LMAO Skyrim is freaking terrible!

I agree with you but dont forget that hype and marketing moving the sheep in this world including video games. You see mediocre games that offering one of the same doing epicly good in sales and in reception in general from gamers and media just because coming from very popular developers or publishers ( check Diablo3 , Destiny and many more are fine examples.

So sometimes you need to see games of what they really are , what they offering versus all others games in same genres and so many other things to consider it great imho.

All in all im in for metacritic average myself but i think industry is moving most out of loyalty and marketing other actually quality.

Look how PAth of exile excels in every single aspect for its genre vs Diablo 3 yet Diablo 3 made record sales and scored great in every site.

Check how destiny considered a crap when its rival WARFRAME did literally everything better for free yet destiny managed to sell well and having bigger population and reception.

Rename Heroes of the storm to whatever name and release it under other publisher than Blizzard and let me know how many of Blizzard fanboys would even bother with it praising it as the best moba ever etc. Do the same for games like Hearthstone and Diablo 3 and tell me if those games would have scored as good or would ever have tens of millions owners.

We all know that they wouldnt. And thats where marketing , brand loyalty, nostalgia and hype comes in.

Gamers and everyone should think out of the box for once imho. Not only for video games but for everything that is out there. Thats what i think. Be open minded about the game you suppose you want to spend money on and let your logic , taste and point of view dictate if you really like something and not if its a Blizzard game or Sony game or theres huge hype around it in media or youre a fanboy blabla.

Still better than 100% of your trash posts/topics

Oh look topic 1,354 of "let's talk about how shit Skyrim is", when in reality it's one of the most successful games. You don't like it cool no one gives a ****.

@Ballroompirate: The fact you're bumping my thread and throwing a fit proves you're wrong.

Throwing a fit? lol nah I enjoying calling out dumbasses

@Ballroompirate: Well yeah you're all swearing and bitching. Just don't respond to the thread. Not only you won't give activity to a topic you dislike but you'll also avoid looking like an idiot. Win-win.

Morrowind combat really wasn't that bad for the time it was released. I don't know what you expected playing later Elder Scrolls games then going back to a really old one of course it will seem dated. That said, Morrowind can be modded heavily to update it to a huge degree if you spend some time going through mods. Even the combat can be 'fixed' with mods.

In fact most of the Elder Scrolls hate on this thread I suspect is coming from people who played Oblivion and/or Skyrim on console where the endless amateurish drudgery is built into the games and can not be addressed.

If someone acts like a dumbass, I'm calling them a dumbass, also shit isn't against the tos/censor word anymore so I don't GAF. Also it's hard to make myself look stupid when I don't make threads bashing -insert highly praised game and call it terrible- which if it was terrible, then it would be terrible but a game that has sold over 20 million copies is I don't know about you or your absurd out of this world definition of "terrible",but Skyrim is not terrible, hey you don't like it good for here's a shiny sticker that says "I'm special". It must just get your panties in a bunch when you see someone praise Skyrim, ether that or you like to troll people which I wouldn't be calling someone a idiot if I made a thread trying to troll people.

So yea pretend you think you pissed me off somehow when in reality, I LOVE calling out dumbasses who think they are the shit, I do this crap 8 hours a day at work.

What year is this

So you're basically telling me I shouldn't have an opinion that disagrees with the masses and if I disagree with them and voice said opinion, I'm an idiot? I'm a dumbass because I think Skyrim is a terrible game, correct? Never mind the fact I gave reasons in the OP and plenty others have agreed and elaborated upon these reasons . Since reviews highly praised that game and it sold a lot, anybody daring to think it's a bad game is a fool who should shut the hell up? I should just follow the herd, think the game is good or shut my trap and forfeit my right to freedom of speech. That's what I got from your post.

I don't see how anyone can defend a bland lifeless open world, a shallow story and terrible combat.

I want those 30 hours of my life back.

Kinda like hanging out here in GS. I want my brain cells back. But, it's not going to happen. ;)

The problem is the concept is just hard to do, where persistence of everything matters and is memory intensive. Even if they rewrite the engine, unless the design the game without as much persistence then similar issues will arise with a very high probability.

Solving issues with the current engine is far more productive.

@Gallowhand: Great post dude. Same here, couldn't really get into Witcher. Had great times with Bethesda's games.

And that's why we have mods.

Nice atmosphere though

I noticed it like 7 or so years ago. Boring game, dull combat.

Most of us actually play on PC with mods, we just call it like we sees it. A spade is a spade, even if it's a broken down piece of shite. Lol

Me, for example, I mod the hell out of Bethesda games. I went back to Morrowind and did the same thing. And yes, the combat did kind of suck, and it was fixed with mods, but I'll still talk about how crappy it was. Same with how crappy the combat, dialogue, story, characters, graphics, etc. are in the newer Bethesda games like Skyrim and Fallout 4.

Much of it can be fixed, but the dialogue and story is something that modders won't bother to work on. They'll just create their own quests and stories, which is understandable, after all. That doesn't mean that many of us don't already mod the shit out of it, though.

Best mods for shit like Oblivion/Skyrim (and the only way I'd go near these games) are the complete overhaul ones like Nehrim, Requiem & Enderal.

Skyrim isn't a shit game by any stretch of imagination. The only problem with the game is that there have been more recent games which did individual aspects of Skyrim better. Souls games have basically almost perfected a combat system for open world games (not trying to get into the semantics of open world here). Witcher 3 almost perfected the side/main quest system for an open world game. Witcher 3 and Horizon Zero Dawn both set a new bar for facial animations. Horizon Zero Dawn set quite a high bar for open world encounters.

After experiencing the best of what the aforementioned games have to offer, I can see why people today will feel like Skyrim is just a mediocre jack-of-all-trades. It has all the ingredients of what a good game needs, but never excels in any one of them in particular.

Apples and Oranges comparing Dark Souls combat to Elder Scrolls.

That would be like directly comparing First Person Shooters to 3rd Person shooters...

People need to remember that Elder Scrolls is first and foremost a 1st person perspective game with a barely functioning 3rd person. I never want that to change, I want far more strides to perfect 1st Person combat, its simply more immersive imo.

But yea, I see the overall point.

Some games age and get worse over time.

When it released I probably would have given it 9/10. Maybe higher in 2011.

In 2017, I find it more of a 8/10 game. Better games like Witcher 3 came out and now going back to Skyrim 6 years later is hard.

I got through the opening and turned it off. I just didn't feel like exploring.

Bethesda is like Naughty Dog they release the same shit to critical acclaim no matter how bad the game is

@tibua: At least Naughty Dog games work.

Yep Skyrim is fucking terrible. But I'm sure you'll find plenty of dudes that don't get haircuts to tell you different.

At least Bethesda's games have gameplay.

If you are into Bethesda games, you are there to be immersed in a big world that feels lived-in. It's about exploring.

But yes, to be fair, Bethesda games have some of the worst writing in video games. A lot of that is the challenge of getting all that done while the devs focus is so heavily on the world. It's also easier to make a well-contained set piece when the game is small and the experience is tightly controlled. It's also true that their writers don't have much skill. There aren't great themes going on, and the characters are pretty flat.

I still love the open world genre above all others. I recognize the limitations in all the games in this genre. They are as the cliche goes, "jack of all trades and a master of none", but imo there is an emergent quality that appears with all these diverse elements blended together.

They should hire New Vegas writers.

Combat is lacking like any Bethesda game but it has a great story.

@Juub1990: I agree with what you said, but still love skyrim.

I can get so immersed into the world, and at times it's so bad it's actaully good :)

No. No, it doesn't. Lol It's passable at best, but nowhere near great.

What? The story is complete shit lol. The plot isn't actually terrible but Bethesda's writers are a bunch of amateurs.

The lore books are actually very good and a few of the side quests in particular directly tie into them quite well.

There's a quest regarding revisionist history and actual history that is quite exceptional, better than anything in the Witcher.

And honestly, anyone shitting on it's combat while praising the Witcher 1, 2 or 3 are either deluded or hypocritical.

Skyrim has some sensible design. If you want to apply a poison potion for example, you can pause the game.

In the Witcher 1/2 you have to prepare before it, for specific creatures using the power of Nostradamus, or dying and loading up again. It's stupid. Bethesda realized this, CDP didn't.

Never praised The Witcher's combat which I think is mediocre at best and bad at worst.

I didn't cite you specifically. Anyone (and they do) will bark to the heavens about The Witcher while refusing to give Skyrim an inch.

Typical gamer nonsense.

Yeah, that's what I meant. The plot is passable at best. The writing itself is just downright atrocious. We're agreed there.

Most of the characters are really funny, too(not in the haha way). Like, one of them refuses to do something, and then all of a sudden they do a 180 and go along with whatever it is you want without any actual recourse. They actually remind me of the characters in the movie The Room.

Skyrim is playable with mods, but Steam's unauthorized updates ruined all mods compatibility with every their needless update. Therefore I left any attempts to finish the game. ) Currently Steam is blocked on my firewall, but I never return to Skyrim. Just being lazy. )

You just set it to update manually(when game is launched) in Steam and then only ever launch it using SKSE or F4SE for Fallout 4. Of course, you can't do that with the special edition since the script extender isn't out yet, but this works. I'm currently doing this for Fallout 4 since I don't want their stupid creation club update to break F4SE.

Skyrim is like a popular band...

They are good, maybe overplayed/over hyped....they don't suck but some people like to be contrary and not enjoy because most others do

If you think Skyrim is terrible you haven't played any terrible games

Let's not do that today.

***slow clap*** You hit the nail on the head with this response. I tried playing the Witcher games too, wasn't a fan either.

I loved it at the time and beat it on PC and 360 and was 1 achievement away from perfect score. I dont mind the bugs in a huge open world RPG.

@DragonfireXZ95:

Steam perform updates anyway. The only way to deny steam - is to block it using firewall. )

I played it for the first time fairly recently. Maybe a year ago. It was pretty awesome imo. Sure it's rough around the edges, but what it aims to do well, it does very well.

Nah.

Oh wow someone dug up a 3 year old thread. A true relic of the past.

What a sad life someone lives when they save threads from 3 years ago.

This thread is so old it had charizard1605 in it, whatever happened to him?