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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]
guys this is the offical thread and it looks like for now on pc/360 games will be called exclusive to the 360. The poll speaks for its self
I now declare bioshock and alan wake 360 exclusive
Bgrngod

Then I now declare bioshock and alan wake PC exclusive

But you can play them on the Mac.

A Mac is a PC. I didn't say "Windows PC exclusive" did I?

But it would seem kind of silly saying PC Exclusive when there is no legitimate competing platform right? That's somewhat like saying "The new album is a CD Exclusive". (well 5 years ago before iTunes etc. took off it would seem silly)

Maybe, but 10-15 years ago it would have made sense when tape were still the norm :P

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Ahhh... that program. I had heard about it awhile back but didn't know the name. So it just turns a MAC into a PC then right?

Well, a Mac really is a PC at this point, but that's a technical issue. But yeah, it basically lets you turn your Mac into a Windows PC without having to modify anything.

So then you're not really playing games on a Mac are you... you're playing them on a PC running Bootcamp? There is some gray area here. When I think Mac I think OS X etc. When I think PC I think Windows OS's, Linux OS's etc. I think most people would agree with this generalization.

It is a but grey, I agree. The reason you and most people don't consider Mac's to be PC's, is because up until a year or two ago they weren't. Once Apple started using Intel CPU's, they were simpling selling specialized PC's running OS X.

Anyway, I personally think it makes things easier and simpler if we mainly stick to Windows games when talking about PC games. This helps solidify just what exactly the platform is, and takes care of the Mac loophole.

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I'd still love to hear an argument how anyone can consider the same game being able to be played on more than one platform as exclusive.

As if arguing the platform changes this.

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I'd still love to hear an argument how anyone can consider the same game being able to be played on more than one platform as exclusive.

As if arguing the platform changes this.
XaosII

Indeed. You can't argue Occam's razor, the simplest solution is always the best.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"] Console gaming is not competing with PC gaming, so PC gaming is not relavent to a discussion about "Console Exclusives". The PC is not a console, so it has nothing to do with a discussion about "Console Exclusives". PC Gaming is a different market then console gaming, so again it has nothing to do with "Console Exclusive" discussions.

This is all essentially the same argument. And the simple answer to it is: where in this thread did it say "console exclusives"? I mean if someone wants to start a board call "Console Wars" where only consoles are fair game, then sure you can talk about console exclusives all you'd like. But here the PC is just as viable a platform as all the consoles, therefore it makes absolutely no sense to exclude it from exclusivity discussions.

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The combined sales of the PS2 and Xbox was around 140 million world wide. How many of those buyers are also PC gamers? Sure there are a ton of people playing MMO's across Asia (huge huge market over there) but how many of those MMO addicts do anything outside of their PC MMO's? Not that many. Most are stuck on their MMO's and perfectly happy being there. It's common knowledge that the overall worldwide market for gaming (both console and PC combined) is mostly console gaming by a significant amount. I would love to see some sales figures for this as I don't remember what they are, but PC Gaming is a small section of the combined market. The vast majority of people that buy consoles do not play PC Games at all, where as PC Gamers probably have at least one console if not more. Meaning that there are probably a very small number of people that are trying to decide between getting a PC to game on or a Console to game on. (this is an indicator that there are two different markets) I concede that there is at list a little bit of competition there, but it is probably extremely small to the point of being not important. I do understand the "No" side from people in this thread. If it's on more then one, then obviously it isn't exclusive. The "yes" camp doesn't see the PC as being a factor since they are mostly concerned with just the Consoles competing with each other. The exclusion of PC gaming from any discussions is justified from their point of view.

You're not baseing this on real data, or anything else that constitutes as viable evidence for supporting your argument. The fact is we don't have reliable data on the sales of PC games, since much of it is tied up in alternative distribution or in smaller "casual" games. Therefore saying that the PC doesn't compete with consoles isn't based anything except personal preferences or ancedotal evidence.

Reread the original post. It clearly asks about Console Exclusives. When having a PS3 vs 360 discussion it is totally viable to say that Oblivion is a Console Exclusive on the 360. You are correct that there are no precise sales figures for PC Gaming due to the reasons you listed. It could also be said that assuming they do compete is based on personal preferences or anecdotal evidence. That is all we really have to work with to try and prove it either way.

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I'd still love to hear an argument how anyone can consider the same game being able to be played on more than one platform as exclusive.

As if arguing the platform changes this.
XaosII

Well you better do some reading in either this thread and this one

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#257 Radeon_X1950XTX

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microsoft exclusive, your supporting microsoft either way, and cows dont like that /thread

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[QUOTE="XaosII"]I'd still love to hear an argument how anyone can consider the same game being able to be played on more than one platform as exclusive.

As if arguing the platform changes this.
Ezgam3r

Well you better do some reading in either this thread and this one

I have. I have yet to see an argument that actually counters this. If you can bring it up, i'd love to see it.

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]
guys this is the offical thread and it looks like for now on pc/360 games will be called exclusive to the 360. The poll speaks for its self
I now declare bioshock and alan wake 360 exclusive
Ezgam3r

Then I now declare bioshock and alan wake PC exclusive

But you can play them on the Mac.

A Mac is a PC. I didn't say "Windows PC exclusive" did I?

But it would seem kind of silly saying PC Exclusive when there is no legitimate competing platform right? That's somewhat like saying "The new album is a CD Exclusive". (well 5 years ago before iTunes etc. took off it would seem silly)

Maybe, but 10-15 years ago it would have made sense when tape were still the norm :P

Yeah, but I intentionally didn't say right now (digital distribution) or 10-15 years ago (because of the darn tapes) just to try and make my point about it sounding silly. My overall point is that saying PC Exclusive is totally viable if there was a competing platform trying to grab whatever game it is. For example it would make sense to say ATI exclusive! if certain games only ran on ATI or nVidia cards, even if that game is on a console.

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[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"]microsoft exclusive, your supporting microsoft either way, and cows dont like that /thread

If your going to sy that then its also "exclusive to ID/EPIC/CREATIVE/NVIDIA and about twenty other companies" since MS doesn't make computer parts.

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#261 TheWiikestLink

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wow,"Yes" is winning....i mean how much lemmings must be in SW that they deny such a strong FACT?

Here's another question you can ask yourself to all the people that voted "yes".....if a game is on PC/360 can i say it's exclusive to the PC?

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poptart wrote:No, although its not a multiplat, its a 'dualplat'.

So it being on two different platforms makes it exclusive to one? Makes sense to me.

No, as in 'no, it's not exclusive', but just that the term multiplat shouldn't be applied to a game that's on only 2 systems. Its called being podantic

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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="XaosII"]I'd still love to hear an argument how anyone can consider the same game being able to be played on more than one platform as exclusive.

As if arguing the platform changes this.
XaosII

Well you better do some reading in either this thread and this one

I have. I have yet to see an argument that actually counters this. If you can bring it up, i'd love to see it.

Well there really isn't any that can counter it beside blind fanboyism.

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poptart wrote:No, although its not a multiplat, its a 'dualplat'.
So it being on two different platforms makes it exclusive to one? Makes sense to me.
No, as in 'no, it's not exclusive', but just that the term multiplat shouldn't be applied to a game that's on only 2 systems. Its called being podantic
poptart

Yea but to make life easier lets just keep it at "multiplat". We got too many different term around here like timed exclusive, console exclusive and such.

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wow,"Yes" is winning....i mean how much lemmings must be in SW that they deny such a strong FACT?

Here's another question you can ask yourself to all the people that voted "yes".....if a game is on PC/360 can i say it's exclusive to the PC?TheWiikestLink

I suppose it has to work both ways, yes.

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[QUOTE="dimar19"]I don't have and not going to buy PC so why do I have to care about dead platform?Ezgam3r

Not the point. The freakin game is on the 360 and PC and last time I checked, an exclusive isn't on 2 platforms.

but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.

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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="dimar19"]I don't have and not going to buy PC so why do I have to care about dead platform?klactose

Not the point. The freakin game is on the 360 and PC and last time I checked, an exclusive isn't on 2 platforms.

but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.

The PSP and PS2 however, work quite differently, and very rarely share ports of exactly the same game. The PC, for all it's customisation and complexity, works much in the same way as consoles, and has many direct ports.

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to a certain extent yes strictly speaking between a PS3 vs. xbox 360 discussion they should be mentioned because that game wont come to the PS3 however when listing exclusives make them into a separate list to indicate they are coming to the PC its a valid point but not equal to a true exclusive.

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[QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="dimar19"]I don't have and not going to buy PC so why do I have to care about dead platform?Danm_999

Not the point. The freakin game is on the 360 and PC and last time I checked, an exclusive isn't on 2 platforms.

but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.

The PSP and PS2 however, work quite differently, and very rarely share ports of exactly the same game. The PC, for all it's customisation and complexity, works much in the same way as consoles, and has many direct ports.

I don't know if I can agree with that... the PSP get's alot of the same games that PS2 gets, even some that the xbox used to get

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="dimar19"]I don't have and not going to buy PC so why do I have to care about dead platform?klactose

Not the point. The freakin game is on the 360 and PC and last time I checked, an exclusive isn't on 2 platforms.

but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.

The PSP and PS2 however, work quite differently, and very rarely share ports of exactly the same game. The PC, for all it's customisation and complexity, works much in the same way as consoles, and has many direct ports.

I don't know if I can agree with that... the PSP get's alot of the same games that PS2 gets, even some that the xbox used to get

Perhaps I should bring up the point then that while Sony owns both the PS2 and PSP, Microsoft does not own or manufacture PC components, merely selling OS for them.

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[QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="klactose"]but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.Danm_999

The PSP and PS2 however, work quite differently, and very rarely share ports of exactly the same game. The PC, for all it's customisation and complexity, works much in the same way as consoles, and has many direct ports.

I don't know if I can agree with that... the PSP get's alot of the same games that PS2 gets, even some that the xbox used to get

Perhaps I should bring up the point then that while Sony owns both the PS2 and PSP, Microsoft does not own or manufacture PC components, merely selling OS for them.

yeah but why should that matter... it's still a different platform isn't it.. and isn't that what everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about? I'm not denying anyone the privilege of calling a game that comes out soley on the ps2 and the psp a Sony exclusive, a PS2 console exclusive, or a PSP handheld exclusive... any of those would be fine to me....

It seems that some of you guys though, have a disdain for people who understand that there are multiple "classes" of platforms. Basically the heirarchy would look something like, cell phone, hand held, console, PC.

In each class the platforms compete mostly with members of the same class. So when discussing handhelds and if I was comparing games between the PSP , DS, and NGage, why couldn't I brag that I have Burnout Dominator as a PSP handheld exclusive? Just because it's also on the PS2? I don't know... doesn't seem to hard to understand too me.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="klactose"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="klactose"]but also, you used the term "console exclusive".... some believe there is a difference between that term and simply "exclusive" for instance if a game comes out on PS2 and PSP couldn't PS2 claim that title as a "console exclusive"? I think so. Is it "eclusive" to the PS2? No.klactose

The PSP and PS2 however, work quite differently, and very rarely share ports of exactly the same game. The PC, for all it's customisation and complexity, works much in the same way as consoles, and has many direct ports.

I don't know if I can agree with that... the PSP get's alot of the same games that PS2 gets, even some that the xbox used to get

Perhaps I should bring up the point then that while Sony owns both the PS2 and PSP, Microsoft does not own or manufacture PC components, merely selling OS for them.

yeah but why should that matter... it's still a different platform isn't it.. and isn't that what everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about? I'm not denying anyone the privilege of calling a game that comes out soley on the ps2 and the psp a Sony exclusive, a PS2 console exclusive, or a PSP handheld exclusive... any of those would be fine to me....

It seems that some of you guys though, have a disdain for people who understand that there are multiple "classes" of platforms. Basically the heirarchy would look something like, cell phone, hand held, console, PC.

In each class the platforms compete mostly with members of the same class. So when discussing handhelds and if I was comparing games between the PSP , DS, and NGage, why couldn't I brag that I have Burnout Dominator as a PSP handheld exclusive? Just because it's also on the PS2? I don't know... doesn't seem to hard to understand too me.

Because its the same game, on more than one platform, being called "exclusive."

Im sorry. I simply dont see how even splitting them into categories changes how the game can be considered exclsuive when you are playing the same game on two different platforms.

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They are both Microsoft's consoles...basically Microsoft's games....so yeah pc/360 = Microsft...=exclusive for a Microsoft,..=Sony/Nintendo cannot touch

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#274 Vandalvideo

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They are both Microsoft's consoles...basically Microsoft's games....so yeah pc/360 = Microsft...=exclusive for a Microsoft,..=Sony/Nintendo cannot touchtacubano

The PC is not a microsoft platform by any stretch of the imagination. They do not own, manufacture or support the PC in general.

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[QUOTE="tacubano"]They are both Microsoft's consoles...basically Microsoft's games....so yeah pc/360 = Microsft...=exclusive for a Microsoft,..=Sony/Nintendo cannot touchVandalvideo

The PC is not a microsoft platform by any stretch of the imagination. They do not own, manufacture or support the PC in general.

But the games section is mostly theirs and associated with them and no one else.....so basically Microsoft does own the gaming business on the pc since those games MUST run on windows software...Macs don't count...poor piece of crap...

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#276 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="tacubano"]They are both Microsoft's consoles...basically Microsoft's games....so yeah pc/360 = Microsft...=exclusive for a Microsoft,..=Sony/Nintendo cannot touchtacubano

The PC is not a microsoft platform by any stretch of the imagination. They do not own, manufacture or support the PC in general.

But the games section is mostly theirs and associated with them and no one else.....so basically Microsoft does own the gaming business on the pc since those games MUST run on windows software...Macs don't count...poor piece of crap...

So because the games "run on microsoft software" its a Microsoft platform huh? Well what about the royalties charged by companies to use their engines or even the drivers for hardware. These games "run on their software" as well. I guess its a EPIC/ID/Valve/CREATIVE/and Nvidia platform as well.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="tacubano"]They are both Microsoft's consoles...basically Microsoft's games....so yeah pc/360 = Microsft...=exclusive for a Microsoft,..=Sony/Nintendo cannot touchtacubano

The PC is not a microsoft platform by any stretch of the imagination. They do not own, manufacture or support the PC in general.

But the games section is mostly theirs and associated with them and no one else.....so basically Microsoft does own the gaming business on the pc since those games MUST run on windows software...Macs don't count...poor piece of crap...

I hope you own a Dreamcast. if you do, look at the side of it. On its side is embossed "Windows CE." The Dreamcast uses an early version of Microsoft's handheld/mobile OS for its OS and the games.

Does that make the Dreamcast a Microsoft system? Why or why not?

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wow,"Yes" is winning....i mean how much lemmings must be in SW that they deny such a strong FACT?

Here's another question you can ask yourself to all the people that voted "yes".....if a game is on PC/360 can i say it's exclusive to the PC?TheWiikestLink

It's a fact that if a game comes out on the 360/PC then its not a "Console Exclusive" like the question asks? So the PC is a console then huh?

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Im not saying that Microsot entirely owns PCs,....just that when people think pc games they think Microsoft....and soon cause of windows xbox live...it will be associated even more...

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#280 Vandalvideo

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Im not saying that Microsot entirely owns PCs,....just that when people think pc games they think Microsoft....and soon cause of windows xbox live...it will be associated even more...tacubano

"They're both microsoft consoles" Do you retract your original statement?

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Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.

People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.

People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.

So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.

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#283 Vandalvideo

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Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
Bgrngod

In that case I push the notion that all games that are on the 360 and the PC are indeed "PC Exclusives".

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who gives a monkeys???

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Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
Bgrngod

No.

Because thats just as meaningless as saying a 360/Wii game is "HD exclusive" on the 360 and therefore doesnt count that its on the Wii for the sake of inflating the list of PS3 titles. Or how about a game on all 3 consoles, but its "Motion sensing exclusive" on the PS3 and the Wii, therefore it can be listed as an exclusive for both the Wii and the PS3.

When you start making exceptions to exclusitivity (on things that are clearly not exclusive), its completely meaningless. It doesnt change how you can play my made-up "HD Exclusive" game on a Wii or a 360. That, by no means, is exclusive.

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#286 AdrianWerner

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No, they're not exclusive. It would screw up the whole point of SystemWars. lemmings should just give up, they've been trying and trying and oh my God..trying to enforce that rule change, but it just won't happen. Just give it up

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#287 bezaire2005

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No, they're not exclusive. It would screw up the whole point of SystemWars. lemmings should just give up, they've been trying and trying and oh my God..trying to enforce that rule change, but it just won't happen. Just give it upAdrianWerner

cows just hide behind it...it's there #1 excuse against the 360. If the 360 gets a AAA game all you hear is "IT"S ON PC SO IT"S NOT EXCLUSIVE!!!!". Pretty lame.

Besides...with vista...who cares?

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]
Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
Vandalvideo

In that case I push the notion that all games that are on the 360 and the PC are indeed "PC Exclusives".

Go right ahead. But it seems a bit silly to say since their is nothing else that it would be on in when your only talking PC's.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]
Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
Bgrngod

In that case I push the notion that all games that are on the 360 and the PC are indeed "PC Exclusives".

Go right ahead. But it seems a bit silly to say since their is nothing else that it would be on in when your only talking PC's.

Everything I do has a reason. I'm reserving that arguement for future ownage.

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]
Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
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No.

Because thats just as meaningless as saying a 360/Wii game is "HD exclusive" on the 360 and therefore doesnt count that its on the Wii for the sake of inflating the list of PS3 titles. Or how about a game on all 3 consoles, but its "Motion sensing exclusive" on the PS3 and the Wii, therefore it can be listed as an exclusive for both the Wii and the PS3.

When you start making exceptions to exclusitivity (on things that are clearly not exclusive), its completely meaningless. It doesnt change how you can play my made-up "HD Exclusive" game on a Wii or a 360. That, by no means, is exclusive.

Well saying "HD Exclusive would correctly mean that it being on the Wii doesn't count of the context of the discussion is solely about a game being in HD. It's a fact that there are games that are "Console Exclusive" on the 360 that are on the PC. The PC isn't a console, so it doesn't play into the context of the discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make. I'm not going to argue the reasoning behind why someone would just ignore the PC version of a game in a discussion, but for plenty of people here there is a clear distinction between PC gaming and Console gaming, so using the term "Console Exclusive" holds value depending on the conversation. The problem here is that everyone freaks out when someone uses the term Exclusive when in the context of being a "Console Exclusive". Well what about PCs? Well the conversation was not considering the PC since it was a PS3 vs. 360 conversation only.

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]
Here is how this is probably shaking out. We clearly have two camps voting on each side of the question. And a lot of people absolutely refusing to look at it from the other side.
People voting "Yes" believe there is a difference between "Exclusive" and "Console Exclusive" and don't consider the PC a Console. When someone uses the term "exclusive" they interchange it with the term "Console Exclusive" in thier minds based on the context of the discussion.
People voting "No" believe that "Exclusive" means only one one platform regardless of what category of Console, PC, Handheld, Cellphone etc it may be in. When these people see the term "Exclusive" they think cross category regardless of the context it may be used in since "Console Exclusive" was not specified as it probably should have been by whoever used it.
So can we all at least agree that if a game is on the 360 and the PC that it is indeed a "Console Exclusive" to the 360? This seems like a pretty obvious distinction to me.
Vandalvideo

In that case I push the notion that all games that are on the 360 and the PC are indeed "PC Exclusives".

Go right ahead. But it seems a bit silly to say since there is nothing else that it would be on in when your only talking PC's.

Everything I do has a reason. I'm reserving that arguement for future ownage.

Very poetic. I'll wait for it I guess.

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of course theyre console exclusive, thats why theyre called console exclusive. pcs not a console. thats like saying such and such ps2 game isnt exclusive cuz its also out for the mobile phone. yeah, its still console exclusive.

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of course theyre console exclusive, thats why theyre called console exclusive. pcs not a console. thats like saying such and such ps2 game isnt exclusive cuz its also out for the mobile phone. yeah, its still console exclusive.Big_T-Mac

Then to the same extent do your acknowledge that any and all multiplats that are for a console and a PC are PC exclusives?

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Well saying "HD Exclusive would correctly mean that it being on the Wii doesn't count of the context of the discussion is solely about a game being in HD. It's a fact that there are games that are "Console Exclusive" on the 360 that are on the PC. The PC isn't a console, so it doesn't play into the context of the discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make. I'm not going to argue the reasoning behind why someone would just ignore the PC version of a game in a discussion, but for plenty of people here there is a clear distinction between PC gaming and Console gaming, so using the term "Console Exclusive" holds value depending on the conversation. The problem here is that everyone freaks out when someone uses the term Exclusive when in the context of being a "Console Exclusive". Well what about PCs? Well the conversation was not considering the PC since it was a PS3 vs. 360 conversation only.

And its all quite meaningless to exclude whole platforms in a forum called SystemWars, not ConsoleWars.

The term "console exclusive" holds absolutely nothing of merit in any discussion, because in anything being dicussed, it does not mean that theres a PC version of a game also on the Wii, PS3, or the 360. The PC, not being a console, does not mean its impossible or impractical to go up to a store and pick up the PC version of the game any more than it is to pick up the one for the 360 or the PS3.

In almost every context that "console exclusive" is used is solely to inflate the list of 360 "exclusive" titles. As if, somehow, it was not possible to play those PC/360 games without a 360.

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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Everything I do has a reason. I'm reserving that arguement for future ownage.

Very poetic. I'll wait for it I guess.

I'm not, I'm gonna go ahead and :roll: for future waste of time.

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[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Well saying "HD Exclusive would correctly mean that it being on the Wii doesn't count of the context of the discussion is solely about a game being in HD. It's a fact that there are games that are "Console Exclusive" on the 360 that are on the PC. The PC isn't a console, so it doesn't play into the context of the discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make. I'm not going to argue the reasoning behind why someone would just ignore the PC version of a game in a discussion, but for plenty of people here there is a clear distinction between PC gaming and Console gaming, so using the term "Console Exclusive" holds value depending on the conversation. The problem here is that everyone freaks out when someone uses the term Exclusive when in the context of being a "Console Exclusive". Well what about PCs? Well the conversation was not considering the PC since it was a PS3 vs. 360 conversation only.

And its all quite meaningless to exclude whole platforms in a forum called SystemWars, not ConsoleWars.

The term "console exclusive" holds absolutely nothing of merit in any discussion, because in anything being dicussed, it does not mean that theres a PC version of a game also on the Wii, PS3, or the 360. The PC, not being a console, does not mean its impossible or impractical to go up to a store and pick up the PC version of the game any more than it is to pick up the one for the 360 or the PS3.

In almost every context that "console exclusive" is used is solely to inflate the list of 360 "exclusive" titles. As if, somehow, it was not possible to play those PC/360 games without a 360.

if were not exclusding anything in any discussion anymore, i'm going to ask that all ds vs psp threads are immediately removed, as well as any ps3 vs 360 threads, all ps3 vs wii threads, all 360 vs wii threads, all pc vs 360 threads, cuz theyre excluding all the other systems. seems silly.

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[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]of course theyre console exclusive, thats why theyre called console exclusive. pcs not a console. thats like saying such and such ps2 game isnt exclusive cuz its also out for the mobile phone. yeah, its still console exclusive.Vandalvideo

Then to the same extent do your acknowledge that any and all multiplats that are for a console and a PC are PC exclusives?

You are going to have to draw a distinction between what Computer platform it is on. What OS does it run on would be better then just saying PC Exclusive. You should use Windows Exclusive, OSX Exclusive, Vista Exclusive etc. These would really be the competing platforms for computers that would be similar to how the consoles are split up. Some people identify PC as PC vs Mac etc, where as some people think PC is for anything that runs on computer hardware. It'll just confuse people.

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#298 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]of course theyre console exclusive, thats why theyre called console exclusive. pcs not a console. thats like saying such and such ps2 game isnt exclusive cuz its also out for the mobile phone. yeah, its still console exclusive.Bgrngod

Then to the same extent do your acknowledge that any and all multiplats that are for a console and a PC are PC exclusives?

You are going to have to draw a distinction between what Computer platform it is on. What OS does it run on would be better then just saying PC Exclusive. You should use Windows Exclusive, OSX Exclusive, Vista Exclusive etc. These would really be the competing platforms for computers that would be similar to how the consoles are split up. Some people identify PC as PC vs Mac etc, where as some people think PC is for anything that runs on computer hardware. It'll just confuse people.

You could totally run any PC game on any Operating system with some elbow grease. I'm just going to lump them all together for that reason. They are all "Personal computers"

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[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Well saying "HD Exclusive would correctly mean that it being on the Wii doesn't count of the context of the discussion is solely about a game being in HD. It's a fact that there are games that are "Console Exclusive" on the 360 that are on the PC. The PC isn't a console, so it doesn't play into the context of the discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make. I'm not going to argue the reasoning behind why someone would just ignore the PC version of a game in a discussion, but for plenty of people here there is a clear distinction between PC gaming and Console gaming, so using the term "Console Exclusive" holds value depending on the conversation. The problem here is that everyone freaks out when someone uses the term Exclusive when in the context of being a "Console Exclusive". Well what about PCs? Well the conversation was not considering the PC since it was a PS3 vs. 360 conversation only.

And its all quite meaningless to exclude whole platforms in a forum called SystemWars, not ConsoleWars.

The term "console exclusive" holds absolutely nothing of merit in any discussion, because in anything being dicussed, it does not mean that theres a PC version of a game also on the Wii, PS3, or the 360. The PC, not being a console, does not mean its impossible or impractical to go up to a store and pick up the PC version of the game any more than it is to pick up the one for the 360 or the PS3.

In almost every context that "console exclusive" is used is solely to inflate the list of 360 "exclusive" titles. As if, somehow, it was not possible to play those PC/360 games without a 360.

"Console Exclusive" means nothing to YOU because you play PC games. To plenty of people on SW Consoles are the only option so PC's get chucked out of the equation when arguing between the different consoles.

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[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Well saying "HD Exclusive would correctly mean that it being on the Wii doesn't count of the context of the discussion is solely about a game being in HD. It's a fact that there are games that are "Console Exclusive" on the 360 that are on the PC. The PC isn't a console, so it doesn't play into the context of the discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make. I'm not going to argue the reasoning behind why someone would just ignore the PC version of a game in a discussion, but for plenty of people here there is a clear distinction between PC gaming and Console gaming, so using the term "Console Exclusive" holds value depending on the conversation. The problem here is that everyone freaks out when someone uses the term Exclusive when in the context of being a "Console Exclusive". Well what about PCs? Well the conversation was not considering the PC since it was a PS3 vs. 360 conversation only.

And its all quite meaningless to exclude whole platforms in a forum called SystemWars, not ConsoleWars.

The term "console exclusive" holds absolutely nothing of merit in any discussion, because in anything being dicussed, it does not mean that theres a PC version of a game also on the Wii, PS3, or the 360. The PC, not being a console, does not mean its impossible or impractical to go up to a store and pick up the PC version of the game any more than it is to pick up the one for the 360 or the PS3.

In almost every context that "console exclusive" is used is solely to inflate the list of 360 "exclusive" titles. As if, somehow, it was not possible to play those PC/360 games without a 360.

if were not exclusding anything in any discussion anymore, i'm going to ask that all ds vs psp threads are immediately removed, as well as any ps3 vs 360 threads, all ps3 vs wii threads, all 360 vs wii threads, all pc vs 360 threads, cuz theyre excluding all the other systems. seems silly.

Yeah...about as silly as pretending a game that can be played on more than one platform is exclusive.

A thread of 360 vs PS3 exclusives is a perfectly fine discussion. As long as you actually list games that are exclusive. You arent fooling anyone by listing a 360/PC game as an exclusive when millions of people are playing the game - without a 360. A 360 vs PS3 thread counting all multiplat and exclusive titles are perfectly fine. I dont understand how the context of "exclusive" in a forum called System Wars means "found on this platform, as well as this other one, but we don't really count it because its not beneficial to count it under this discussion."

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