lol WoW is dying lol

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] i assume u mean "if" not "is" right? It ether that, or you thought this was Jeopardy, lol. What if it does? I don't give half a f*ck! Just as long as WoW dies.

Jonwh18

link your armory showing that heroic madness kill. you can't call the game dumbed-down until you do.

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

link your armory showing that heroic madness kill. you can't call the game dumbed-down until you do.

Nohtnym

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIbb-2ZQHU

Didnt wowcrendor say to you that stop creating threads to every forum?

no where was this?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Titan will pick things back upKC_Hokie

Again, there are no details whatsoever on the titan project. Faith won't make the game trump the rest of the market.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Uh titan has absolutely no details annouced, what makes you think it will suddenly put blizz back top? Or topper, I suppose. What makes Titan bigger and better than anything annouced?

Vaasman

Again, there are no details whatsoever on the titan project. Faith won't make the game trump the rest of the market.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Uh titan has absolutely no details annouced, what makes you think it will suddenly put blizz back top? Or topper, I suppose. What makes Titan bigger and better than anything annouced?

Vaasman

Again, there are no details whatsoever on the titan project. Faith won't make the game trump the rest of the market.

And Blizzard's best guys are working on Titan. Blizzard is great at innovation. Whatever Titan plays like you'll see other companies copying their new formula like they did with WoW.

no you are right WoW was very innovative to begin with. I'm not sayng they dumbed down WoW. I'm saying that they are ruining it just like they ruin everything. They milked guitar hero till it was crap. They have milked cod till it was crap. Now with mists of pandaria (a horrid expansion of much lesser quality then the other expansions) they show they are going to do the same to WoW. Milk it until it is a pile of sh*t.

Jonwh18

People say WoW is going casual and becoming bad every expansion, but give no reasons.

Its like saying "SWTOR WAS ONCE GOOD GAME, NOW ITS CASUAL!"

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

no you are right WoW was very innovative to begin with. I'm not sayng they dumbed down WoW. I'm saying that they are ruining it just like they ruin everything. They milked guitar hero till it was crap. They have milked cod till it was crap. Now with mists of pandaria (a horrid expansion of much lesser quality then the other expansions) they show they are going to do the same to WoW. Milk it until it is a pile of sh*t.

zarshack

Can't say I'd be sad if it did.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

no you are right WoW was very innovative to begin with. I'm not sayng they dumbed down WoW. I'm saying that they are ruining it just like they ruin everything. They milked guitar hero till it was crap. They have milked cod till it was crap. Now with mists of pandaria (a horrid expansion of much lesser quality then the other expansions) they show they are going to do the same to WoW. Milk it until it is a pile of sh*t.

Jonwh18

People say WoW is going casual and becoming bad every expansion, but give no reasons.

Its like saying "SWTOR WAS ONCE GOOD GAME, NOW ITS CASUAL!"

Nohtnym

[QUOTE="Comduter"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

And I say good. I hope SWTOR kills it. I hate Activison Blizzard so much lol. Everything they touch is turned into a milking machine. Prolly the most greedy of all publishers. Someone posted a topic saying ninty was the cancer of the gaming industry awhile back, and I say lolno. Activison blizzard not only milks THEIR games but because the moronic casual gamers flock to their games ex cod and they get good sales everybody tried to copy them. In the process other games are ruined. I realize WoW was a great game once, but it sure isn't anymore. It needs to die and I will be so happy when it does. F U A/B!

Jonwh18

I don't understand why people bad mouth blizzard.NEWMAHAY

[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

People say WoW is going casual and becoming bad every expansion, but give no reasons.

Its like saying "SWTOR WAS ONCE GOOD GAME, NOW ITS CASUAL!"

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Because it's Blizzard. KC_Hokie

Again, there are no details whatsoever on the titan project. Faith won't make the game trump the rest of the market.

And Blizzard's best guys are working on Titan. Blizzard is great at innovation. Whatever Titan plays like you'll see other companies copying their new formula like they did with WoW.

Blizzard are not innovative. All they do is copy other ideas people already did and make them better with a very long QA period and lots of content. Starcraft and warcraft have always been warhammer clones based on the dune RTS model, and WoW itself is basically user friendly Everquest.

And yes thank you I edited my post blizzard has the most subscribers whoopee.

Though it's odd you mention MMO's with montly fees. how many is that exactly? WoW and TOR? What else? Everything is moving on to a free to play model.

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]You're an idiot... Activision and blizzard are two seperate entities owned by the one big company vivendi, Blizzard have nothing to do with GH, CoD or anything else Activision's devs produce. You are talking about the quality of MoP being lower then that of previous expansions? how would you know that? because LOL PANDAS? gtfo with that crap.

zarshack

What's so funny about any of that?

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Comduter"]Whatever. What is Everquest kills SWTOR? Did you consider that possibility?

Comduter

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]If current WoW is anything to go off of, Blizzard is not infallible.

Again, there are no details whatsoever on the titan project. Faith won't make the game trump the rest of the market.

Vaasman

And Blizzard's best guys are working on Titan. Blizzard is great at innovation. Whatever Titan plays like you'll see other companies copying their new formula like they did with WoW.

Blizzard are not innovative. All they do is copy other ideas people already did and make them better with a very long QA period and lots of content.

And yes thank you I edited my post blizzard has the most subscribers whoopee.

Though it's odd you mention MMO's with montly fees. how many is that exactly? WoW and TOR? What else? Everything is moving on to a free to play model.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] how about you look at the link i posted or the homepage news b4 u tell me to "GTFO with that crap"

Jonwh18

People are ranking MoP based on bugged beta? Tards, just like you.

Edit: Also you still didnt give any reasons why wow is becoming bad every expansion.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] how about you look at the link i posted or the homepage news b4 u tell me to "GTFO with that crap"

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]I read the entire article and it says nothing about the quality of the product, its meerly that the game is passed its prime due to it being outdated and there is only so much you can add onto an old game so of course one day it has to die out. The article never said the expansion coming up was bad quality wise, just that there was less interest in it ON GAMESPOT. Key part here, this article was based on how many people have the game followed on gamespot.

Nohtnym

People are ranking MoP based on bugged beta? Tards, just like you.

Edit: Also you still didnt give any reasons why wow is becoming bad every expansion.

[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] OREALLY? "but those who are following it are not speaking very highly of the add-on. GameSpot Trax runs a monthly survey measuring purchase intent and perception of quality for upcoming titles, and for the most recent survey, Mists of Pandaria ranked second to last of 67 titles of all genres with a perceived quality score of 6.0."

Jonwh18

People are ranking MoP based on bugged beta? Tards, just like you.

Edit: Also you still didnt give any reasons why wow is becoming bad every expansion.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]I don't understand why people bad mouth blizzard.Frostbite24

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They have 10 million subscribers for WoW. That crushes all MMOs with monthly fees combined.

And Blizzard's best guys are working on Titan. Blizzard is great at innovation. Whatever Titan plays like you'll see other companies copying their new formula like they did with WoW.

KC_Hokie

Blizzard are not innovative. All they do is copy other ideas people already did and make them better with a very long QA period and lots of content.

And yes thank you I edited my post blizzard has the most subscribers whoopee.

Though it's odd you mention MMO's with montly fees. how many is that exactly? WoW and TOR? What else? Everything is moving on to a free to play model.

And what have they done since that is innovative? Each game they release is just a slight improvement on very well worn formula with lots of content and high production values.

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]I don't understand why people bad mouth blizzard.Comduter

But seriously, SWTOR? LOLOL

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Ok yea what? Blizzard is great at innovation? Blizzard is good at a great many things. Art, music, optimization, gameplay.

Blizzard are not innovative. All they do is copy other ideas people already did and make them better with a very long QA period and lots of content.

And yes thank you I edited my post blizzard has the most subscribers whoopee.

Though it's odd you mention MMO's with montly fees. how many is that exactly? WoW and TOR? What else? Everything is moving on to a free to play model.

Vaasman

And what have they done since that is innovative? Each game they release is just a slight improvement on very well worn formula.

And yea Everquest is an MMO as well. However, WoW was the first MMO to introduce their specific formula. And countless MMOs have copied their formula ever since. You don't see MMOs copying Everquest.

With Titan I expect Blizzard to introduce a new MMO style of play. That's what Blizzard does and then everyone in the genre will copy them again.

lol cool story bro lol lol

[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] OREALLY? "but those who are following it are not speaking very highly of the add-on. GameSpot Trax runs a monthly survey measuring purchase intent and perception of quality for upcoming titles, and for the most recent survey, Mists of Pandaria ranked second to last of 67 titles of all genres with a perceived quality score of 6.0."

Jonwh18

People are ranking MoP based on bugged beta? Tards, just like you.

Edit: Also you still didnt give any reasons why wow is becoming bad every expansion.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Blizzard isn't innovative? Since when. They created a RTS formula that was copied over and over. They created an MMO formula that was copied over and over. And they created an RPG formula that was copied over and over. KC_Hokie

And what have they done since that is innovative? Each game they release is just a slight improvement on very well worn formula.

And yea Everquest is an MMO as well. However, WoW was the first MMO to introduce their specific formula. And countless MMOs have copied their formula ever since. You don't see MMOs copying Everquest.

With Titan I expect Blizzard to introduce a new MMO style of play. That's what Blizzard does and then everyone in the genre will copy them again.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]No, look up dune, look up Everquest, look up basically every mmo before WoW. All WoW does it make it easier on people to play and get into it and has lots of content on day one, it wasn't innovative at all. At best you could say Blizzard developed the Diablo formula, but really, they did that by buying Condor games.

And what have they done since that is innovative? Each game they release is just a slight improvement on very well worn formula.

Vaasman

And yea Everquest is an MMO as well. However, WoW was the first MMO to introduce their specific formula. And countless MMOs have copied their formula ever since. You don't see MMOs copying Everquest.

With Titan I expect Blizzard to introduce a new MMO style of play. That's what Blizzard does and then everyone in the genre will copy them again.

The gaming community credits ID with their innovations for the FPS genre. However, they didn't create that industry either.

You can innovate an existing genre which is exactly what Blizzard did across multiple genres.

WOW will always be around

Alterac Valley owns bro

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Dune? That didn't inspire the RTS genre. Warcraft did.

And yea Everquest is an MMO as well. However, WoW was the first MMO to introduce their specific formula. And countless MMOs have copied their formula ever since. You don't see MMOs copying Everquest.

With Titan I expect Blizzard to introduce a new MMO style of play. That's what Blizzard does and then everyone in the genre will copy them again.

KC_Hokie

The gaming community credits ID with their innovations for the FPS genre. However, they didn't create that industry either.

You can innovate an existing genre which is exactly what Blizzard did across multiple genres.

Warcraft just slightly improved dune, warcraft 2 just slightly improved warcraft , starcraft just slightly improved warcraft 2 and changed the setting, warcraft 3 just slightly improved starcraft, starcraft 2 just mushed warcraft 3 and starcraft into one. And both of them are basically a ripoff of warhammer and warhammer 40k settings. Starcraft literally was going to be a 40k game but they couldn't get the rights figured out. None of those games were a great remarkable leap forward in mechanics or function.

World of Warcraft, as I have said multiple times with no real contention, is just an improvement of what everquest and ultima did with the MMO genre. Dark Age of Camelot came as well marks the evolution of the genre pre WoW. WoW simply streamlined the process of playing and makes it easy to pick up and featured a world full of gameplay and content. Nothing WoW did innovated the genre. It simply popularized the genre. Largely, the systems WoW used on release were all done in other games. They just did it better. I don't consider that innovation.

With Diablo, sure, I might give you that, if you consider buying companies that innovate to be innovative. Since then they also made Diablo 2. There have been an infinite number of people since that cloned the formula and built upon it. And now, with Diablo 3 on the horizon, they are releasing a game that is an improvement on Diablo 2 but largely the same formula done in with moderate improvements, lots of content, and accessability.

Making a high quality product is not innovative.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who said anything about inspiration? Blizzard did not innovate when they made Warcraft, or World of Warcraft, they built upon the framework of people and games that came before them. People who had developed the gear treadmill, the use of professions, raiding, world bosses, factions, things of that nature. WoW didn't do anything new and exciting except be accessible. Setting the standard does not mean they were innovative.

Vaasman

The gaming community credits ID with their innovations for the FPS genre. However, they didn't create that industry either.

You can innovate an existing genre which is exactly what Blizzard did across multiple genres.

Warcraft just slightly improved dune, warcraft 2 just slightly improved warcraft , starcraft just slightly improved warcraft 2 and changed the setting, warcraft 3 just slightly improved starcraft, starcraft 2 just mushed warcraft 3 and starcraft into one. And both of them are basically a ripoff of warhammer and warhammer 40k. Starcraft literally was going to be a 40k game but they couldn't get the rights figured out. None of those games were a great remarkable leap forward in mechanics or function.

World of Warcraft, as I have said multiple times with no real contention, is just an improvement of what everquest and ultima did with the MMO genre. Dark Age of Camelot came as well marks the evolution of the genre pre WoW. WoW simply streamlined the process of playing and makes it easy to pick up and featured a world full of gameplay and content. Nothing WoW did innovated the genre. It simply popularized the genre. Largely, the systems WoW used on release were all done in other games. They just did it better. I don't consider that innovation.

With Diablo, sure, I might give you that, if you consider buying companies that innovate to be innovative. Since then they also made Diablo 2. There have been an infinite number of people since that cloned the formula and built upon it. And now, with Diablo 3 on the horizon, they are releasing a game that is an improvement on Diablo 2 but largely the same formula done in with moderate improvements, lots of content, and accessability.

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

So Blizzard creating new formulas with existing game elements while simultaneously making the genres more accessible is innovation.

And that's what Blizzard is good at. Innovation (not to be confused with invention).

1. WoW is made by Blizzard. Not Activision, not Activision Blizzard.
2. WoW still is a good game. Give me your arguments as to why it's not, you baddie
3. SWToR's release hasn't even scratched the paintwork on WoW
4. Giving a massive subscriber base more content is not milking, it's not being assh.oles and it's business
5. You're bad so you hate WoW
6. Baddie

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Just because they didn't create the genres doesn't mean they weren't innovative.

The gaming community credits ID with their innovations for the FPS genre. However, they didn't create that industry either.

You can innovate an existing genre which is exactly what Blizzard did across multiple genres.

KC_Hokie

Warcraft just slightly improved dune, warcraft 2 just slightly improved warcraft , starcraft just slightly improved warcraft 2 and changed the setting, warcraft 3 just slightly improved starcraft, starcraft 2 just mushed warcraft 3 and starcraft into one. And both of them are basically a ripoff of warhammer and warhammer 40k. Starcraft literally was going to be a 40k game but they couldn't get the rights figured out. None of those games were a great remarkable leap forward in mechanics or function.

World of Warcraft, as I have said multiple times with no real contention, is just an improvement of what everquest and ultima did with the MMO genre. Dark Age of Camelot came as well marks the evolution of the genre pre WoW. WoW simply streamlined the process of playing and makes it easy to pick up and featured a world full of gameplay and content. Nothing WoW did innovated the genre. It simply popularized the genre. Largely, the systems WoW used on release were all done in other games. They just did it better. I don't consider that innovation.

With Diablo, sure, I might give you that, if you consider buying companies that innovate to be innovative. Since then they also made Diablo 2. There have been an infinite number of people since that cloned the formula and built upon it. And now, with Diablo 3 on the horizon, they are releasing a game that is an improvement on Diablo 2 but largely the same formula done in with moderate improvements, lots of content, and accessability.

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

So Blizzard creating new formulas with existing game elements while simultaneously making the genres more accessible is innovation.

And that's what Blizzard is good at. Innovation (not to be confused with invention).

It's the same formula other people made, and they did it with high production values and lots of content. It's only innovation in the absolute basest definition of the word, I refuse to attach the adjective "innovative" to a company because they simply do what other games did a little bit better. It's like calling Call of Duty and IW innovative because they are popular and streamlined FPS in their own way.

I don't understand why people bad mouth blizzard.NEWMAHAY

I'd love for WoW to 'die' and for some other mmo to become king, but SWTOR was a missed opportunity. Typical hotkey mmo combat and they only did the story for the first 16~ levels, then it falls off a cliff. If it had kept with the story focus 'til the max level, rather than intentionally going for the 'mmoey' feel to leveling, and took some risks with mechanics, it coulda been great.

And it woulda helped if they didn't use that abomination of a game engine, that thing is just a failed abortion.

I tried TERA last weekend and all i saw is Loli's running around and half naked chicks... actually they were more than HALF naked. Really sad the mmo genre is.silversix_

Yeah, WoW is dying all right, 10million is miserable numbers. Lets not forget how horrible they milk people by realsing expasions every other year. And surley these people are all right and Mists will suck, surley it can't be because its something different from there last expansions complelty and these people resent change.:roll: I'e just started WoW last month, and even I see all of thisis ridculous.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]But, they didn't. Do you even know what innovation means? Maybe if I say it enough?

Warcraft just slightly improved dune, warcraft 2 just slightly improved warcraft , starcraft just slightly improved warcraft 2 and changed the setting, warcraft 3 just slightly improved starcraft, starcraft 2 just mushed warcraft 3 and starcraft into one. And both of them are basically a ripoff of warhammer and warhammer 40k. Starcraft literally was going to be a 40k game but they couldn't get the rights figured out. None of those games were a great remarkable leap forward in mechanics or function.

World of Warcraft, as I have said multiple times with no real contention, is just an improvement of what everquest and ultima did with the MMO genre. Dark Age of Camelot came as well marks the evolution of the genre pre WoW. WoW simply streamlined the process of playing and makes it easy to pick up and featured a world full of gameplay and content. Nothing WoW did innovated the genre. It simply popularized the genre. Largely, the systems WoW used on release were all done in other games. They just did it better. I don't consider that innovation.

With Diablo, sure, I might give you that, if you consider buying companies that innovate to be innovative. Since then they also made Diablo 2. There have been an infinite number of people since that cloned the formula and built upon it. And now, with Diablo 3 on the horizon, they are releasing a game that is an improvement on Diablo 2 but largely the same formula done in with moderate improvements, lots of content, and accessability.

Vaasman

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

So Blizzard creating new formulas with existing game elements while simultaneously making the genres more accessible is innovation.

And that's what Blizzard is good at. Innovation (not to be confused with invention).

It's the same formula other people made, and they did it with high production values and lots of content. It's only innovation in the absolute basest definition of the word, I refuse to attach the adjective "innovative" to a company because they simply do what other games did a little bit better. It's like calling Call of Duty and IW innovative because they are popular and streamlined FPS in their own way.