Lets Get a few things straight about Gran Turismo and Forza(56K WARNING)

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

Neither Forza OR Gran Turismo are realistic sims. I own a Lexus IS200, and my younger bro owns a BMW M3 old shape. I have played Forza, and neither the Lexus in taht game or the M3 drive like it does in real life. POINT 1

Secondly, Forza has damage. Is that damage realistic? far from it. Crash a SLR at 100 mph and the bumper falls off and loss of paintworkf? wow, realism at its finest :roll:

Here are some life like examples of supercar crashes:

DAMAGE(100mph crashes)

NASEEM HAMEDS SLR

ENZO

COMPARED TO:

I look at Forza, and i compare it to a game like Toca Race Driver, and i have to admit, the damage in Toca is far more realistic than Forza. Atleast if you crash your car in Toca, you engine fails, yourwheel breaks offetc.

THATS REALISM RIGHT THERE.//

HEAD ON COLLISION

quite laughable

GAMEPLAY

But but teh 9000000 parametres in Forza is betta than deh 300 in GT :cry:

Is it noticable? no

Is the gameplay far different fro m GT and Forza? not really

Im not saying the gameplay sucks. They are both brilliant games, but these games being an example of life like cars? far from it

A Ferrari can corner around a bend at 100mph WITH EASE. In Forza and GTHD, you can barely corner a ferari at 70mph.

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Conclusion: Neither Forza or GT are realistic. The fact taht Forza is a better game than GT is debatable. This is how i see it

GT3=Forza2>>Forza1>>GT4

I aint including GTHD because its nothing more than a tech demo, even though the graphics beat the hell out of all the games i have mentioned in this thread. GT4 was not that great, far from it. It was very boring to be fair, but GT3 somewhat kept me entertained for a very long time, and i sitll think its a kick butt game.

This is just my oppinion, so dont go awol on me :P

your thoughts?

i think they're just games, no matter how you see it, games that exists today can never achieve full realism. Hence I laugh at some posts about realism in video games. If you want reality, go out there and actually play sports and drive real cars.

Maybe in the future-- these realism may exist :0

Damage in forza 2 isn't realistic but as long as it isn't only cosmetic, it adds significantly to the gameplay.

And no the physics aren't all that realistic either.You're not supposed to be able to drift the race cars.

There's definitely a fine line between realism and fun. I wonder if such a line exists for photorealism and immersion?

I agree with youthat both games will not 100% replicate real driving experience. But in both games defense, they are the most accurate simulators out there. So much so that real drivers use them as test beds, like NASCAR drivers still use Sierra's NASCAR game.One thing about Forza, you can adjust the damage physics from arcade to simulator. I personally haven't changed it. (Not fun when you can't use your car anymore in a race :lol)

A racing game where 1 crash could comp. stop or reset the whole round would be rubbish. You wont get car damage like that because it would just put the car out of commission for good.

forza doesnt have real crashes becasue no car company would allow there car in it then. they even said this in a interview a while ago. so if you want real crashes all the cars would have been made up.

I've played everygame in both series (and still have them) and Forza is a better sim than GT hands down (IMO), i honestly cant enjoy GT anymore (whereas i used to play it for hours on end before Forza was released), it just feels so juvenile in comparison to Forza.

Physics: Forza > GT

Handling: Forza > GT

Customization: Forza > GT

Environments: Forza > GT

Tracks: GT > Forza

Car Models: GT > Forza (barely)

Career: GT > Forza

Variety of Cars: GT > Forza

All IMO of course.

hey

I played GTHD and I thought Forza 2 had way better graphics so I'm not sure what you're talking about.BigDaddyPOLO

are you really sure about that?

Well....I'm not saying that the damage is super-realistic because it's not but the cars do drive pretty damn close to their real life counterparts at least in my case. I drive an 04 mustang and for some reason I can drive the mustang better than any other car in the game.

Now I don't know if this is just a coincidence or not but it feels pretty accurate to driving the real thing, well, as close as you can get anyways.....that's just my 2c

I played GTHD and I thought Forza 2 had way better graphics so I'm not sure what you're talking about.BigDaddyPOLO

Yeah well when i played GT HD, I thought it looked way better than Forza 2... Even on an SD TV. i have yet to play GT HD in HD.

hey [QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]I played GTHD and I thought Forza 2 had way better graphics so I'm not sure what you're talking about.RazMaTaz-1

are you really sure about that?

Uh, are those all from the video game or are some real? I honestly can't tell, though granted, they aren't really high rez shots. If GT5 looks like this, it'll be scary real. I look forward to seeing it next year.

If they were 2 realistic then the game wouldn't be any fun.Silvereign

and Forza is still better than Gran Turismo.

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

RazMaTaz-1

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

Neither Forza OR Gran Turismo are realistic sims. I own a Lexus IS200, and my younger bro owns a BMW M3 old shape. I have played Forza, and neither the Lexus in taht game or the M3 drive like it does in real life. POINT 1

Secondly, Forza has damage. Is that damage realistic? far from it. Crash a SLR at 100 mph and the bumper falls off and loss of paintworkf? wow, realism at its finest :roll:

Here are some life like examples of supercar crashes:

DAMAGE(100mph crashes)

NASEEM HAMEDS SLR

ENZO

COMPARED TO:

I look at Forza, and i compare it to a game like Toca Race Driver, and i have to admit, the damage in Toca is far more realistic than Forza. Atleast if you crash your car in Toca, you engine fails, yourwheel breaks offetc.

THATS REALISM RIGHT THERE.//

HEAD ON COLLISION

quite laughable

GAMEPLAY

But but teh 9000000 parametres in Forza is betta than deh 300 in GT :cry:

Is it noticable? no

Is the gameplay far different fro m GT and Forza? not really

Im not saying the gameplay sucks. They are both brilliant games, but these games being an example of life like cars? far from it

A Ferrari can corner around a bend at 100mph WITH EASE. In Forza and GTHD, you can barely corner a ferari at 70mph.

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Conclusion: Neither Forza or GT are realistic. The fact taht Forza is a better game than GT is debatable. This is how i see it

GT3=Forza2>>Forza1>>GT4

I aint including GTHD because its nothing more than a tech demo, even though the graphics beat the hell out of all the games i have mentioned in this thread. GT4 was not that great, far from it. It was very boring to be fair, but GT3 somewhat kept me entertained for a very long time, and i sitll think its a kick butt game.

This is just my oppinion, so dont go awol on me :P

your thoughts?

RazMaTaz-1

9.2 >>> 8.5

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people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

Magical_Zebra

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

Magical_Zebra

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

100% realistic damage would take away from the fun of Forza.shaggygrosser

so you 360'ers like fun games like burnout rather than simulation like gt after all.

100% realistic damage would take away from the fun of Forza.shaggygrosser

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[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

jessesalinas

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

then go play a game that's fun rather than simulation, i'm pretty sure nfs carbon will feet your needs.

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

then go play a game that's fun rather than simulation, i'm pretty sure nfs carbon will feet your needs.

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

Magical_Zebra

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

jessesalinas

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

then go play a game that's fun rather than simulation, i'm pretty sure nfs carbon will feet your needs.

yeah, gt rocks! forza doesn't seem realistic, i've played both and wow gt is so realistic.

mario kart > allair_wolf_cubed

Hell yeah! Those were the days. Toadstool FTW!!!

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

jessesalinas

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

jessesalinas

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

lol i know, forza's physics are funny, like bumpercars.

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

then go play a game that's fun rather than simulation, i'm pretty sure nfs carbon will feet your needs.

yeah, gt rocks! forza doesn't seem realistic, i've played both and wow gt is so realistic.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

You approve the ownage on yourself?

self owned rofl

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

lol i know, forza's physics are funny, like bumpercars.

bumber cars are so realistic? i guess i should just plow through traffic next time since it wont do any damage to my carthen huh? :?jessesalinas

And you wont have to pay any damages to fix your car either seeing as there wont be any!

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

DoctorBunny

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

LeDavester

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

You approve the ownage on yourself?

self owned rofl

lawl at jesselinas. i know doctor bunny, it's so funny. self owned! lawl.

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

people like jessesalinasshould listen up.

jessesalinas

A better question is, does GT have damage modeling at all? :shock:

forza 2 doesn't have realistic damage modeling which makes it fakistic damage modeling. i'd rather have a game with realistic damage than fakistic damage because fake damage makes the game even more fake than a game with no damage models.

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

lol i know, forza's physics are funny, like bumpercars.

i know, it's funny how forza is like bumper cars.

Here's the problem with your post:

1) Damage modelling in forza is limited because of licensing agreements, there are no car manufacturers willing to let their cars be demolished in any game. Rumors are that the only reason GT doesn't already have damage modelling on par with Forza is that Polyphony digital wasn't willing to pay the increased licensing fees to include damage modelling because of the number of cars. Companies like Porshe, Ferrari and Lamborghini have reportedly asked for millions in licensing fees just for cosmetic damage in the past. The reason why games like Dirt, Toca and F1 all have full damage (wheels falling off and the like) is because the developer deals with the racing leagues and teams, which are more willing to let their cars be beaten up because they have nothing to lose. It doesn't hurt publicity like it does for Ford or Ferrariin a game like Forza or GT. Finally there is the fun factor, no one wants to restart a 50+ minute endurance race because the agressive AI bumped you going into a turn, Forza has already eliminated a number of potential consumers because of its realism (many people couldn't even make a corner in Forza 1) so why bother with frustrating your consumer base even further.

2) Of course the cars in Forza are not going to drive realistically, not only have Turn 10 explained this, but its simple common sense. First, if you read the book that comes with the forza 2 collectors edition, Turn 10 explains that no racing game can be 100% realistic. This is because of the huge number of factors that go into generating the game's physics and the number of unknowns. The Turn 10 team can't test every car with every possible combination of upgrades and tuning, it would take years. Intstead they test drive the base car (which still isn't always possible) or use information for manufacturers or racing teams and then estimate what another 100hp or taking off 300lbs will do to a particular car. Also the book explains how our society still does not understand all the physics of racing a car. This is especially true of tire physics, which according to Turn 10 are still unpredictable. Of course driving a lexus or BMW will be different in real life than in a game, in real life your driving a 3000+lbs car, in the game your whipping around a steering wheel or controller, you will obviously get more feedback from the car (road conditions, weight shifting etc.) than you will in a game, thats common sense.

[QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

LeDavester

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

What the hell? Dude, you cant be serious. Lemme make sure I got this straight. GT ownz because you can fly around the track, if you make a mistake (hit a wall, collide with a car) its of no importance because you can just bounce off of walls w/o having to worry about the consequences of your skill or lack thereof? In Forza you get punished for your actions. :shock:

[QUOTE="LeDavester"][QUOTE="jessesalinas"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

Um excuse me. With full simulation damage on you can completely render you car inoperable, not able to move. GT I can plow into a wall at 210 mph with one of my F1 cars and bounce of the damn wall and keep trucking. You were saying? :shock:

Magical_Zebra

owned!!!! this is why gt is better than forza! i approved also, and i seal also

What the hell? Dude, you cant be serious. Lemme make sure I got this straight. GT ownz because you can fly around the track, if you make a mistake (hit a wall, collide with a car) its of no importance because you can just bounce off of walls w/o having to worry about the consequences of your skill or lack thereof? In Forza you get punished for your actions. :shock:

lmfao!!! forza does suck!!! nice man nice!!! and nice 360 fanboy pic you got, lawl that's funny!!!