List of Revolutionary FPSs

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="jwsoul"] More specific blatantly you haven't played Thief or AVP then? AVP Added 3 Races to play as! One of the races allowed you to climb all over the walls and ceiling the other used technology like, cloak and infa Red Thief is a stealth FPS the first one ever as far as i know on top of that it was based around sword play and the Bow and Arrow. They both deserve to be up there.Mehdi1984

FPS games do have alot of stealth segments now though. That must have been down to theif. That trend has died off fairly quickly though, so it's difficult to say it counts. It's fairly minor as a revolution in game development, but it's still arguable that it did have a significant enough impact to be considered as such. It really depends where you want to draw the line between fairly influential and revolutionary. It's pretty close to either.

[QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"]

I love how console fans cry about not including halo because of what it did for consoles, well guess what I say if a game is the first to do something for ALL OF GAMING it is more important than doing something for a select few platforms.

Ek-Andy

But then what did any of these PC titles do for console gaming before the release of Halo? It dosn't matter, all these revolutionary titles for PC were revolutionary for the PC platform only at the time. Just as Halo:CE was revolutionary for console platforms at the time. Very few games are revolutionary for ALL OF GAMING, espically in terms of FPS. Havok (Half Life 2) and the very first FPS (Castle Wolfenstein 3D) come to mind. There are a few others, but revoluitions can occur within sections of larger sections.

I think you misunderstood me. I mean to say that these PC games did something that no other game did before it regardless of platform. These console game slargely brought features to console gaming that were already available in the gaming market on PC. Think of it like people giving more praise to someone that brings cars to a country that had no cars rather than praise to someone who invented the car to start with.

Tribes?

I'm tired of people not giving the Halo series the credit it deserves. I know it's cool to hate on the most popular thing, but this is ridiculous. Halo set the standard for console FPS controls. Halo made regenerating health a staple to the genre (and games in general, really). Halo was one of the first FPS's to use physics that altered the direction of gameplay. How you used the warthog could be the difference between winning and losing. Halo 2 brought all of this online. Halo 2's matchmaking is now a staple in online gaming. Halo 3's theater mode is just awesome. May not be the first game where you can save replays, but its implementation pushes the genre forward.Sooshy

Okay, now you're really pushing it. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. lol

A staple in online gaming? Is that why I'd rather use a server browser still?

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] Care to be more specifc? System Shock, I agree. Added.

DragonfireXZ95

cod 4 perk and ranking systems not qualify?

cod 4 perk and ranking systems not qualify?

jsmoke03

cod 4 perk and ranking systems not qualify?

jsmoke03

Ranking no but the perk system and the create a class were pretty fresh and new.

i dont care if people dont like halo now it deserves to be on that list and the second as well it was a big leap in online gaming on consoles i think. it did alot of firsts and games are still taking ideas from it.

Gen007

What did it do first and who is taking ideas from it???

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"]

I love how console fans cry about not including halo because of what it did for consoles, well guess what I say if a game is the first to do something for ALL OF GAMING it is more important than doing something for a select few platforms.

Jade_Monkey

But then what did any of these PC titles do for console gaming before the release of Halo? It dosn't matter, all these revolutionary titles for PC were revolutionary for the PC platform only at the time. Just as Halo:CE was revolutionary for console platforms at the time. Very few games are revolutionary for ALL OF GAMING, espically in terms of FPS. Havok (Half Life 2) and the very first FPS (Castle Wolfenstein 3D) come to mind. There are a few others, but revoluitions can occur within sections of larger sections.

I think you misunderstood me. I mean to say that these PC games did something that no other game did before it regardless of platform. These console game slargely brought features to console gaming that were already available in the gaming market on PC. Think of it like people giving more praise to someone that brings cars to a country that had no cars rather than praise to someone who invented the car to start with.

I think you're mistaking big innovation for revolution. Revolution is a big change to how things are done, which Halo:CE brought to game development on consoles. As such it's release was a revolution in game development on consoles. It deserves praise for the impact it brought, regardless of what other things deserve praise. It deserves to be on that list.

I believe Halo was the first to use the twin stick control scheme that well all know and love today.POJO_MOFO

I certanly don't love it so I guess we all don't love it do we ?

cod 4 perk and ranking systems not qualify?

I think you're mistaking big innovation for revolution. Revolution is a big change to how things are done, which Halo:CE brought to game development on consoles. As such it's release was a revolution in game development on consoles. It deserves praise for the impact it brought, regardless of what other things deserve praise. It deserves to be on that list.

Ek-Andy

So were praising impact now are we ? The plague in Europe hundreds of years ago had a pretty big impact, should we praise it ? Consolites have very little claim to fame so they have to take what others have done and call it new.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

I think you're mistaking big innovation for revolution. Revolution is a big change to how things are done, which Halo:CE brought to game development on consoles. As such it's release was a revolution in game development on consoles. It deserves praise for the impact it brought, regardless of what other things deserve praise. It deserves to be on that list.

Jade_Monkey

So were praising impact now are we ? The plague in Europe hundreds of years ago had a pretty big impact, should we praise it ? Consolites have very little claim to fame so they have to take what others have done and call it new.

I don't think you quite get this. Were praising revolution, the act of causing a large impact and changing the way things are done from that moment on, the plague wasn't a revolution, it killed alot of people, but it didn't change the way things were done. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about revolutionary concepts. I have said this 3 times in this thread, and I will say it one more time Innovation =/= revolution, not by a long shot. Look at the topic title and there is your answer as to why a game that had a large impact like Halo:CE deserves to be on this list whether you actually like it or not.

I didn't play Deus Ex, I know, big mistake! Destructible environments is not only about added physics, it fundamentally changes the gameplay and creates lots of unscripted moments. Example: the other day I was playing Warhead (on Delta). I entered an enemy camp undetected, climbed a ladder to a sniping position and started sniping away. Suddenly an unnoticed APC enters the scene, launches a rocket at me and before I know it the entire structure collapses with me inside! I got so disoriented that I died slightly afterward! If Crysis is not considered revolutionary because of these things than I don't know how HL2 can. As someone said before that game is great but it basically is HL1 + gravity gun (and dumber AI). Also, it features some overly looong and boooring parts.nunovlopes

Maybe it's because I played HL1 10 years after it came out but I found the AI on it pretty dumb.

Im not sure why but Crysis just didn't grip me like the other games on the list. I think it should be there for the graphics and physics however as these are still the best in the biz and have literally set the benchmark for current gen fps.

I think what crysis lacked was the feel of impending doom and the feeling of being in a warzone not knowing where to turn, the typical scenario is walking around to your objective (while gasping and asking yourself if you got transported into a film) and encountering small groups of far from amazin A.I. soldiers.

my list=

goldeneye 007- first multiplayer full 3d rendhaered fps on consoles that were a success also the first movie based game that is actually good,

perfect dark-improved goldeneye007

hALF LIFE any

timesplitters-introduced a map maker, simple but it introduced it , to consoles,

timesplitters 3 -push the series even further, vehicles

red steel -first to use motion sensing,, also good launch title for a nintendo console since n64

, what did halo do again? i dont get it, people expect a list of halo games ftw,

all it did was copy goldeneye/pd formula and twist it,

Halo should be on that list.

[QUOTE="POJO_MOFO"]Halo:Combat Evolved, i mean it has "Combat Evolved" right in the the name!!!! j/k, but seriously, I believe Halo was the first to use the twin stick control scheme that well all know and love today. idk if that deems it "revolutionary" but it certainly was influencial, FPS were mostly PC based until Halo showed that you could make a good one on a consoleMehdi1984

Halo should be on that list.

nmaharg

my list=

goldeneye 007- first multiplayer full 3d rendhaered fps on consoles that were a success also the first movie based game that is actually good,

perfect dark-improved goldeneye007

hALF LIFE any

timesplitters-introduced a map maker, simple but it introduced it , to consoles,

timesplitters 3 -push the series even further, vehicles

red steel -first to use motion sensing,, also good launch title for a nintendo console since n64

, what did halo do again? i dont get it, people expect a list of halo games ftw,

all it did was copy goldeneye/pd formula and twist it,

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

Halo should be on that list.

clembo1990

It's a great list, but you're missing Crysis. I can't believe no one mentioned it yet! Here's what it brings to the table: 1. Do-it-yourself gameplay! You can play the game as pure stealth, pure action or something in between. And you can change it on-the-fly by switching nanosuit functions or customizing your weapons. 2. Destructible environments that you can use to your advantage. Basically the game takes what HL2 did to a new level. Also, the gameplay fundamentally changes because you're never really safe, you can't just hide behind a tree or something, most likely the tree will fall on you due to enemy fire! These 2 "small" things mean that every single gamer will enjoy a different experience, which in my mind is a HUGE evolutionary step when it comes to the FPS genre. Finally, a word about graphics: this game is from 2007 and NO game still equals it, let alone surpass it.nunovlopes

Crysis is extremely overrated btw.

Im not sure why but Crysis just didn't grip me like the other games on the list. I think it should be there for the graphics and physics however as these are still the best in the biz and have literally set the benchmark for current gen fps.

I think what crysis lacked was the feel of impending doom and the feeling of being in a warzone not knowing where to turn, the typical scenario is walking around to your objective (while gasping and asking yourself if you got transported into a film) and encountering small groups of far from amazin A.I. soldiers.

n4styg1t

[QUOTE="n4styg1t"]

Im not sure why but Crysis just didn't grip me like the other games on the list. I think it should be there for the graphics and physics however as these are still the best in the biz and have literally set the benchmark for current gen fps.

I think what crysis lacked was the feel of impending doom and the feeling of being in a warzone not knowing where to turn, the typical scenario is walking around to your objective (while gasping and asking yourself if you got transported into a film) and encountering small groups of far from amazin A.I. soldiers.

nunovlopes

Have you played Far Cry ? Far Cry was harder on Normal than Crysis or Warhead on Delta.

[QUOTE="n4styg1t"]

Im not sure why but Crysis just didn't grip me like the other games on the list. I think it should be there for the graphics and physics however as these are still the best in the biz and have literally set the benchmark for current gen fps.

I think what crysis lacked was the feel of impending doom and the feeling of being in a warzone not knowing where to turn, the typical scenario is walking around to your objective (while gasping and asking yourself if you got transported into a film) and encountering small groups of far from amazin A.I. soldiers.

nunovlopes

No actually I need to get warhead asap!

If Unreal Tournament or Quake 3 Arena were on there I would agree 10000%

If Unreal Tournament or Quake 3 Arena were on there I would agree 10000%

DeckardLee

Well they didn't really revolutinize online gaming. Quake 2 did that. They made it much more popular though.

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="POJO_MOFO"]Halo:Combat Evolved, i mean it has "Combat Evolved" right in the the name!!!! j/k, but seriously, I believe Halo was the first to use the twin stick control scheme that well all know and love today. idk if that deems it "revolutionary" but it certainly was influencial, FPS were mostly PC based until Halo showed that you could make a good one on a consolePOJO_MOFO

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"][QUOTE="n4styg1t"]

Im not sure why but Crysis just didn't grip me like the other games on the list. I think it should be there for the graphics and physics however as these are still the best in the biz and have literally set the benchmark for current gen fps.

I think what crysis lacked was the feel of impending doom and the feeling of being in a warzone not knowing where to turn, the typical scenario is walking around to your objective (while gasping and asking yourself if you got transported into a film) and encountering small groups of far from amazin A.I. soldiers.

Jade_Monkey

Have you played Far Cry ? Far Cry was harder on Normal than Crysis or Warhead on Delta.

No, I didn't play Far Cry, but I wasn't claiming that Crysis is very hard, I actually found the game not that hard even in Delta. I was just pointing out the fact that, on Delta, the AI is pretty good and I somewhat had the feeling of "impending doom".nunovlopes

Man after beating Far Cry Crysis was a breeze on Delta.

Deus Ex

Wofenstein 3D

DOOM

Quake 1

System Shock

Half Life

Counter Strike

Tribes

Battlefield 1942

Half Life 2

Crysis

Stalker

COD 1 on PC

There you have it!

[QUOTE="DeckardLee"]

If Unreal Tournament or Quake 3 Arena were on there I would agree 10000%

Jade_Monkey

Well they didn't really revolutinize online gaming. Quake 2 did that. They made it much more popular though.

I find Quake1 much more revolutionary then quake 2 was personally.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]It's a great list, but you're missing Crysis. I can't believe no one mentioned it yet! Here's what it brings to the table: 1. Do-it-yourself gameplay! You can play the game as pure stealth, pure action or something in between. And you can change it on-the-fly by switching nanosuit functions or customizing your weapons. 2. Destructible environments that you can use to your advantage. Basically the game takes what HL2 did to a new level. Also, the gameplay fundamentally changes because you're never really safe, you can't just hide behind a tree or something, most likely the tree will fall on you due to enemy fire! These 2 "small" things mean that every single gamer will enjoy a different experience, which in my mind is a HUGE evolutionary step when it comes to the FPS genre. Finally, a word about graphics: this game is from 2007 and NO game still equals it, let alone surpass it.swazidoughman

Crysis is extremely overrated btw.

Probably someone who hasnt played Crysis or Crysis Warhead at all :roll:

What did HL1 do?Zero5000X

Well, when HL1 was out most FPS games where quake type shooters.

HL1 has a structured plot with characters, and gameplay was never interrupted with a cut scene.

But the main thing is that it did all those things really well.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]It's a great list, but you're missing Crysis. I can't believe no one mentioned it yet! Here's what it brings to the table: 1. Do-it-yourself gameplay! You can play the game as pure stealth, pure action or something in between. And you can change it on-the-fly by switching nanosuit functions or customizing your weapons. 2. Destructible environments that you can use to your advantage. Basically the game takes what HL2 did to a new level. Also, the gameplay fundamentally changes because you're never really safe, you can't just hide behind a tree or something, most likely the tree will fall on you due to enemy fire! These 2 "small" things mean that every single gamer will enjoy a different experience, which in my mind is a HUGE evolutionary step when it comes to the FPS genre. Finally, a word about graphics: this game is from 2007 and NO game still equals it, let alone surpass it.kozzy1234

Crysis is extremely overrated btw.

Probably someone who hasnt played Crysis or Crysis Warhead at all :roll:

I have played Crysis, and was not really impressed.

But I have not played Warhead.

>^ I think Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight was forgotened by everbody.

Force powers + light sabers = fun.

Also the TC also forgot UT 99 (mutators, customisable A.I.), AVP and Thief (it brought stealth to shooters).

How is HL2 more revolutionary than Halo:CE?

How is HL2 more revolutionary than Halo:CE?

kunggustaf

Take your Halo 3 case, look at the back, and the answer will be there. Half Life 2 even had a significant impact on Halo 3. If you don't know what I mean have a look at your other games and see if you spot any similarities. I don't actually think HL 2 by it's self is revolutionary, but the technology used to design it is. Halo:CE should be on that list though.

Each of these brought something dramatically new, and expanded the FPS genre. I would be shocked if there is a title missing from here. *flameshield on*

In order:

Wofenstein 3D

DOOM

Quake 2

System Shock

Golden Eye

Half Life

Deus Ex

Counter Strike

Tribes

Battlefield 1942

Half Life 2

I'm sure this is going to bring a lot of flaming, but let's be realistic. No other FPS games outside the one's listed above, revolutionized the FPS genre and expanded it in a significant way. If you want clarification on any these titles, just ask if you really don't know. If you think a title is missing from the list, please feel free to say so... but chances are, it's probably not revolutionary.

Mehdi1984

Operation Flashpoint

World War II Online (MMOFPS released in 2001)

Except for bringing console FPS to the masses, i admit goldeneye did this first but after goldeneye and perfect dark we had what? I can't think of anything till red faction. What have we had since Halo? Bucket loads of FPS.

Halo also proved a console fps can be just as good as a PC FPS, despite what the local nerds on here would have you believe. It also brought console FPS to the competitive world.

It did a lot, you just choose to ignore it. Even with that said, the amount of fame and it's populairty alone demands a place on any list.

CreepyBacon

Halo:CE had a massive impact on console FPS games, that is revolutionary, it completely changed the way FPS games were designed on consoles.Ek-Andy

It made console shooters what they are. Before Halo no one was even thinking about console FPS. It is revolutionary for console gaming. I don't care what you try and say. The controls alone made it revolutionary. First time i hopped in a warthog and felt how well it controlled I thought I was in heaven. The controller was just way too big back then, and the black and white buttons were hard to hit.nmaharg

Operation Flashpoint

World War II Online (MMOFPS released in 2001)

mirautaj

I would give it to both of those as well. Little known games in SW that haven't had great impact but only now the scale of those old games is being reached and the potential is being utilized in games

Truely both of those titles were far ahead of their times. Even with all of the bugs of WWII Online and the really dated AI of Operation Flashpoint, they are landmarks that many future titles will follow.

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"]

Each of these brought something dramatically new, and expanded the FPS genre. I would be shocked if there is a title missing from here. *flameshield on*

In order:

Wofenstein 3D

DOOM

Quake 2

System Shock

Golden Eye

Half Life

Deus Ex

Counter Strike

Tribes

Battlefield 1942

Half Life 2

I'm sure this is going to bring a lot of flaming, but let's be realistic. No other FPS games outside the one's listed above, revolutionized the FPS genre and expanded it in a significant way. If you want clarification on any these titles, just ask if you really don't know. If you think a title is missing from the list, please feel free to say so... but chances are, it's probably not revolutionary.

mirautaj

Operation Flashpoint

World War II Online (MMOFPS released in 2001)

So, what exactly did it change? I mean how many MMOFPS games are there now?