Lets Face it , $400 PS3 = Death of Xbox 360

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]ARe they really making a 40 gig PS3 for 400$?blackhorsemen

Yep , save some $ for it

Damn my next paycheck is gonna be over 400$. i just might get one. Probably not but i never no.

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"][QUOTE="sirk1264"]

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"]Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .sirk1264

Yes ps3 is getting a price cut says insider. I think i'll wait till sony says something. And whats stopping microsoft from dropping the price of the 360 again. If they do that then your back to square one for sony since microsoft has a larger library of games and is still cheaper than the ps3. Heck the 360 would still be cheaper than the ps3 even after sony's price drop.

M$ cant afford to do another price cut, they are already losing billions , plus the PS3 is actually a quality console

Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360.

While each PS3 costs 900$ to make...Sold at 600$ that's a 300$ loss per PS3 for Sony. How does that leave them?

Also I was reading a comment made here about the price cut not affecting the sales of the PS3. Well if you go to high school and live in a neighborhood full of freshmen/middle schoolers then you'd know that 400 bucks = Xmas gift for sure. So yea you won't see much of sales increase this month (or next), but by November that is when the turbines start to spin for Sony (you can quote me that SOny will make atleast 2 million consoles by March 08 if the price cut is kept the same).

*Oh also it's rumored to release with a BD version of Spider Man 3 (the movie).

[Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. sirk1264

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="blackhorsemen"][QUOTE="sirk1264"]

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"]Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .DeadMan1290

Yes ps3 is getting a price cut says insider. I think i'll wait till sony says something. And whats stopping microsoft from dropping the price of the 360 again. If they do that then your back to square one for sony since microsoft has a larger library of games and is still cheaper than the ps3. Heck the 360 would still be cheaper than the ps3 even after sony's price drop.

M$ cant afford to do another price cut, they are already losing billions , plus the PS3 is actually a quality console

Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360.

While each PS3 costs 900$ to make...Sold at 600$ that's a 300$ loss per PS3 for Sony. How does that leave them?

Not very much because there software attach rate is pathetic at best! unlike the 360 which is killing everyone including the Wii in the software attach rate. This is where the real money is the Consoles are loss leaders. they lost money on the console and make it up with software. Sony must be hurting bad.

While each PS3 costs 900$ to make...Sold at 600$ that's a 300$ loss per PS3 for Sony. How does that leave them?

Not very much because there software attach rate is pathetic at best! unlike the 360 which is killing everyone including the Wii in the software attach rate. This is where the real money is the Consoles are loss leaders. they lost money on the console and make it up with software. Sony must be hurting bad.

My point proven.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. nicenator

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

MS is earning money from OS, Xbox Live and games they publish:shock:...Sony makes money from PS2 only?:roll:Wow.

All different divisions. Can you imagine how much Sony is making through Blu-Ray, TVs, HiFis, Phones, etc?Not all of it goes to the games division, because the company has to be run as a whole.

All different divisions. Can you imagine how much Sony is making through Blu-Ray, TVs, HiFis, Phones, etc?Not all of it goes to the games division, because the company has to be run as a whole.

nicenator

I agree. I've been saying here that MS wins money from everything else, Sony does too. BUT, MS IS making profit from 360, Xbox Live AND the games. Sony just makes money from PS2 and PS2 games. They loose to much money on PS3s AND no PSN(Charging). PS2 won't last forever and Sonymust show it's rivals they mean businessin a BIG way.

Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .blackhorsemen

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"]Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .blackhorsemen

Yes ps3 is getting a price cut says insider. I think i'll wait till sony says something. And whats stopping microsoft from dropping the price of the 360 again. If they do that then your back to square one for sony since microsoft has a larger library of games and is still cheaper than the ps3. Heck the 360 would still be cheaper than the ps3 even after sony's price drop.

M$ cant afford to do another price cut, they are already losing billions , plus the PS3 is actually a quality console

Isn't Sony selling of part of their insurance division to funnel to their games division?

When has MS ever had to do that?

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. nicenator

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

Not true Microsoft pulled a profit the quarter that halo2 came out but so far they have lost like 6 billion getting their gaming division going

It's funny how Xbox haters use "M$" and "can't afford" in the same sentence.

That's an oxymoron :lol:

TC, if Sony drops to $400, what makes MS drop the core to $199 or even lower, along with the premium and elite? In a price war, MS is in a considerably better position: Cheaper to manufacture, and closer to the sub 200 price that really makes sales explode...

M$ cant afford to do another price cut, they are already losing billions , plus the PS3 is actually a quality console

blackhorsemen

Um... currently, Sony is losing more on the PS3 than MS on the 360... including every aspect of the systems (accessories, games, etc). Just for perspective, the PS division is losing money at a similar rate than the original xbox... and the PS division is taking the PS2 and PSP (both profitable, as far as I know) into account.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. nicenator

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

MS already charged that 1.15 billion to their last fiscal year. they never have to worry about it again.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

nicenator

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

[QUOTE="nicenator"]

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. Yellow_Rose

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

MS already charged that 1.15 billion to their last fiscal year. they never have to worry about it again.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

nicenator

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

600$ million? Really?? I didn't know:P

omg it wont make a difference i think the 360 will still crush the ps3

PS3 gets a price cut . 360 gets a price cut. Back where we started.turgore

Here's the difference. Sony has built value in the hardware. They've stuck to their price, for the most part, through all of the complaining. They've had fantastic reliability. 360, oin the other hand, has not done so well. Terrible reliability and price cut after price cut, the 360's value is at a low point. Why would MS be stupid enough to devalue it futher?

Its like cars. There's cars like Honda, Toyota, and VW that rarely, if ever, give any incentives to buy. Their incentive is the quality of the product delivered. but makers like Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Chrysler, for example, almost give their cars away with rebates and other incentives. Hence, Honda, Toyota, and VW's resale values are much much higher.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="nicenator"]

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. DeadMan1290

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

MS already charged that 1.15 billion to their last fiscal year. they never have to worry about it again.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

nicenator

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

600$ million? Really?? I didn't know:P

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Sees+Bigger+Fiscal+Q4+Loss/article7313.htm

Whoops. make that $1 billion loss

Sorry about that. :P

Um people like me are dying for a ps3 price drop, you can bet ill be getting one for 400$. Final Fantasy/Metal Gear solid. I dont think itll be the death of the 360. but if the ps3 cant keep its numbers close to the 360 with a 600$ price tag, then youd have to be ignorant to think the ps3 wont outsell the 360 with a 400$ PT.

[QUOTE="turgore"]PS3 gets a price cut . 360 gets a price cut. Back where we started.The_Crucible

Here's the difference. Sony has built value in the hardware. They've stuck to their price, for the most part, through all of the complaining. They've had fantastic reliability. 360, oin the other hand, has not done so well. Terrible reliability and price cut after price cut, the 360's value is at a low point. Why would MS be stupid enough to devalue it futher?

Its like cars. There's cars like Honda, Toyota, and VW that rarely, if ever, give any incentives to buy. Their incentive is the quality of the product delivered. but makers like Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Chrysler, for example, almost give their cars away with rebates and other incentives. Hence, Honda, Toyota, and VW's resale values are much much higher.

The 360 has only had 1 price cut. What are you talking about?

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Sees+Bigger+Fiscal+Q4+Loss/article7313.htm

Whoops. make that $1 billion loss

Sorry about that. :P

Yellow_Rose

1.9$ billion actually8)

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"]Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .cf2012

I totally agree but if they dont get there act together with some better titles soon, it wont matter.

I'm sorry, but 20 titles are being made by Sony 1st party alone before the end of this year. You mean to tell me not 1 of them interest you?

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

Yellow_Rose

600$ million? Really?? I didn't know:P

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Sees+Bigger+Fiscal+Q4+Loss/article7313.htm

Whoops. make that $1 billion loss

Sorry about that. :P

Because they just launched a console, and that tends to happen. At the same point during the launch of the 360, Microsoft had lost around 4 times that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Sales

"However, despite these sales figures, Microsoft's gaming division is losing money. Up to 2005, the Xbox gaming division had lost over $4 billion dollars.[94] However, Microsoft expects the console will start making money in 2008.[95] The losses are due to the market strategy of selling consoles below cost in order to obtain market saturation and turn a profit on software and peripherals that have a much higher profit margin.[96][97] Also notable is that Microsoft expects it needs to spend one billion dollars for repairs or replacements of bricked Xbox 360s.[83]"

Because they just launched a console, and that tends to happen. At the same point during the launch of the 360, Microsoft had lost around 4 times that.

*snip*snip*

nicenator

Yeah, those 4 billion? They're for the whole generation, not just launch. And Those 4 billion? Aren't offset at all by something called "ps2 profits".

SO PEOPLE WILL BUY CRAP BECUZ IT'S A LITTLE CHEAPER.....DON'T THINK SOchikenfriedrice

that what they said about the wii.

All the amazing AAAE games coming out for the PS3 right now and in the very near future are totally killing the 360. Totally.Vandalvideo

Care to share what games you are referring to when you say all the AAAE games coming out right now for the ps3? Since you know something no one else does let us in on the secret.

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. nicenator

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Salesnicenator

Did you even read the article, kid? That 4 billion loss was from 2001 - 2005. Four years.

That $1.9 billion Sony loss was fromONE YEAR. As a result, Sony (not the gaming division, but the WHOLE FRIGGIN COMPANY) lost $600 million for that fiscal year.

When have you ever seen the losses from Xbox division take down MS as a whole? Never you say? Good boy. ;)

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="nicenator"]

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. Yellow_Rose

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

MS already charged that 1.15 billion to their last fiscal year. they never have to worry about it again.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

nicenator

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

600$ million? Really?? I didn't know:P

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Sees+Bigger+Fiscal+Q4+Loss/article7313.htm

Whoops. make that $1 billion loss

Sorry about that. :P

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

If they lower the price for the ps2 again I dont think they will be making has much profit and if sony were smart they would avoid anothere price drop and keep the 60 gig in circulation and introduce or eliminate the 80 gig altogether to save money than lower the price of sixty gig and than reintroduce an 80 gig they have released too much in the past if they were smart they would of kept the 20 gig.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#SalesYellow_Rose

Did you even read the article, kid? That 4 billion loss was from 2001 - 2005. Four years.

That $1.9 billion Sony loss was fromONE YEAR. As a result, Sony (not the gaming division, but the WHOLE FRIGGIN COMPANY) lost $600 million for that fiscal year.

When have you ever seen the losses from Xbox division take down MS as a whole? Never you say? Good boy. ;)

hahahahahaha:lol:

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

James_Lipton

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

I really don't think MS can afford another price cut right now.

nicenator

and sony can? they lose over $100 on every console sold, more now that the 60 gig is $499. a 40 gig ps3 won't be much cheaper to make than an 80 gig so sony will lose more than ms does, they already lose more than ms.

[QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

Yellow_Rose

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

How can you say that:evil: ?The PS3 ownz everything in the market now:evil:...:roll:

[QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

Yellow_Rose

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

Worse shape? What does that mean? Reality speaking, they pay people to make a way so that can afford a price drop. Did you not know that? Also, 360 has a bigger attach rate, but how much profit they have returned from it?

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]

[QUOTE="blackhorsemen"]Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .blackhorsemen

Yes ps3 is getting a price cut says insider. I think i'll wait till sony says something. And whats stopping microsoft from dropping the price of the 360 again. If they do that then your back to square one for sony since microsoft has a larger library of games and is still cheaper than the ps3. Heck the 360 would still be cheaper than the ps3 even after sony's price drop.

M$ cant afford to do another price cut, they are already losing billions , plus the PS3 is actually a quality console

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

DeadMan1290

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

How can you say that:evil: ?The PS3 ownz everything in the market now:evil:...:roll:

Anyone will tell you PS3 is not in a good position. Very few will tell you 360 is in the same position because that would go against the popular idea here that "Sony is the only one in trouble"

[QUOTE="nicenator"]

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][Yet they are making a profit on every 360 sold. They also make money on Windows, Xbox Live, etc. They don't just make money on the console. Don't underestimate how much money microsoft has. Look at how much they payed to get exclusive episodic content on the 360. Yellow_Rose

Microsoft have never made a profit, onthe xbox orthe 360,and because of the warranties they will be at least $1bn down again this year.

MS already charged that 1.15 billion to their last fiscal year. they never have to worry about it again.

Sony, however, is still churning in money from the PS2

nicenator

So explain why the Playstation division lost $600 million last quarter.

also, the 360's with the 65 nm chip will be cheaper to make so ms will be able to lower the price even further.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

James_Lipton

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

Worse shape? What does that mean? Reality speaking, they pay people to make a way so that can afford a price drop. Did you not know that? Also, 360 has a bigger attach rate, but how much profit they have returned from it?

What some people, including the TC, is arguing is that only Sony is in a position to do price drops and MS is not.

I just proved otherwise. ;)

[QUOTE="James_Lipton"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

What is your point? Sony can't make money in the gaming industry?

Yellow_Rose

i'm saying SOny is in far worse shape than MS when it comes to price drop.

The 360 currently enjoys a bigger attach rate than the PS2 right now.

Worse shape? What does that mean? Reality speaking, they pay people to make a way so that can afford a price drop. Did you not know that? Also, 360 has a bigger attach rate, but how much profit they have returned from it?

What some people, including the TC, is arguing is that only Sony is in a position to do price drops and MS is not.

I just proved otherwise. ;)

Well, neither both argument are known. None of you are on the board of Sony and MS. And they never release number on production cost recently. You speculating just as much as the TC.

Everybody plans to buy a PS3 when it hits the $400 price tag , and We know Sony will release a $400 40GB PS3 this holiday season , PS3 will crush the 360 as soon as the 40GB PS3 arrives .blackhorsemen

A $400 PS3 will be the death of Sony, not MS. Sony isn't a big enough company to sustain those kind of losses for each console sold. but I agree, they need to do something if they want to get back in this war.

Well, neither both argument are known. None of you are on the board of Sony and MS. And they never release number on production cost recently. You speculating just as much as the TC.

James_Lipton

Recent showings of production cost shows 360 costing $323 it produce while the PS3 cost $840 to produce. This is from last November.

The TC claim Sony's games division was still profiting from PS2 sales, and i proved otherwise.

[QUOTE="James_Lipton"]

Well, neither both argument are known. None of you are on the board of Sony and MS. And they never release number on production cost recently. You speculating just as much as the TC.

Yellow_Rose

Recent showings of production cost shows 360 costing $323 it produce while the PS3 cost $840 to produce. This is from last November.

The TC claim Sony's games division was still profiting from PS2 sales, and i proved otherwise.

lol...last November isn't recent. in two months it will be November. Maybe you need to listen to me and just wait until the updated production cost is presented.