Lets have a high quality long lasting high-end PC for $600.

I can't really read any more of this garbage.

So far, I get the argument that you can build a mediocre pc if you have $600. You need a monitor - most houses have tv's, most don't have monitors - I should steal the software, and I should do 'some' research after which I can spend a couple of hours putting together my leet gaming rig

or...

I can just go buy a console.

Seriously, I game on all platforms, I have been building pcs since 1994, I work with computers all day, and I have been gaming since the early 80's. And I call BS on this topic and on the fanboys using a really stupid argument in favor of pc gaming.

How about sticking to the truth? How about, if you want the best control in an fps or rts, and the best graphics at a given moment in time, AND if you're willing to make some or many upgrades along the way and that money is no object, that a pc might be the way to go.

OTOH

Consoles are cheaper, have a better control scheme for more genres out of the box, better comfort factor (hmmm, couch or office chair) and last longer.

Period.

End of topic.

Epic fail.

Heh. Epic fail. That's ironic.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]]He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.Vandalvideo

xp is $199. that's not cheap.

for an upgrade...even pricewatch has the full versions at about $170.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Sorry, you have to add an OS; and since not everybody's a student...89 for xp 99 for vista home premium...Vandalvideo

i don't know any students.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]]He knew exactly what he was doing when he put his student prices into that sentence. After he was called out on it, he tried to justify it.clone01

xp is $199. that's not cheap.

for an upgrade...even pricewatch has the full versions at about $170.

OEM isn't upgrade. It's the FULL os installation.

haven't we has enough of the threads? is everyone board today?

I still don't care about PC gaming, sorryf50p90

and I still don't care about console gaming even if ps3 was $200

haven't we has enough of the threads? is everyone board today?

I still don't care about PC gaming, sorryf50p90

and I still don't care about console gaming even if ps3 was $200

The problem is, PCs don't last as long as consoles... have you tried playing Far Cry on a high-end PC built in 2001? Theoretically the PC should be able to handle it, if it "lasts as long as a console."Funkyhamster

and farcry never ran on ps2 or xbox (instants was a different massivly cut down game)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

Mid-level Antecs are good PSUs (I had a TP430, and now have a TPTrio 550), but I don't think their 12v rail has enough current for an 8800. You may want to step that PSU up a little.

Also, I don't see an OS anywhere on that list.

EmperorSupreme

That's fine if your a student, but for people in the real world Vista is $99 for the basic edition (which is garbage) and up to $299 for Ultimate.

the oem versions are much less and if your in the real world you have a job and $100 isn't very much

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

Mid-level Antecs are good PSUs (I had a TP430, and now have a TPTrio 550), but I don't think their 12v rail has enough current for an 8800. You may want to step that PSU up a little.

Also, I don't see an OS anywhere on that list.

EmperorSupreme

That's fine if your a student, but for people in the real world Vista is $99 for the basic edition (which is garbage) and up to $299 for Ultimate.

I don't think you can burn it off with Vista, don't you have to go thru activation.

and all that does is check the cd key a valid, it don't matter what version of windows it is oem retail etc it wont make any difference

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"] Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.Stranger_7

It is just sad that some people dont realize that.

PC gaming is for people with no friends.

LOL @ local multiplayer requiring multiple PCs.

Nuff said.

BTW whoever says PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, I spent the last 5 minutes laughing.

That is all.

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Broken_Tulip

Heres the problem Friendo you haven't taken the shipping cost into account which is another $35.00 and on top of that you do need to take into account a new OS because lets face it not everyone has upgraded to Vista. So you make no sense and again this thread is an epic

FAIL!

PC gaming is for people with no friends.

LOL @ local multiplayer requiring multiple PCs.

Nuff said.

BTW whoever says PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, I spent the last 5 minutes laughing.

That is all.

death919

OMG havent u heard of online gaming .

building a pc is more expensive than buying a console .

but gaming on a pc is cheaper.

face it no paying for online and cheaper games.

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Broken_Tulip

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

[QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"]

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Cranler

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

Sorry, but we don't live in the past...

PC gaming is for people with no friends.

LOL @ local multiplayer requiring multiple PCs.

Nuff said.

BTW whoever says PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, I spent the last 5 minutes laughing.

That is all.

death919

Oh noes, you have no friends? Do you need a hug?

PC gaming is more expensive than consoles if you want the best stuff, but we get what we pay for right? Full high def resolutions, none of that 600p crap, better graphics like AA and such. Better controls, better online multiplayer, mods that extend replayability of some games. Boy PC gaming sure is swell.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"] Go ahead, the 360 is still cheaper.Stranger_7

It is just sad that some people dont realize that.

I'm both a pc gamer and console gamer.

Console gaming is cheaper in the US. Simple fact.

$60 a year for live isnt much and its so easy to find people to borrow console games from.

A short game like Condemned for instance is worth an $8 rental but certainly not worth $30 on pc.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"]

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

DragonfireXZ95

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

Sorry, but we don't live in the past...

You and the op need to learn how to compare apples to apples.

[QUOTE="death919"]

PC gaming is for people with no friends.

LOL @ local multiplayer requiring multiple PCs.

Nuff said.

BTW whoever says PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, I spent the last 5 minutes laughing.

That is all.

DragonfireXZ95

Oh noes, you have no friends? Do you need a hug?

PC gaming is more expensive than consoles if you want the best stuff, but we get what we pay for right? Full high def resolutions, none of that 600p crap, better graphics like AA and such. Better controls, better online multiplayer, mods that extend replayability of some games. Boy PC gaming sure is swell.

I agree. Its just funny when you see all these "pc gaming isnt more expensive" threads.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"]

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Cranler

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

Sorry, but we don't live in the past...

You and the op need to learn how to compare apples to apples.

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

[

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

DragonfireXZ95

I'm just comparing things correctly.

The op has a weak argument anyway since the 8800gt alone is already close to the price of the 360.

Your just grasping for straws.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

Cranler

I'm just comparing things correctly.

The op has a weak argument anyway since the 8800gt alone is already close to the price of the 360.

Your just grasping for straws.

You're comparing things correctly?

I think you're living in the past.

We have new technology that we can utilize; why would we be using some crappy graphics card that has been far surpassed in this day and age?

PC's have always been more expensive than consoles, so why should we not be able to use new hardware if we also say that it is more expensive?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

DragonfireXZ95

I'm just comparing things correctly.

The op has a weak argument anyway since the 8800gt alone is already close to the price of the 360.

Your just grasping for straws.

You're comparing things correctly?

I think you're living in the past.

We have new technology that we can utilize; why would we be using some crappy graphics card that has been far surpassed in this day and age?

PC's have always been more expensive than consoles, so why should we not be able to use new hardware if we also say that it is more expensive?

Ever heard the saying "history repeats itself"?

Its true especially when it comes to technology.

My point is that a $600 pc isnt going to last long.

OP says the 8800gt will last 5 years. Thats crazy talk.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

Cranler

I'm just comparing things correctly.

The op has a weak argument anyway since the 8800gt alone is already close to the price of the 360.

Your just grasping for straws.

You're comparing things correctly?

I think you're living in the past.

We have new technology that we can utilize; why would we be using some crappy graphics card that has been far surpassed in this day and age?

PC's have always been more expensive than consoles, so why should we not be able to use new hardware if we also say that it is more expensive?

Ever heard the saying "history repeats itself"?

Its true especially when it comes to technology.

My point is that a $600 pc isnt going to last long.

Yes, and new technology comes along, so let's utilize it.

I was never claiming that you didn't have to upgrade your PC every few years, and I was never claiming that it is less than consoles. I am agreeing with the TC that a 600 dollar PC is much more powerful than consoles, is this not a fact?

EDIT: Replying to your edit. Actually we don't know if an 8800 GT will last 5 years or not. It will probably last at least 3 for sure though, it could be up to 5, but we won't know until that time comes.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][

Or you need to learn not to live in the past. The world is moving forward, you should too.

DragonfireXZ95

I'm just comparing things correctly.

The op has a weak argument anyway since the 8800gt alone is already close to the price of the 360.

Your just grasping for straws.

You're comparing things correctly?

I think you're living in the past.

We have new technology that we can utilize; why would we be using some crappy graphics card that has been far surpassed in this day and age?

PC's have always been more expensive than consoles, so why should we not be able to use new hardware if we also say that it is more expensive?

Ever heard the saying "history repeats itself"?

Its true especially when it comes to technology.

My point is that a $600 pc isnt going to last long.

I was never claiming that you didn't have to upgrade your PC every few years, and I was never claiming that it is less than consoles. I am agreeing with the TC that a 600 dollar PC is much more powerful than consoles, is this not a fact?

You seem to agree more with me than the op.

When has even a top of the line card lasted more than 3 years? Never.

Even the next monster card from Nvidia wont be able to handle next gen console graphics.

The PS3 and 360 are similar to a low end gaming PC.

You get what you pay for.

It just boils down to what kind of games you like

listen to the man he speaks the truth.

The PS3 and 360 are similar to a low end gaming PC.

You get what you pay for.

It just boils down to what kind of games you like

skrat_01

[QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"]

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Cranler

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Broken_Tulip"]

One of the prime complaints i see in these kind of threads is that the components are not high quality and it wont last long and if i am spending that much money i may as well spend more to get a high-end that would last.Well here is one high quality one that will last as long as the ps3 and 360 atleast.There we go,

Casing.That's a stylish casing and has adequate cooling for the PC and is not a cheap one.

DVD burner.

7200 RPM Harddrive.

8800 Graphics Card.

Antec 430W Power Supply.This is a high quality PSU if you didnt know.

Corsair 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Ram.This is again high quality Ram.

Asus Intel motherboard.Asus is a very reliable motherboard manufacturer if you didnt know.

Intel E6750 core 2 duo CPU.This is one high end CPU for you.

Keyboard.

Mouse.

Total=$600.

Since your consoles come with a controller i included the keyboard and mouse as well.You can use your existing OS so you dont need that.The motherboard has 5.1 surround so we dont need a soundcard.Your console does not come with a TV or speakers so we will leave that as well.

This PC costs about 50% more than your consoles and is 100% more powerful than either console.It will last atleast as long as your console last.It will always be ahead of your consoles in the graphics department and ofcourse the PC is always ahead in the games department.

So basically the ps3 and xbox 360 is a ripoff compared to PC and companies are not losing money on each console but only making a fool out of their consumer into believing that.

So the bottom line is this that console gaming is more expensive with ti expensive games and less price performance hardware and still provides an inferior experience to the PC despite being expensive.Well that is sad.

Good day.

Stranger_7

So your comparing a pc you can buy 2 1/2 years into the 360's cycle.

How about comparing a similarly priced pc in late 2005 to the 360.

A $250 graphics card at the time of the 360 launch was the Radeon X1650 XT.

That card gets 27fps in Bioshock which means it probably drops into the teens in combat so its unplayable at settings that the 360 can handle. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page8.asp

Gamespots COD 4 performance guide shows this card benching 30fps which once again means teens in heavy situations. Low settings at 800x600 might match the 360's constant 60fps performance.

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

And also, bioshock runs at 30FPS on the X360, and has framerate drops too.

This is the nerdiest thread I've seen in a while.

"My graphics card is bigger than yours".

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="karasill"] So a complete noob (Like my teenage sister) can learn the in's and out's and assemble a PC from scratch with a few minutes of research and not run into any problems? karasill

Consoles are cheaper, have a better control scheme for more genres out of the box, better comfort factor (hmmm, couch or office chair) and last longer.nullvision

I agree, its not hard to learn how to put it together, but it definatley takes atleast a few hours of good research to make sure you know what you are dong and how to do it.PelekotansDream

The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Stranger_7

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

[QUOTE="Stranger_7"]The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Cranler

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

Haha,this guy actually did a decent job,but since when do people who bought a HP or Dell PC a few years ago have a copy of XP or Vista? LAWL

And contary to what hermits like to think,there ARE games that you can't get for PC that you can get on Consoles,SSBB,SMG,Uncharted,MSG4,Halo 3,etc just like there are games on PC that you can't get on consoles.

It depends on what kind of games the person likes to play really,PC is usually lacking in Platformers and Fighters for example,just like how consoles are lacking in RTS and Action/Adventure games,just a example.

I still don't care about PC gaming, sorryf50p90

I was thinking the same thing. Who cares if you can build a high-end PC for $600. I'm still going to play my console games more then any PC game out on the market. I don't even play WoW much anymore. I use my PC for surfing, paying bills and writing articles more then I use it for playing any game.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Stranger_7"]The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Stranger_7

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

If you read my earlier posts you would know.

The topic creator is saying a budget pc will last a long time. A budget pc bought at the time the 360 launched is just about obsolete at this point. Why do you think the tc's pc will last any longer?

The x1950pro only does 41fps with vsync off in Bioshock. How is that considerably better than the 360's performance?

This is the nerdiest thread I've seen in a while.

"My graphics card is bigger than yours".

vegetattack15

[QUOTE="Stranger_7"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Stranger_7"]The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Cranler

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

If you read my earlier posts you would know.

The topic creator is saying a budget pc will last a long time. A budget pc bought at the time the 360 launched is just about obsolete at this point. Why do you think the tc's pc will last any longer?

The x1950pro only does 41fps with vsync off in Bioshock. How is that considerably better than the 360's performance?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Stranger_7"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Stranger_7"]The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Riki101

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

If you read my earlier posts you would know.

The topic creator is saying a budget pc will last a long time. A budget pc bought at the time the 360 launched is just about obsolete at this point. Why do you think the tc's pc will last any longer?

The x1950pro only does 41fps with vsync off in Bioshock. How is that considerably better than the 360's performance?

Graphics are almost identical.

[QUOTE="Stranger_7"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Stranger_7"]The 360 plays bioshock in 12x7 whereas the link you showed shows 12x12 so nice try but you fail.:lol:

And again 360 plays COD4 in 10x6 whereas gamespots hardware guide only has 12x10 as the res so you fail again for being so stupidly ignorant.

Cranler

Its 12x10 not 12x12.

You think dropping the res to 1280x720 is going to make a noticable difference in performance?

The medium settings bench only gave that card an extra 3fps.

Those benches are with vsync off. The 360 framerate averages in the 50's with v-sync off and holds a steady 30fps with it on.

That card averaged 45fps at 1024x768 in COD2 while the 360 did 720p at a constant 60fps. Obviously dropping to 1024 isnt going to help that card much in COD4. Like I said you would have to drop the settings to lowest quality for that card to match the 360's performance. http://xtreview.com/review158.htm

If you read my earlier posts you would know.

The topic creator is saying a budget pc will last a long time. A budget pc bought at the time the 360 launched is just about obsolete at this point. Why do you think the tc's pc will last any longer?

The x1950pro only does 41fps with vsync off in Bioshock. How is that considerably better than the 360's performance?

And who told you that once a card cannot max a game it becomes obsolete.You do know that you can lower the settings right?The fact that a X1650 maxes out bioshock in 10x7 just tells you much life is left even in a last gen budget card.

8800GS is a budget card ONLY from it's price.It is NOT AND NOT a budget card from performance.It is quite close to the other 8800 brethrens if you didnt know and this card can get 10000+ in 3dmark06 which is saying alot for a $130 card.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6177688/p-6.html

Where are you getting your numbers.X1950pro apparentely gets 53fps in 10x7 which is about 70% faster than the 360's 30fps.And wait X1650 gets 33fps here so even that is doing better than the 360.

And who told you that once a card cannot max a game it becomes obsolete.You do know that you can lower the settings right?The fact that a X1650 maxes out bioshock in 10x7 just tells you much life is left even in a last gen budget card.

8800GS is a budget card ONLY from it's price.It is NOT AND NOT a budget card from performance.It is quite close to the other 8800 brethrens if you didnt know and this card can get 10000+ in 3dmark06 which is saying alot for a $130 card.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6177688/p-6.html

Stranger_7

From Firing Squad who made a typo with 1280x1200 and you didnt realize the mistake. I was stating the 1280x1024 bench not the 1024x768. Why are you comparing a pc bench at 1024x768 to the 360 which does 1280x720?

You dont seem to know about vsync. All these benches are done without vsync which can drastically change benchmarking results.

Bioshock on 360 allows you to disable v-sync and when you do the framerate skyrockets and would probably bench in the 50's or 60's.

Bioshock is terrible without v-sync. Areas with flickering lights cause incredibly annoying screen tearing.

33fps steady with vsync would be ok. Average 33fps means framerates dip into the teens in combat when framerate matters the most.

Consoles will probably help the 8800gs last longer since console popularity is dictating graphical levels on the whole. All these UE3 games for example would look much better if they were built from the ground up for pc.

Even with that in mind I dont see the 8800gs lasting very long. Plus someone upgrading is also going to need to upgrade the cpu, mb and ram as well which puts you well over the console cost.

[QUOTE="Stranger_7"]

Where are you getting your numbers.X1950pro apparentely gets 53fps in 10x7 which is about 70% faster than the 360's 30fps.And wait X1650 gets 33fps here so even that is doing better than the 360.

And who told you that once a card cannot max a game it becomes obsolete.You do know that you can lower the settings right?The fact that a X1650 maxes out bioshock in 10x7 just tells you much life is left even in a last gen budget card.

8800GS is a budget card ONLY from it's price.It is NOT AND NOT a budget card from performance.It is quite close to the other 8800 brethrens if you didnt know and this card can get 10000+ in 3dmark06 which is saying alot for a $130 card.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6177688/p-6.html

Cranler

From Firing Squad who made a typo with 1280x1200 and you didnt realize the mistake. I was stating the 1280x1024 bench not the 1024x768. Why are you comparing a pc bench at 1024x768 to the 360 which does 1280x720?

You dont seem to know about vsync. All these benches are done without vsync which can drastically change benchmarking results.

Bioshock on 360 allows you to disable v-sync and when you do the framerate skyrockets and would probably bench in the 50's or 60's.

Bioshock is terrible without v-sync. Areas with flickering lights cause incredibly annoying screen tearing.

33fps steady with vsync would be ok. Average 33fps means framerates dip into the teens in combat when framerate matters the most.

Consoles will probably help the 8800gs last longer since console popularity is dictating graphical levels on the whole. All these UE3 games for example would look much better if they were built from the ground up for pc.

Even with that in mind I dont see the 8800gs lasting very long. Plus someone upgrading is also going to need to upgrade the cpu, mb and ram as well which puts you well over the console cost.

My old computer (Athlon 64 3200+, Geforce 6800 GT, and 1 GB of ram) can run most games pretty good. I made this computer in 2004. I can play any game in the Orange Box on high settings. I can play Bioshock on High just fine, I can play Doom 3, Prey, Quake IV, Far Cry, FEAR on high, etc... Get my point?

[QUOTE="f50p90"]I still don't care about PC gaming, sorryblackace

I was thinking the same thing. Who cares if you can build a high-end PC for $600. I'm still going to play my console games more then any PC game out on the market. I don't even play WoW much anymore. I use my PC for surfing, paying bills and writing articles more then I use it for playing any game.

I was just thinking the opposite. My consoles now collect dust while all my gaming time is going to my new PC. Graphics much better than any console out there and the games actually allow tweaking and customization. Glad I tried out PC gaming to see what I was missing with consoles.

[QUOTE="Stranger_7"]

Where are you getting your numbers.X1950pro apparentely gets 53fps in 10x7 which is about 70% faster than the 360's 30fps.And wait X1650 gets 33fps here so even that is doing better than the 360.

And who told you that once a card cannot max a game it becomes obsolete.You do know that you can lower the settings right?The fact that a X1650 maxes out bioshock in 10x7 just tells you much life is left even in a last gen budget card.

8800GS is a budget card ONLY from it's price.It is NOT AND NOT a budget card from performance.It is quite close to the other 8800 brethrens if you didnt know and this card can get 10000+ in 3dmark06 which is saying alot for a $130 card.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6177688/p-6.html

Cranler

From Firing Squad who made a typo with 1280x1200 and you didnt realize the mistake. I was stating the 1280x1024 bench not the 1024x768. Why are you comparing a pc bench at 1024x768 to the 360 which does 1280x720?

You dont seem to know about vsync. All these benches are done without vsync which can drastically change benchmarking results.

Bioshock on 360 allows you to disable v-sync and when you do the framerate skyrockets and would probably bench in the 50's or 60's.

Bioshock is terrible without v-sync. Areas with flickering lights cause incredibly annoying screen tearing.

33fps steady with vsync would be ok. Average 33fps means framerates dip into the teens in combat when framerate matters the most.

Consoles will probably help the 8800gs last longer since console popularity is dictating graphical levels on the whole. All these UE3 games for example would look much better if they were built from the ground up for pc.

Even with that in mind I dont see the 8800gs lasting very long. Plus someone upgrading is also going to need to upgrade the cpu, mb and ram as well which puts you well over the console cost.

1024x768=768432

1280x720=921600

See 720p is alot closer to 10x7 then 12x10 so 10x7 is the best we have here for comparasion purposes.

So do you think that a card giving 53fps without vsync will suddenly get a heartattack with vsync?:?

But provided all the fuss with consoles optimization,unified hardware and blah blah they should be thrashing the likes of 7800 and X1900 cards but they dont.A 7800 or X1900 can run crysis with a mix of medium and high settings.I fail to see your fuss about this upgrading thing.

Do you need to upgrade regularly to keep playing games in high settings in high resolutions?Yes.Do you need to upgrade your 8800 to keep playing games above the level of ps3 and 360?Well NEVER.

And yes the fact that the 8800GS is a gen ahead of the consoles is one of the reasons why it will last long cuz it will have enough juice to play any multiplat on maxed settings until the next xbox comes.

And FYI i have an 8800GTS 640MB and i have had my card for 15 months now.It has maxed every single game except crysis so far at high resolutions with plenty of sweet AA:P .Why do you think that all of a sudden my card will stop playing games even in medium settings.And looking at 2008 i dont think i will have to play ANY game in medium settings so that will be 2 years of high settings gaming for you.