Lets have a high quality long lasting high-end PC for $600.

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#51 Zeliard9
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]OS aren't expensive, especially if you're a student. I can get XP for like 30 bucks and vista for 50.lowe0

Student pricing, huh? I seem to recall someone giving me some BS lecture about arguments that don't apply in all circumstances. I wonder who that was?

Reread my post "Operating systems aren't expensive." Thats one idea. Operating systems aren't expensive. "Especially if you're a student." They're two entirely seperate ideas. Not only are OS relatively cheap, but if you're a student they're even cheaper.

Bar none, this is the lamest dodge I've ever seen. Is anyone else buying this crap?

What, is the clear logic too much for you?

Do you know what the word "especially" means?

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#52 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"]You don't, but why would you assemble a pc with next to no knowledge about it? That's like me getting a crash course on how to assemble an engine in 5 minutes. Do you expect anyone to feel confident that they can do it? Sure I might be able with common sense and the little knowledge I have, but it sure as heck wouldn't be pretty nor would I get the best results compared to if I actually went to a week long class about it.Vandalvideo
Its called the learning process. I applied the basic fundamental skills I've learned and figured it out.

It's called being prepared. You're the type who likes to wing it huh?
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#53 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]OS aren't expensive, especially if you're a student. I can get XP for like 30 bucks and vista for 50.Zeliard9

Student pricing, huh? I seem to recall someone giving me some BS lecture about arguments that don't apply in all circumstances. I wonder who that was?

Reread my post "Operating systems aren't expensive." Thats one idea. Operating systems aren't expensive. "Especially if you're a student." They're two entirely seperate ideas. Not only are OS relatively cheap, but if you're a student they're even cheaper.

Bar none, this is the lamest dodge I've ever seen. Is anyone else buying this crap?

What, is the clear logic too much for you?

Do you know what the word "especially" means?

He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.
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]He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.lowe0
I knew exactly what I was doing. I was elaborating on other circumstances. Operating systems are not expensive. Not only are they not expensive, but if you're a student they are even less expensive.
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#56 clone01
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]]He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.Vandalvideo
I knew exactly what I was doing. I was elaborating on other circumstances. Operating systems are not expensive. Not only are they not expensive, but if you're a student they are even less expensive.

xp is $199. that's not cheap.

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#57 heretrix
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This is getting REALLY annoying.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.Vandalvideo
No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.lolkie_81

No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

True, graphics will level out one day but because of that PC parts will be super cheap and everyone will have a PC capable of playing any game. Consoles are the ones that will get phazed out, not the PC.
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#60 clone01
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.lolkie_81

No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

prepare your hermit shield.

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[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.karasill

No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

True, graphics will level out one day but because of that PC parts will be super cheap and everyone will have a PC capable of playing any game. Consoles are the ones that will get phazed out, not the PC.

It will be a LOOONG time before we reach the maximum potential of graphics so it will be some time before that happens.
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[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"]The problem is, PCs don't last as long as consoles... have you tried playing Far Cry on a high-end PC built in 2001? Theoretically the PC should be able to handle it, if it "lasts as long as a console."Vandalvideo
I could play Far Cry with my 4MX, which was made in 2002.

Heh, I played Far Cry with that card as well. It actually ran the game pretty well despite being a cheap graphics card. Cutscenes were kind of laggy, though.

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#63 lowe0
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.Vandalvideo
No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

And you violate the license agreement. Way to go, you've just advocated breach of contract.

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#64 karasill
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[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.Stranger_7

No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

True, graphics will level out one day but because of that PC parts will be super cheap and everyone will have a PC capable of playing any game. Consoles are the ones that will get phazed out, not the PC.

It will be a LOOONG time before we reach the maximum potential of graphics so it will be some time before that happens.

For PC's a good 10-15 years sounds about right considering what graphics looked like in 1993 and what Crysis and Alan Wake look like now. I'm fairly confident by 2018-2023 we'll have reached that potential.
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Sorry, you have to add an OS; and since not everybody's a student...89 for xp 99 for vista home premium...
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#66 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]]He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.clone01

I knew exactly what I was doing. I was elaborating on other circumstances. Operating systems are not expensive. Not only are they not expensive, but if you're a student they are even less expensive.

xp is $199. that's not cheap.

Maybe if you're buying from some guy in the back alley of a walmart. You can get it for 80 bucks from pricewatch.
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actually, that costs about $700 if you include shipping...just saying.jack_russel

shipping is VERY cheap on newegg.
though that comp wil never last. the grapghics card isnt good enough to last.
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#68 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.lolkie_81

No I'm saying you ask a college student to buy you the dang thing. You save like 80%.

pc gamers........ NO I dont know any students I can bum off of. The hermits try to play out pc gaming like any one on these forums "besides the hermits" care! Yes if you know what you are doing and people, you can get a some what cheap pc. I just dont care enough to even try. Consoles are plug and play virus free and graphics getting better each gen. Graphics will level out on day and the precious pc graphics wont matter.

You don't even need to know someone. Most PCs come with operating systems. I'm merely providing a means to an end.
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#69 Vandalvideo
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Sorry, you have to add an OS; and since not everybody's a student...89 for xp 99 for vista home premium...beatzfreak69
Which isn't even that much money. Besides, its not like its hard to find a student.
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[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"]The problem is, PCs don't last as long as consoles... have you tried playing Far Cry on a high-end PC built in 2001? Theoretically the PC should be able to handle it, if it "lasts as long as a console."Vandalvideo
I could play Far Cry with my 4MX, which was made in 2002.

I can play Far Cry on my beastly Laptop. 512MB Ram, 32MB of Geforece 4 MMX Mobile. Straight Beast!

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"]actually, that costs about $700 if you include shipping...just saying.-HalleR-

shipping is VERY cheap on newegg.
though that comp wil never last. the grapghics card isnt good enough to last.

LOL you realize that card is twice as powerful as either consoles graphics.:roll:
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I dont shop online.
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[QUOTE="-HalleR-"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]actually, that costs about $700 if you include shipping...just saying.Stranger_7

shipping is VERY cheap on newegg.
though that comp wil never last. the grapghics card isnt good enough to last.

LOL you realize that card is twice as powerful as either consoles graphics.:roll:

Didnt you know when the high end 9 series come all the computers with 8800 cards will explode and you will need to get a 9 series to play games.:shock:
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#74 beatzfreak69
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Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

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#75 Vandalvideo
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Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

beatzfreak69
Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?
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[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

Vandalvideo
Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

People who want high end do.
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[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

Vandalvideo

Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

Just going by the TC's title... :)

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#78 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

Imgangsterdawg
Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

People who want high end do.

High end doesn't mean anything besides stroking your ego. I'm still geting graphics far superior to anything consoles can provide.
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#79 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

beatzfreak69

Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

Just going by the TC's title... :)

Fine if you want to get technical, the 7900GS is one of the most high end DX9 cards.
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#80 karasill
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Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

beatzfreak69
My old computer that I made in 2004 (Athlon 64 3200+, Geforce 6800 GT, 1 GB of ram) can play any recent game on medium settings (except Crysis which can run low/medium). Heck, it can run Doom 3, Orange Box, Far Cry, Bioshock, and FEAR at high settings no problem. It wasn't super high end when I built it too and it's lasted four years. I now have a new PC but this just goes to show you that PC's can last just as long as a console.
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[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

Vandalvideo

Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

Just going by the TC's title... :)

Fine if you want to get technical, the 7900GS is one of the most high end DX9 cards.

So much for getting the most out of DX10 games. The 1950 is king of DX9.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

Besides, long-lasting....high-end? Those are things those computer aren't.

beatzfreak69

Long lasting they are. High end? Like I give a crap about high end?

Just going by the TC's title... :)

Just because there are better cards out there doesnt mean that the 8800GS is not a high end card.
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#83 Vandalvideo
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So much for getting the most out of DX10 games. The 1950 is king of DX9.beatzfreak69
The 7950 is just an overclocked 7900 in practice. The 7900 is still a "high end DX9 card". Its a "high-end" rig.
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Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

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#85 beatzfreak69
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[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]So much for getting the most out of DX10 games. The 1950 is king of DX9.Vandalvideo
The 7950 is just an overclocked 7900 in practice. The 7900 is still a "high end DX9 card". Its a "high-end" rig.

I said 1950, not 7950. You're right, it's a high-end XP rig.

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Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Imgangsterdawg
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?
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#87 Vandalvideo
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I said 1950, not 7950. You're right, it's a high-end XP rig.beatzfreak69
I just assumed that it was a typo or ramblings. Besides, a 7900 isn't that much less powerful than a 1950.
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[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]

Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Broken_Tulip
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ120228295126QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120228295126
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#89 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]

Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Imgangsterdawg
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ120228295126QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120228295126

Oh look its out of the box, its used. Don't even temp me to go build a refurbished PC rig for 300 bucks.
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#90 Imgangsterdawg
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[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]

Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Vandalvideo
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ120228295126QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120228295126

Oh look its out of the box, its used. Don't even temp me to go build a refurbished PC rig for 300 bucks.

Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.
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#91 karasill
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]

Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Imgangsterdawg
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ120228295126QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120228295126

Oh look its out of the box, its used. Don't even temp me to go build a refurbished PC rig for 300 bucks.

Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.

But it's not new... :| Find me a NEW Xbox 360 for $250 that includes a hard drive.
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#92 Stranger_7
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]

Since we like to shop online and use online prices, my buddy bought his 360 online for 250 dollars, i guess console gaming is cheaper then amiright?

Imgangsterdawg
Where can i get a brand new xbox 360 with a harddrive for $250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ120228295126QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120228295126

Oh look its out of the box, its used. Don't even temp me to go build a refurbished PC rig for 300 bucks.

Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.

Sorry it's open box.That doesnt count.
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#93 Vandalvideo
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Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.Imgangsterdawg
Not after you take all associated externalities into effect like cheaper games, free online, etc.
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#94 Stranger_7
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[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"] Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.Vandalvideo
Not after you take all associated externalities into effect like cheaper games, free online, etc.

Seriously console gaming is more expensive overall period.

It is just sad that some people dont realize that.

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#95 Riki101
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consoles dont last for 5 years actually,

the first year in the consoles life shouldnt count, becuase there isnt alot of games to chose from,
and the last year the console starts to die, thats when people start to stop buying their games for their console so they can save up for "TEH NEXT GEN"

....with pc anytime is a good time to purchase and the games are always coming to supply the hardcore
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#96 nullvision
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

Mid-level Antecs are good PSUs (I had a TP430, and now have a TPTrio 550), but I don't think their 12v rail has enough current for an 8800. You may want to step that PSU up a little.

Also, I don't see an OS anywhere on that list.

Vandalvideo

OS aren't expensive, especially if you're a student. I can get XP for like 30 bucks and vista for 50.

That's fine if your a student, but for people in the real world Vista is $99 for the basic edition (which is garbage) and up to $299 for Ultimate.

Are you telling me you can't find some college student to bum off of?

Ok, so I should steal my software, now?

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#97 Riki101
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every pc gamer is enjoying HD games with their pc,

some console gamers are still in front of sd-tv waiting to shell out 600-1000+ dollars for teh "HD EXPEIRIENCES!!

dont forget

RROD
expensive peripherals (20gb= 100 dolars lawl)
games more expensive
multiplats are inferiror
pay for content that should be free
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#98 DragonfireXZ95
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every pc gamer is enjoying HD games with their pc,

some console gamers are still in front of sd-tv waiting to shell out 600-1000+ dollars for teh "HD EXPEIRIENCES!!

dont forget

RROD
expensive peripherals (20gb= 100 dolars lawl)
games more expensive
multiplats are inferiror
pay for content that should be freeRiki101

Not according to Wok7! lol

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#99 nullvision
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]that would be great if I knew how to put it together...lolkarasill
A few hours of research can do wonders.

Now it's, steal the software (if you're not a student, you are violating the license - same as stealing), and take a course in computer hardware...

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#100 Riki101
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[QUOTE="Riki101"]every pc gamer is enjoying HD games with their pc,

some console gamers are still in front of sd-tv waiting to shell out 600-1000+ dollars for teh "HD EXPEIRIENCES!!

dont forget

RROD
expensive peripherals (20gb= 100 dolars lawl)
games more expensive
multiplats are inferiror
pay for content that should be freeDragonfireXZ95

Not according to Wok7! lol



LAWL, yes its a shame my monitor cant even do 480i, ill have to buy a 720p monitor soon sigh