhala before they got into too much trouble/had their hands busy with the baddies.

Also, I dont know about getting past those mountains-- anyways, this is like the bit with Lord of the Rings where they could have just taken the Eagle.

But like any good action movie, you arent supposed to use logic too much.

I found it hilarious how I get bullets pumped into my body, and then Flint shoots me once in the gut and I bleed like a pig at a cultic sacrifice

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

I loved the original Uncharted. I am enamored with Uncharted 2. They are far from perfect games, but they end up being superior to the sum of their individual parts.

Frankly, that's because many of their individual parts suc k.

This list is a lazy compilation of my personal disappointments with Uncharted 2, the so-called "best game on the PS3." Fanboys unwilling to hear any criticism, reasonable or otherwise, may want to click on the System Wars tab before reading the following :(

-(Spoilers) New characters: While Nathan Drake, Elena and Sully are highly entertaining, their relationships with the game's villains is flimsy at best. Naughty Dog goes out of their way to establish that Drake was betrayed by Flinn, but beyond a few minutes of friendly gibes and then the subsequent "I'm gonna kill you Drake -- no wait, I'm not because I'm a **** villain and won't shoot you when I get the chance, TWICE" Flinn has barely any screen-time. Am I supposed to emote towards him more because he betrayed me? Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he was never on my side, save for a rather dull introduction. That scar-faced guy -- who I'm presuming is the main baddie -- is about as fleshed out as Victor was in Drake's Fortune. Which is to say, not at all.

Chole was better, but since her relationship with Drake is almost entirely pre-Uncharted 2 [and post-Uncharted], I don't really like or dislike her as I do with Elena or Sully. Most of her dialogue is either stabs at humor or the inevitable "I'm sorry, Drake, but I'm going to betray you. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN."

Oh, and, uh, Jeff. How's it going, pal? I'm sure you'd be glad that Elena completely forgot about you 10 minutes after you died and Flinn let Drake + pals escape. You were a cool guy, for what it's worth. Not.

In conclusion, I never really 'felt' for any of the new characters, which, in my opinion, are very underdeveloped.

-Stupid, stupid AI: Really, this just killed the stealth sections for me. They have poor sight, and even when they see Drake they're indecisive about whether or not they should shoot me now or in a few seconds. They don't really react to you realistically (if you walk up to them, they usually keep shooting instead of engaging you in fist-to-fist combat). Maybe this is because I played the game on Normal, but I doubt it.

-Opposing variety: Speaking of enemies, there are only a few recycled throughout the game. That redhead grunt with really short hair is starting to get annoying, and if I see another variation of the Yeti I'm going to break a chair. Or a light. Would it have been too hard to design a few more guys Naughty Dog, or were you still trying to fix the AI?

-Platforming, puzzling: As they are entirely separate from the gunplay, I didn't really expect them to present any sort of challenge, but I still felt they were underwhelming. The puzzles did not require thinking, but platforming around huge yet ultimately restrictive environments... Which would be more enjoyable if the platforming was more than an intense match of wrestling with the strange logic of Naughty Dog designers [finding out where to go]. Aside from that the platforming controls can occassionally be a bit imprecise and you can only grab onto certain parts of giant sculptures (how the hell am I supposed to know to grab onto the eye and not the mouth?), discovering where to jump next can be a real pain. I don't know if many other people had this irksome issue, but I actually got lost once. In a linear game. Whether this is a fault of mine or the developers, I'll never know.

-The camera gets out of whack sometimes, particularly during platforming and special "run-away" sequences. Whether those sequences are fun or annoying is contestable, but I thought they were as unnecessary as Jeff. Sorry, buddy.

What's this? You disagreed with my entire list and think I'm a lemming that only owns a PS3? Bah, go play Uncharted 2. It's a good game ;)

Alpha-Male22

I applaud you for putting together a good argument. Of course Uncharted 2 has its flaws.

I agree particularly on the AI in stealth missions. Complete morons.

As for the story, I enjoyed it. Only think I can ask for was more Sully.

Puzzles were fine, but they could have been more challenging-- BUT, I feel that making them too difficult could have resulted in destroying the pacing of the story.

AI was bad for stealth, but they were good overall-- they did the typical shooting, hiding, throwing grenades, and occassionaly flanking. Everything I did too.

They do engage you during melee though.

Dont particularly care for enemy variety personally, more would have been nice, but whatever.

I found platforming to be absolutely fine too-- I knew were to jump, etc, and though there were areas I didnt know where to jump next, I felt pretty stupid after I did.

As for the camera, I had absolutely no problem with it, whatsoever. In fact, I think they did a great job using it at cinematic moments. Seeing the Yeti as I was climbing that ladder in the ice caves sent a chill down my back. Get it, chill!? Cuz its an ICE cave!

Anyways, good list, but the game is still my GOTY.

I really would have loved to see Sully on screen more often as well. He's my favorite character in the series... Hilarious.

I'm not very good at the game, but I'll play through it on hard sometime, just because more intelligent AI sounds very appealing.

During cinematic moments, I agree that the camera usage was absolutely masterful. All of those cinematic action cutscenes really shined, even if they were ridiculous (Nathan Drake is about as physically fit as Superman).

Sorry but i was first who bash the U2.But i agree with you.But i will bash again.....

The U2 is a very good game with very good graphics on the PS3 but nothing new and special. Let see that...:

1)Resident Evil 5 VS U2.....what better have the U2 from RE5 in graphics?Resident Evil graphics are a lot better from U2.

2)Splinter Cell Double Agent VS U2....the graphics from the first stage under the water are just amazing and look a lot better from U2.

3)Tomb Raider Underworld VS U2.....The jungle stages are awesome and the water effects just amazing.

4)Dead Space VS U2.....The graphics in the game is also awesome they look also good like the U2.

5)Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts VS U2....the graphics in the game are just amazing.The graphics look also amazing like U2 and the water effect look better.

I have see many times before good graphics like U2 from old games.Games like Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts,Splinter Cell Double Agent ,Dead Space,Resident Evil 5,Dark Sector and Tomb Raider Underworld,those games are old games but again the graphics are very close to U2 graphics and some like RE5 have a better graphics and they look more real.

fyi, normal is like a easy mode and hard is normal,crushing would be the hard mode.

fyi, normal is like a easy mode and hard is normal.killzowned24

This is true too. Hard mode was challenging, but nothing too difficult and Crushing is pretty... crushing.

The characters in the story, in my opinion, weren't as well developed as the first. But I thought it was overall a much better experience than the first, which I loved to death.

LOL Since you said this all the cows are gonna say that your a fakeboy but good to see a ps3 fan has some brains.Funconsole