Lets get this over with - Do you think PC/360 games are exclusive to the 360?

:lol:

NO.

fatzombiepigeon

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?Danthegamingman

Gamer: Theres a difference between saying "Look, sales go down after every single golden year" and "OMG PC SALES ARE GOING DOWN, CONSOLSE SALES ARE GOING UP, PEOPLE ARE JUMPING SHIP". The latter is a stretch of logic. I'm making an objective observation and I'm not using logical deduction what-so-ever. My observation can be tested and observed. Can you truly prove that people are jumping ship? No. But I can prove that sales go down after every golden year.Vandalvideo

You've established that sales go down after every golden year. Many...many times. I got that part. What I'm saying is that even those it's a given that sales decline after golden years, part of it is due to some users jumping ship. People move from the consoles to PC on occasion and the same thing happens to the PC market. The reasons for some PC users jumping ship is that many people see consoles as a way to get some of their favorite games from the PC (I didn't say the majority) on consoles for a lower cost of initial ownership. Yes, it's true that over the course of a console generation, a console user can end up paying more than PC users for the same amount of games, but this often doesn't happen (I could do the math, but I choose not to at this juncture). So it is reasonable to assume that. If you can assume that PC sales impact console sales through deductive reasoning, then I can surely assume the same thing in reverse.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Alright, I'd like to take the opportunity to sum up the major arguments of both sides here. I'll try to keep my own opinions out, but I'm sure they'll slip in. Ah forget it, I'm not even going to try. :P

The "Yes, PC/360 games are somehow exclusive to the 360" side

• The "games are exclusive to whatever company 'owns' the platform" argument - MS clearly developed the 360, nobody's arguing that. But since most games for the PC are for Windows, and MS makes Windows, MS somehow owns PC gaming (even though they don't even collect licensing fees from PC games). For some reason, we all so desperately care about what company gets our money that we consider PC/360 games to be "MS Exclusive".
  
• The "PC is not a platform" argument - by cleverly manipulating an old and probably inadequate definition of the word "platform", we can through some bizarre logic deduce that the PC is in fact not a platform. Of course this really ignores the fact that "Windows PC" and "Linux PC" and "Mac PC" are really all seperate platforms, but whatever. So therefore we conclude that since the PC somehow doesn't exist, and therefore PC versions of games also don't exist. PC gamers have, in fact, been imagining all of their gaming experiences.
• The "PC games are seperate from console games" argument - apparently there is actually zero overlap between the people who play PC games (or imagine them, according to the previous argument) and the people who play console games. It is therefore impossible for this hypothetical situation to occur: a certain imaginary gamer, let's call him "teuf", owns a 360 and PC. He just can't wait to play Bioshock. But when it comes out, he has to decide whether he wants to get it for the PC or for the 360.
  

The "No, PC/360 games aren't exclusive to either" argument

• The "exclusive means exclusive" argment, AKA the logical argument - I don't think I could say this any better than foxhound_fox did, so I'll just quote him:

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Game on one platform. Exclusive.

Game on two or more platforms. Multiplatform.

Danthegamingman

but evidently forumites do not understand this including foxhound.

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?Bgrngod

Alright, I'd like to take the opportunity to sum up the major arguments of both sides here. I'll try to keep my own opinions out, but I'm sure they'll slip in. Ah forget it, I'm not even going to try. :P

The "Yes, PC/360 games are somehow exclusive to the 360" side

• The "games are exclusive to whatever company 'owns' the platform" argument - MS clearly developed the 360, nobody's arguing that. But since most games for the PC are for Windows, and MS makes Windows, MS somehow owns PC gaming (even though they don't even collect licensing fees from PC games). For some reason, we all so desperately care about what company gets our money that we consider PC/360 games to be "MS Exclusive".
  
• The "PC is not a platform" argument - by cleverly manipulating an old and probably inadequate definition of the word "platform", we can through some bizarre logic deduce that the PC is in fact not a platform. Of course this really ignores the fact that "Windows PC" and "Linux PC" and "Mac PC" are really all seperate platforms, but whatever. So therefore we conclude that since the PC somehow doesn't exist, and therefore PC versions of games also don't exist. PC gamers have, in fact, been imagining all of their gaming experiences.
• The "PC games are seperate from console games" argument - apparently there is actually zero overlap between the people who play PC games (or imagine them, according to the previous argument) and the people who play console games. It is therefore impossible for this hypothetical situation to occur: a certain imaginary gamer, let's call him "teuf", owns a 360 and PC. He just can't wait to play Bioshock. But when it comes out, he has to decide whether he wants to get it for the PC or for the 360.
  

The "No, PC/360 games aren't exclusive to either" argument

• The "exclusive means exclusive" argment, AKA the logical argument - I don't think I could say this any better than foxhound_fox did, so I'll just quote him:

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Game on one platform. Exclusive.

Game on two or more platforms. Multiplatform.

Teufelhuhn

why should they being called exclusives when they're not?.xBALOx

No no no. >_>

Exclusive means you can only play it on one system. If it is on the PC, then you do not need a 360 to play it. Therefore, not an exclusive. "PC doesn't count" is a moronic statement at best and there is no word to state at worst. No word that I'm allowed to use, anyways. The term "console exclusive" is a meaningless semantic that holds absolutely no water. >_>

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Alright, I'd like to take the opportunity to sum up the major arguments of both sides here. I'll try to keep my own opinions out, but I'm sure they'll slip in. Ah forget it, I'm not even going to try. :P

The "Yes, PC/360 games are somehow exclusive to the 360" side

• The "games are exclusive to whatever company 'owns' the platform" argument - MS clearly developed the 360, nobody's arguing that. But since most games for the PC are for Windows, and MS makes Windows, MS somehow owns PC gaming (even though they don't even collect licensing fees from PC games). For some reason, we all so desperately care about what company gets our money that we consider PC/360 games to be "MS Exclusive".
  
• The "PC is not a platform" argument - by cleverly manipulating an old and probably inadequate definition of the word "platform", we can through some bizarre logic deduce that the PC is in fact not a platform. Of course this really ignores the fact that "Windows PC" and "Linux PC" and "Mac PC" are really all seperate platforms, but whatever. So therefore we conclude that since the PC somehow doesn't exist, and therefore PC versions of games also don't exist. PC gamers have, in fact, been imagining all of their gaming experiences.
• The "PC games are seperate from console games" argument - apparently there is actually zero overlap between the people who play PC games (or imagine them, according to the previous argument) and the people who play console games. It is therefore impossible for this hypothetical situation to occur: a certain imaginary gamer, let's call him "teuf", owns a 360 and PC. He just can't wait to play Bioshock. But when it comes out, he has to decide whether he wants to get it for the PC or for the 360.
  

The "No, PC/360 games aren't exclusive to either" argument

• The "exclusive means exclusive" argment, AKA the logical argument - I don't think I could say this any better than foxhound_fox did, so I'll just quote him:

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Game on one platform. Exclusive.

Game on two or more platforms. Multiplatform.

Danm_999

but evidently forumites do not understand this including foxhound.

No no no. >_>

Exclusive means you can only play it on one system. If it is on the PC, then you do not need a 360 to play it. Therefore, not an exclusive. "PC doesn't count" is a moronic statement at best and there is no word to state at worst. No word that I'm allowed to use, anyways. The term "console exclusive" is a meaningless semantic that holds absolutely no water. >_>

PannicAtack

nice definition but its comparing Windows, Mac OS, and Linux all on the same platform (PC). It does not once bring consoles into the discussion.Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

No no no. >_>

Exclusive means you can only play it on one system. If it is on the PC, then you do not need a 360 to play it. Therefore, not an exclusive. "PC doesn't count" is a moronic statement at best and there is no word to state at worst. No word that I'm allowed to use, anyways. The term "console exclusive" is a meaningless semantic that holds absolutely no water. >_>

Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="LabWarrior1"] [QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?Ezgam3r

There is nothing to debate here, you CAN play those games if you have a 360, you CAN'T if you have a PS3, it is that simple really, PS3 is garbage as far as pc games go, onw of the best things 360 has is pc games, looking amazing and for just 300$ !!!! no extra frustration involved too

You call me a fanboy ? Only a fanboy like you would find having Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed etc on consoles a ...BAD THING !!!!!

All i know is, i can play a host of INCREDIBLE pc games on my 360, if i had a PS3 i would NOT BE ABLE TO !!! Now how the hell this simple fact is .... fanboyish is beyond me, care to explain ?

Fact is, if i could not play Bioshock and Alan Wake on my 360, i would be a SAD SAD gamer

So, you AGREE that PS3 not getting those games is the worst thing possible, wjile 360 getting them the best thing possible for any gamer

Ok, we agree then

[QUOTE="demoralizer"]If a game has more then a 2 year time console exclusive, then yes. Gears might go to PC in 5 years and cows claim it's not an exclusive. With the PS3 small user base some dev and pubs might look toward the PC also.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="xBALOx"] why should they being called exclusives when they're not?.Danm_999

PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. JiveT

PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. JiveT

I retort a game on two platforms is not not necessarily multiplatform. In the case of X360/PC game its called Cross platform not multiplatform. Even journalists understand what cross platform is, example http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/microsoft/pc360-crossplatform-games-to-explode-in-08-195829.php

but evidently forumites do not understand this including foxhound.

Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"] [QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?LabWarrior1

There is nothing to debate here, you CAN play those games if you have a 360, you CAN'T if you have a PS3, it is that simple really, PS3 is garbage as far as pc games go, onw of the best things 360 has is pc games, looking amazing and for just 300$ !!!! no extra frustration involved too

You call me a fanboy ? Only a fanboy like you would find having Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed etc on consoles a ...BAD THING !!!!!

All i know is, i can play a host of INCREDIBLE pc games on my 360, if i had a PS3 i would NOT BE ABLE TO !!! Now how the hell this simple fact is .... fanboyish is beyond me, care to explain ?

Fact is, if i could not play Bioshock and Alan Wake on my 360, i would be a SAD SAD gamer

So, you AGREE that PS3 not getting those games is the worst thing possible, wjile 360 getting them the best thing possible for any gamer

Ok, we agree then

[QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Vandalvideo

PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. JiveT

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Bgrngod

[QUOTE="LabWarrior1"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"] [QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?Ezgam3r

There is nothing to debate here, you CAN play those games if you have a 360, you CAN'T if you have a PS3, it is that simple really, PS3 is garbage as far as pc games go, onw of the best things 360 has is pc games, looking amazing and for just 300$ !!!! no extra frustration involved too

You call me a fanboy ? Only a fanboy like you would find having Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed etc on consoles a ...BAD THING !!!!!

All i know is, i can play a host of INCREDIBLE pc games on my 360, if i had a PS3 i would NOT BE ABLE TO !!! Now how the hell this simple fact is .... fanboyish is beyond me, care to explain ?

Fact is, if i could not play Bioshock and Alan Wake on my 360, i would be a SAD SAD gamer

So, you AGREE that PS3 not getting those games is the worst thing possible, wjile 360 getting them the best thing possible for any gamer

Ok, we agree then

I find hard to believe there are gamers that owuld not loveto play Bioshock and Alan Wake BUT Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed are all must haves for me too, i just can't wait for all of them, they are equally imporatant to my 360 as the 360 ONLY games

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Bgrngod

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JiveT"]PC's aren't standardized format so they shouldn't be compared to consoles. Call me when PC is stanardized like consoles. . If my PC could play any PC game you might have an argument. Console exclusive means something...no other console can play that game. KTHXBYE. Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"] [QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="LabWarrior1"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Due to the recent ramblings on another thread about if a game on the PC and the 360 should or shouldn't be considered a "console exclusive" to the 360, we might as well have a vote on this matter. So SW, what do you believe is the right answer?LabWarrior1

There is nothing to debate here, you CAN play those games if you have a 360, you CAN'T if you have a PS3, it is that simple really, PS3 is garbage as far as pc games go, onw of the best things 360 has is pc games, looking amazing and for just 300$ !!!! no extra frustration involved too

You call me a fanboy ? Only a fanboy like you would find having Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed etc on consoles a ...BAD THING !!!!!

All i know is, i can play a host of INCREDIBLE pc games on my 360, if i had a PS3 i would NOT BE ABLE TO !!! Now how the hell this simple fact is .... fanboyish is beyond me, care to explain ?

Fact is, if i could not play Bioshock and Alan Wake on my 360, i would be a SAD SAD gamer

So, you AGREE that PS3 not getting those games is the worst thing possible, wjile 360 getting them the best thing possible for any gamer

Ok, we agree then

I find hard to believe there are gamers that owuld not loveto play Bioshock and Alan Wake BUT Oblivion, UT3.0, Two Worlds, Bioshock, Elveon, Overlord, Circle of Doom, Project Offset, Assaisns Creed are all must haves for me too, i just can't wait for all of them, they are equally imporatant to my 360 as the 360 ONLY games

ummm the competition is between ps3 and the wii..m$ is tryin to bring pc and 360 players together. when a game comes out only on 360/pc then to me its a 360 exclusive..no one is breaking their necks for the new pc'sBillGates_Money

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]ummm the competition is between ps3 and the wii..m$ is tryin to bring pc and 360 players together. when a game comes out only on 360/pc then to me its a 360 exclusive..no one is breaking their necks for the new pc'sTeufelhuhn

isnt casey's choice of system a PC?BillGates_Money

I still can't believe the "yes" votes outnumber the "no" votes.  I have yet to see even one close-to-reasonable argument from the "yes" side.  Teufelhuhn