UC4 characters and animations, while not looking as good during gameplay as in cut-scenes, are still among the best along with RotTR. Ryse has nice characters too.
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
This, Its so sad to watch these guys argue over a non issue,so many other more important concerns for a game.
This pointless argument/claim happens when you have a fanboy bias for a certain platform and literally have nothing else to hold over anyone, and even then its debatable if its true and borders into subjective opinion :P
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
This, Its so sad to watch these guys argue over a non issue,so many other more important concerns for a game.
This pointless argument/claim happens when you have a fanboy bias for a certain platform and literally have nothing else to hold over anyone :P
You both are simply foolish, every polygon added to the model and every pixel added to specularity, normal map, diffuse map, alpha channel makes gameplay SOOOOOOOOO much better. Everyone knows this. :P
Keep in mind that Mankind Divided is an open world RPG. Graphics generally take a hit in that genre because of all the other things going on requiring large amounts of time and resources from the development team. Take a look at character models from Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. Highly praised games with doll-like characters. Uncharted's levels are basically very pretty and well decorated hallways with less characters to model, less world to build, and less story to tell. Don't get me wrong, Uncharted 4 looks amazing, Mankind Divided is just not the game to compare it too.
You both are simply foolish, every polygon added to the model and every pixel added to specularity, normal map, diffuse map, alpha channel makes gameplay SOOOOOOOOO much better. Everyone knows this. :P
Keep in mind that Mankind Divided is an open world RPG. Graphics generally take a hit in that genre because of all the other things going on requiring large amounts of time and resources from the development team. Take a look at character models from Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. Highly praised games with doll-like characters. Uncharted's levels are basically very pretty and well decorated hallways with less characters to model, less world to build, and less story to tell. Don't get me wrong, Uncharted 4 looks amazing, Mankind Divided is just not the game to compare it too.
I get your point but its a bit of a push calling Mankind Divided "open world", they have large hub areas yes but rarely are they open spaced or bigger than 500 metres across,
Spent 11 hours playing it yesterday and i have yet to see anything i could call open world.
Sorry, I guess "open world" is the wrong term. The world is a lot bigger with more people, places, things things in it. Studios of around the same number of people were given a similar amount of time and budget to create both games, give or take. In that time, for Uncharted they had to make a dozen or so characters, whereas MD has hundreds of NPCs that needed to be modeled.
This is not meant as a knock against either studio, just different genres prioritize different things.
They never fail to astonish me. I was playing TLoU tonight, and the details they pay attention to is incredible. When Joel first gets his gun (in the prologue to protect Sarah), he actually removes bullets from the box individually and puts them in the chamber. You don't even NEED this much detail, nobody would care or even notice if they weren't looking, but they do it anyway. It's like pride of craftsmanship.
Naughty Dog really does make everyone else look like amateurs. Well, mostly everybody. I find all aspects of their presentation to be easily some of the best work out there, if not the best.
Too bad they fail most of the time in the gameplay department.
I'd be more willing to agree for the Uncharted series, but TLoU had excellent gameplay that I've gone back many times, skipping the cinematics, to be able to play.
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
This, Its so sad to watch these guys argue over a non issue,so many other more important concerns for a game.
This pointless argument/claim happens when you have a fanboy bias for a certain platform and literally have nothing else to hold over anyone :P
You both are simply foolish, every polygon added to the model and every pixel added to specularity, normal map, diffuse map, alpha channel makes gameplay SOOOOOOOOO much better. Everyone knows this. :P
Lol, while it's obvious Pedro is trolling, I'm glad gamers like you guys still exist. Gameplay is more important than bragging about graphics, i wish cows would get that through their heads.
@dynamitecop said:
@dynamitecop said:
I already defunct all of this with gpuking, Lara Croft's in game model is unquestionably better than Nathan Drake's.
I'm on my phone so I can't post the videos, but if someone remembers them please post them, or I will when I get home.
Dude, would you mind linking me the the original thread that started this debate,.. where this video was originally posted? I would love to have a good laugh while Im at work tomorrow. lol
They never fail to astonish me. I was playing TLoU tonight, and the details they pay attention to is incredible. When Joel first gets his gun (in the prologue to protect Sarah), he actually removes bullets from the box individually and puts them in the chamber. You don't even NEED this much detail, nobody would care or even notice if they weren't looking, but they do it anyway. It's like pride of craftsmanship.
Naughty Dog really does make everyone else look like amateurs. Well, mostly everybody. I find all aspects of their presentation to be easily some of the best work out there, if not the best.
Too bad they fail most of the time in the gameplay department.
I'd be more willing to agree for the Uncharted series, but TLoU had excellent gameplay that I've gone back many times, skipping the cinematics, to be able to play.
TLoU had decent gameplay. It still had issues with stealth and buggy enemies, but it was certainly a lot better than Uncharted.
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
This, Its so sad to watch these guys argue over a non issue,so many other more important concerns for a game.
This pointless argument/claim happens when you have a fanboy bias for a certain platform and literally have nothing else to hold over anyone :P
You both are simply foolish, every polygon added to the model and every pixel added to specularity, normal map, diffuse map, alpha channel makes gameplay SOOOOOOOOO much better. Everyone knows this. :P
Lol, while it's obvious Pedro is trolling, I'm glad gamers like you guys still exist. Gameplay is more important than bragging about graphics, i wish cows would get that through their heads.
@dynamitecop said:
@dynamitecop said:
I already defunct all of this with gpuking, Lara Croft's in game model is unquestionably better than Nathan Drake's.
I'm on my phone so I can't post the videos, but if someone remembers them please post them, or I will when I get home.
Dude, would you mind linking me the the original thread that started this debate,.. where this video was originally posted? I would love to have a good laugh while Im at work tomorrow. lol
@dynamitecop: Err yes it does... and comparisons make it painfully obvious.
I've already done the comparisons, I've already made the videos, put in some leg work.
Lara Croft's in game model is better than Nathan Drake's by a fairly decent margin, as I said to gpuking before he got banned for shitposting, prove me wrong, post the best of Nathan Drake you can muster, IN GAME.
Negate me as wrong or this is simply a standing fact of reality, I don't want to see your stupid text anymore, post evidence to substantiate what you're saying or take a hike.
@dynamitecop: did you make that video? What rig are you running for ROTTR? I obviously don't have an fps counter via YouTube, but it looked like it was running in the high 10s fps, maybe low 20's?
Seeing Deus Ex Mankind Divded bringing rigs to its knees despite having mannequins trying to pass off as characters is laughable. The animations are stiff, facial expressions and animations are worse than Uncharted 3 and characters just don't convey the sense of realism and polish the ones in Uncharted 4 do. For all its shortcomings, nothing comes close to Uncharted 4 when it comes to producing and animating characters to make them look and feel life-like.
No amounts of processing power can replace talent so cut the bullshit with your SLI 1080 rig. Won't make animations better and won't increase polygon count.
So because UC4 has great facial animation, and Mankind Divided does not, this is an argument for the PS4? I dont get it.
@dynamitecop: you have no video evidence. You don't even have a high quality video of UC4 to compare it to. Your just filming ROTR and mouth breathing laughable comments. "Not even half as good" please GTFO!
Given that the games are so shallow that they literally have 2 years to perfect the what 5 characters that appear throughout the game (main characters anyway) is anyone surprised?
Character models best? fantastic.... what a victory.... you must be so proud. oh wait, its not even accurate, given there are games with similar quality. or are you just refering to cutscenes? Sony ... Cut scene Domination only.
Too bad Uncharted 4 is the most technically impressive game on console. Not only does it look great it raises the bar in game aswell. The attention to detail is unmatched. Also the gunfights are the most intense I played in a video game, something you haters wouldn't appreciate.
The only difference is visual effects. The character models themselves are exactly the same throughout. Cutscenes just add polish. Your phony comparison wasn't even sensible. One Drake is wet, one Drake is dry. One Drake is from faraway, the other is in close up. The video itself is low res and the ps4 has weak draw distance.
Both Drake are wet. So much so even DF called out Naughty Duds on this bullshit PR teaser. Keep up the DC.
@MBirdy88: Curious but have you played it? It's an outstanding TPS. The shooting and platforming are great, the level design is outstanding and the pacing is pretty much perfect. If you hate these types of games then UC4 won't change your opinion but saying it's an awful dull game just shows you have no taste for the genre.
@FreedomFreeLife: Why do you go out of your way to post such shitty pics. Your first pic of Drake is from the MP. Your second comparison is about 5x further away. I lol at anyone who thinks C3 has better characater model's.
All that tech and still, nothing beats using as much of the real thing as possible.
L.A. Noire tech should be brought back from the grave and improved. Shits all over UC4 facial animation.
this is like the biggest mystery ever. why no one uses this tech? Its simply incredible. sure, its not needed for every game but imagine having this in a game with a lot of dialogue. Imagine TW3 with this tech... omfg
@dynamitecop: you have no video evidence. You don't even have a high quality video of UC4 to compare it to. Your just filming ROTR and mouth breathing laughable comments. "Not even half as good" please GTFO!
I have multiple videos of Uncharted 4 specifically relating to exactly this topic, but me 'not having' videos of it is the point if you actually read anything said or listened to the audio in the video. You're the one who is arguing with me, I'm providing my evidence for Lara Croft and all you've provided is a bunch of worthless text with nothing to back it up, big fucking surprise there, people arguing with me and bringing forward **** all for proof.
I love the mouth breathing comment by the way, as if that's some kind of actual insult to my intelligence, especially with the laws of diminishing returns where something can be of substantially higher quality yet it be hardly noticeable.
@pdogg93 said:
@dynamitecop: did you make that video? What rig are you running for ROTTR? I obviously don't have an fps counter via YouTube, but it looked like it was running in the high 10s fps, maybe low 20's?
I'm recording the game at 2560x1440 with the maximum possible settings enabled with the best possible capture quality for the video, it's not going to run smooth trying to record something like that.
All that tech and still, nothing beats using as much of the real thing as possible.
L.A. Noire tech should be brought back from the grave and improved. Shits all over UC4 facial animation.
this is like the biggest mystery ever. why no one uses this tech? Its simply incredible. sure, its not needed for every game but imagine having this in a game with a lot of dialogue. Imagine TW3 with this tech... omfg
Yeah and you know how much would it cost for a game a size of Witcher 3? I guess, that's the reason.
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