Lol Jeff Gertsmann!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Originality, alongside merit of the music itself. The music in SSBB is totally functional for the job its given, but its not far and beyond the other soundtracks out there like everyone else is trying to say. The music in SSBB is a lot of rehashed stuff with only a very small number of memorable new material. To compare it to music composed by the Philharmonic Orchestra is simply a disservice.Grive

To compare it as music, which is what you're doing, is a disservice. I cannot agree with your more in this.

To compare it as a soundtrack, however, we're talking about a completely different monster here. The best fully original composition the philharmonic orchestra could compose could (and I believe would likely) be a worse choice against, say, the unmodified 1-1 stage midi sounds of super mario bros if what you're attempting to do is basically a metamphetamined, frenzied homage to all those nintendo games of yore.

the SSBB soundtrack is totally appropriate, but to call it the best soundtrack ever is silly.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

i understand, but these soundtracks shouldn't even be compared... the SotC soundtrack is almost epic, while the SSBB soundtrack is fun. not to say there is anything wrong with "fun" but it just serves a whole different purpose, and should not be compared. its like comparing the Godfather to Bad Boys 2.

madvalocity5

I don't separate video games soundtracks into sections.>_> If the soundtrack has awesome music, then I conside it to be awesome. To me SotC and SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever.

its all about context... lots of things are awesome, chicken pot pie is awesome, but its not the greatest food ever.

What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post? And it not like I conside every soundtrack awesome. The ones I conside awesome, or better are soundtracks that I truly love to listen too, and sure to remember for a long while(SotC and SSBB for example).

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]Hey, if you don't like it, no point in arguing, just dont diss the sountrack cause you dont like itMarth6781

Funny how you defend he opinion of Jeff, yet since you think you know music soo much, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

please stop posting.

one day SW will make my head explode. reading comprehension round here is just too low.

he never said anyone was wrong. Thats how it comes into it. You pulled the previous statement out of thin air.

The majority of Smash fans don't like other fighters so why are they so suprised that one reviewer gives it an 8? You guys aren't aren't attracted to games like KOF, SFIII, Tekken, VF, SC, ect. So what makes you think that everyone is going to like a Fighter in Smash Brawl just the same as you guys do?Blackbond

Jeff Failed as a Reviewer because System Wars Fanboys!!!!!!!! OHHHHHMYYYYYYGODDDDDD /FREAKOUT

9.5 is unfitting that is saying I should go buy this game when In fact I have never liked SSB before so what is supposed to change my mind about this game. I prefer Street Fighter.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

i understand, but these soundtracks shouldn't even be compared... the SotC soundtrack is almost epic, while the SSBB soundtrack is fun. not to say there is anything wrong with "fun" but it just serves a whole different purpose, and should not be compared. its like comparing the Godfather to Bad Boys 2.

Wanderer5

I don't separate video games soundtracks into sections.>_> If the soundtrack has awesome music, then I conside it to be awesome. To me SotC and SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever.

its all about context... lots of things are awesome, chicken pot pie is awesome, but its not the greatest food ever.

What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post? And it not like I conside every soundtrack awesome. The one I conside awesome, or better are soundtrack that I truly love, and sure to remember for a long while(SotC and SSBB for example).

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]The majority of Smash fans don't like other fighters so why are they so suprised that one reviewer gives it an 8? You guys aren't aren't attracted to games like KOF, SFIII, Tekken, VF, SC, ect. So what makes you think that everyone is going to like a Fighter in Smash Brawl just the same as you guys do?Can-o-Mark

To be fair, it not counted on Gamerankings, so it not like his review is going to count.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]Hey, if you don't like it, no point in arguing, just dont diss the sountrack cause you dont like it6matt6

Funny how you defend he opinion of Jeff, yet since you think you know music soo much, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

please stop posting.

one day SW will make my head explode. reading comprehension round here is just too low.

he never said anyone was wrong. Thats how it comes into it. You pulled the previous statement out of thin air.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]The majority of Smash fans don't like other fighters so why are they so suprised that one reviewer gives it an 8? You guys aren't aren't attracted to games like KOF, SFIII, Tekken, VF, SC, ect. So what makes you think that everyone is going to like a Fighter in Smash Brawl just the same as you guys do?Wanderer5

To be fair, it not counted on Gamerankings, so it not like his review is going to count.

ZOMG what if it counted!!!!?!?? How dare Jeff bring down the overall score of SSBB down a .01 of a percent!!!

boy, thank goodness it doesnt count on gamerankings... which funnily enough doesn't even count here.

we dodged a bullet guy.

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

madvalocity5

One of the best=/=the best, there is a difference there, and that fine that you don't think it one of the best, but to me it is.

Don't really care about his opinionLonelynight

neither do I. I really didn't like him much when he was at Gamespot and after the whole K&L thing people turned him in to a hero.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]The majority of Smash fans don't like other fighters so why are they so suprised that one reviewer gives it an 8? You guys aren't aren't attracted to games like KOF, SFIII, Tekken, VF, SC, ect. So what makes you think that everyone is going to like a Fighter in Smash Brawl just the same as you guys do?Vandalvideo

To be fair, it not counted on Gamerankings, so it not like his review is going to count.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

Wanderer5

One of the best=/=the best, there is a difference there, and that fine that you don't think it one of the best, but to me it is.

Isn't the soundtrack merely the totality of the music in the game? How can you not take into consideration the merit of the music itself when speaking about the soundtrack?Vandalvideo

Because I'm not listening to the soundrack in my CD player wearking a smoking jacket with a glass of cognac in one hand and a cigar in the other, like I would while listening to Beethoven. (Alright, I wouldn't wear a smoking jacket, but you get the idea).

Because a soundtrack's job is not necessarily (and not usually) to be an exemplary exponent of human achievement - but to be part of the overall package. A simplistic, mediocre song that fits the rest of the scene is superior to the most intrincate, beautifully composed song in the world that doesn't fit.

the SSBB soundtrack is totally appropriate, but to call it the best soundtrack ever is silly.

madvalocity5

I'm not the one calling it the best -as music-, though I do believe it's the most appropiate score the game could have. Thus, it's the best soundtrack this game could have, which could make it arguably the best soundtrack.

[QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

Wanderer5

One of the best=/=the best, there is a difference there, and that fine that you don't think it one of the best, but to me it is.

well its all opinions man, thats why im typing this, and you're typing that ^^. this is a given.

true, one of the best isnt the best. but its gotta be real low on that "one of the best list" since there are so many soundtracks better.

Because I'm not listening to the soundrack in my CD player wearking a smoking jacket with a glass of cognac in one hand and a cigar in the other, like I would while listening to Beethoven. (Alright, I wouldn't wear a smoking jacket, but you get the idea). Because a soundtrack's job is not necessarily (and not usually) to be an exemplary exponent of human achievement - but to be part of the overall package. A simplistic, mediocre song that fits the rest of the scene is superior to the most intrincate, beautifully composed song in the world that doesn't fit.Grive

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

madvalocity5

One of the best=/=the best, there is a difference there, and that fine that you don't think it one of the best, but to me it is.

well its all opinions man, thats why im typing this, and you're typing that ^^. this is a given.

true, one of the best isnt the best. but its gotta be real low on that "one of the best list" since there are so many soundtracks better.

How can it be real low? When you say that, it sound like you still going to bash my opinion.>_>

And you can state your opinion all you want. If you compare the music based on merit, which is an objective way to look at it, the soundtrack is not one of the best.Vandalvideo

It's objective, but it's also useless, unless you're interested in purchasing the soundtrack CD... which isn't the case discussed.

I'm so glad that fanboy got fired.

He gave this game a 4/5 to get hits for his new crappy website.

Truth is, he was never a really good reviewer, and always a bit of a MS fanboy. The only reason we even care or know about him and his site is:

A. He's controversial to grab attention.

B. He got fired for it.

Also, "he gets paid"?

No, he pays himself with his new sites advertisement, that you are checking out because your Nintendo-haters looking to marginalize Brawl, he is trying to draw in that audience. He wants you to post over there instead of here.

If you really like Jeff so much, you should go join his website and support him, and stop supporting the site that fired him for his shoddy and unethical reviews.

I'm sure in your little world "gamespot evil corp" are the bad guys, but in the real world, Jeff was a rogue employee who deserved to be fired, and couldn't be kept on due to his behavior past and present. He wants to streach out his 15 minutes as much as he can, and will continue to do with with every big game release that drops on a Sony or Nintendo system, because he knows that's what'll get fanboys riled, and haters excited. He wants you to reject gamespot so giantbomb will get bigger.

However, giantbomb isn't even averaged on gamerankings or weighted on metacritic. Gamespot is here to stay ladies and gentlement, let us hope that this attention-whore, Jeff, is not.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And you can state your opinion all you want. If you compare the music based on merit, which is an objective way to look at it, the soundtrack is not one of the best.Grive

It's objective, but it's also useless, unless you're interested in purchasing the soundtrack CD... which isn't the case discussed.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"] Im pretty sure the review is up, since its not in bold it doesnt count.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Isn't the soundtrack merely the totality of the music in the game? How can you not take into consideration the merit of the music itself when speaking about the soundtrack?Grive

Because I'm not listening to the soundrack in my CD player wearking a smoking jacket with a glass of cognac in one hand and a cigar in the other, like I would while listening to Beethoven. (Alright, I wouldn't wear a smoking jacket, but you get the idea).

Because a soundtrack's job is not necessarily (and not usually) to be an exemplary exponent of human achievement - but to be part of the overall package. A simplistic, mediocre song that fits the rest of the scene is superior to the most intrincate, beautifully composed song in the world that doesn't fit.

the SSBB soundtrack is totally appropriate, but to call it the best soundtrack ever is silly.

madvalocity5

I'm not the one calling it the best -as music-, though I do believe it's the most appropiate score the game could have. Thus, it's the best soundtrack this game could have, which could make it arguably the best soundtrack.

see, when you do that... arguably devil may cry is the best soundtrack because the techno music really gets you pumped while killing demons... in fact, i can name hundreds of games that by your logic have "arguably the best soundtrack".

The point is, that a majority of decent games have soundtracks that do an amazing job of enhancing the game... but you have to step back and also judge what that music is in order to make claims of the greatest soundtrack.

thats why its called a soundtrack... its not the game, its the music for the game, therefore, it has to be judged both within the game and on its own.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Don't really care about his opinion_Pedro_

neither do I. I really didn't like him much when he was at Gamespot and after the whole K&L thing people turned him in to a hero.

Same, I keep reminding people that he was reasponsible for a number of shoddy reviews and was probably in on the whole company buying reviews thing until K+L. Now that has passed they make him sound like a hero, when most likely he was part of it.

[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And you can state your opinion all you want. If you compare the music based on merit, which is an objective way to look at it, the soundtrack is not one of the best.Vandalvideo

It's objective, but it's also useless, unless you're interested in purchasing the soundtrack CD... which isn't the case discussed.

Then if the remixes are great, then it can be worth getting.

[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And you can state your opinion all you want. If you compare the music based on merit, which is an objective way to look at it, the soundtrack is not one of the best.Vandalvideo

It's objective, but it's also useless, unless you're interested in purchasing the soundtrack CD... which isn't the case discussed.

Then if the remixes are great, then it can be worth getting.Wanderer5

And, like I said, the soundtrack for the game is able to meet the requirements and help the game along, but to say its one of the best soundtracks ever you HAVE TO take into consideration the actual merit of the music itself.Vandalvideo

No, you don't, unless you find another game in which the soundtrack fits as well, then you should look into the music's standalone merits. In that case, you're right.

It's pretty simple: In a soundrack, musical merits are secondary.

You're all obsessed with scores. Here's an idea: actually read the review instead of just looking at the score. There's no way you can tell if you should buy a game by just looking at the score. But I guess you people don't care about actually buying games anymore, all you care about is 'ownage'.

IMO Jeff's review of SSBB is the best I have read, it sums up everything you need to know about the game concisely and eloquently. And unlike a certain other review, he doesn't factually contradict himself within the space of two paragraphs.

Because of their score system, Giant Bomb is always going to be a site for gamers, not system warriors.

chutup

Here's an idea then: let's just have no scores at all! Those are the kind of reviews I like. :)

Then you should've waited for the official soundtrack to be released?Can-o-Mark

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="madvalocity5"]

"What the "it the greatest" part have to do with my post?"

let me answer this... with another one of your quotes... "SSBB are truly some of the best videogame soundtrack ever."

i'm sure you love it, hell i love it. its great. but it's just not fitting to label it one of the best ever. its not... even close.

Vandalvideo

One of the best=/=the best, there is a difference there, and that fine that you don't think it one of the best, but to me it is.

Welp, IGN says in the video review is has the best soundtrack ever in a videogame. I happen to agree. This game has the best and most encompassing sountrack ever. That's how opinions work. On "merit" the music is the best ever compiled.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And, like I said, the soundtrack for the game is able to meet the requirements and help the game along, but to say its one of the best soundtracks ever you HAVE TO take into consideration the actual merit of the music itself.Grive

No, you don't, unless you find another game in which the soundtrack fits as well, then you should look into the music's standalone merits. In that case, you're right.

It's pretty simple: In a soundrack, musical merits are secondary.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]Then you should've waited for the official soundtrack to be released?Vandalvideo

Welp, IGN says in the video review is has the best soundtrack ever in a videogame. I happen to agree. This game has the best and most encompassing sountrack ever. That's how opinions work. On "merit" the music is the best ever compiled.Zenfoldor

[QUOTE="chutup"]

You're all obsessed with scores. Here's an idea: actually read the review instead of just looking at the score. There's no way you can tell if you should buy a game by just looking at the score. But I guess you people don't care about actually buying games anymore, all you care about is 'ownage'.

IMO Jeff's review of SSBB is the best I have read, it sums up everything you need to know about the game concisely and eloquently. And unlike a certain other review, he doesn't factually contradict himself within the space of two paragraphs.

Because of their score system, Giant Bomb is always going to be a site for gamers, not system warriors.

wapahala

Here's an idea then: let's just have no scores at all! Those are the kind of reviews I like. :)

Scores I like are those that aren't generically low and controversial with the aim being to get more page hits and advertising revenue.

[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And, like I said, the soundtrack for the game is able to meet the requirements and help the game along, but to say its one of the best soundtracks ever you HAVE TO take into consideration the actual merit of the music itself.Vandalvideo

No, you don't, unless you find another game in which the soundtrack fits as well, then you should look into the music's standalone merits. In that case, you're right.

It's pretty simple: In a soundrack, musical merits are secondary.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]Then you should've waited for the official soundtrack to be released?Can-o-Mark

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]Then if the remixes are great, then it can be worth getting.Vandalvideo

Well good for you. If you don't think the remixes were great then that fine. However don't call my opinion wrong or even silly, because I do like the remixes, and with the new music(which are great too), that enough for me to say it one of the best.

English is not my first language, what's musical merit?Can-o-Mark

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"]He didn't even mention the outstanding soundtrack. I just can't believe that people are actually agreeing with this review. He left so many stuff out.Can-o-Mark

Even if it mostly remixes, the soundtrack is still outstanding.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]Then you should've waited for the official soundtrack to be released?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"]Then if the remixes are great, then it can be worth getting.Wanderer5

Well good for you. If you don't the remixes were great then that fine. However don't call my opinion wrong or even silly, because I do like the remixes, and with the new music(which are great too), that enough for me to say it one of the best.

I can't see a fault in his review, he doen't bash it unfairly and describes his experience with the game as the type of gamer he is. But everyone in a group of poeple who have been playing 30 hours a week of SSBM for 6 years will obviously look at the score and have a huge cry.

And that's the problem with ratings. Magazines and the gaming press have been trying to find way to score fairly since over the years readers are desensitised to 9/10 scores. Whenever a game doesn't score a 9 idiots will write it off completely, just look at the reader reviews most of them are just 10's for the sake of upping user ratings.

Whats that Jeff? I can't hear you over how much fun I am having with Brawl! Anyway, pointing out some of the peoples arguements:
Bad online: Wanna know why? The game is so popular that the server crashed. Big deal, wait a little while and it will be fixed.
Excellent sound track: It has one of the best sound tracks ever. Beats the crap out of any other game I've played.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wanderer5"]Then if the remixes are great, then it can be worth getting.Vandalvideo

Well good for you. If you don't the remixes were great then that fine. However don't call my opinion wrong or even silly, because I do like the remixes, and with the new music(which are great too), that enough for me to say it one of the best.

What baseless opinion are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]English is not my first language, what's musical merit?Vandalvideo

What baseless opinion are you talking about?Wanderer5