lol WoW is dying lol

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I think you're confusing innovation and invention.

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself.

So Blizzard creating new formulas with existing game elements while simultaneously making the genres more accessible is innovation.

And that's what Blizzard is good at. Innovation (not to be confused with invention).

Bardock47

It's the same formula other people made, and they did it with high production values and lots of content. It's only innovation in the absolute basest definition of the word, I refuse to attach the adjective "innovative" to a company because they simply do what other games did a little bit better. It's like calling Call of Duty and IW innovative because they are popular and streamlined FPS in their own way.

What has Blizzard done that compares to that? Diablo maybe. But Halo was a remarkable step forward for console FPS, in controls and in general design. Can anyone really say that Starcraft 2 is a remarkable step forward for RTS, or Diablo 3 is a remarkable step forward for ARPG's? Or even the original Starcraft? What in Warcraft completely redefined the experience players found in Dune or similar games of the time? Or WoW? Is making it accessible really what we consider innovative. When developers like Valve have implemented realistic physics or first person portal puzzle games? Or what about Unknownworlds, they created NS, a game that successfully fused RTS and FPS genres.

They are great games for sure, but they are just one step up the staircase, they merely set the benchmark for quality and value in their respective genres. They are hardly unique or innovative.

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]BUT THEY AREN'T CREATING NEW FORMULAS.

It's the same formula other people made, and they did it with high production values and lots of content. It's only innovation in the absolute basest definition of the word, I refuse to attach the adjective "innovative" to a company because they simply do what other games did a little bit better. It's like calling Call of Duty and IW innovative because they are popular and streamlined FPS in their own way.

Vaasman

What has Blizzard done that compares to that? Diablo maybe. But Halo was a remarkable step forward for console FPS, in controls and in general design. Can anyone really say that Starcraft 2 is a remarkable step forward for RTS, or Diablo 3 is a remarkable step forward for ARPG's? Or even the original Starcraft? What in Warcraft completely redefined the experience players found in Dune or similar games of the time? Or WoW? Is making it accessible really what we consider innovative. When developers like Valve have implemented realistic physics or first person portal puzzle games? Or what about Unknownworlds, they created NS, a game that successfully fused RTS and FPS genres.

They are great games for sure, but they are just one step up the staircase, they merely set the benchmark for quality and value in their respective genres. They are hardly unique or innovative.

They just need to stop making expansions and work on a sequel or something. Nonstop-Madness

WoW will be dying with probably 5 million players when their MMO market is revitalized with Titan and they once again have 15+ million subscribers for MMO's.

For me, Dialo 3 is what I will be playing :).

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]They just need to stop making expansions and work on a sequel or something. Bardock47

I'd not want to see a sequel to WoW, I'm pretty much 'done' with the game, 7 years too much for me. Never liked the setting (fantasy+steampunk) and I am utterly sick of the gameplay.

I hope Titan is 'nothing' like WoW, absolutely nothing similar.

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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]They just need to stop making expansions and work on a sequel or something. Inconsistancy

I'd not want to see a sequel to WoW, I'm pretty much 'done' with the game, 7 years too much for me. Never liked the setting (fantasy+steampunk) and I am utterly sick of the gameplay.

I hope Titan is 'nothing' like WoW, absolutely nothing similar.

i love warcraft lore and i'd hate to see it all go away, personally. it's so diverse and varied and a welcome departure from the cliched medieval fantasy of, say, the elder scrolls series.

plus when you consider the foundations of the universe all of the multiple cultures and races really do make sense and don't seem out of place. the lore is so complex but at the same time it all stems from a basic foundation.

First of all Halo 1 developed a lot of other new mechanics that made it innovative, not just good controls, including regenerating shields, a two weapon limit, quick grenades, etc. And then the unique control scheme on top of that.

Vaasman

Face it, Halo wasn't innovative at all. Bungie did to FPS genre exactly the same thing as Blizzard did to RTS, they took somebody else's ideas, put a little pieces of their own solutions and then just polished everything.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]SWTOR is trash, WoW was and always will be trash so are all MMO's (excluding GW2). I came. I gave and ran away from this MMO thread.SamiRDuran

if you like eve online. your basically sharing personals with either ben bernanke, john corzine, or mr. red the drug dealer on your street corner. take your pick...

the mmo genre is differnet in that there will eventually be an mmo for everylittle fanboyism franchise in existance. **** it, theres an mmo for hello kitty. as you can tell everyone has their favourite and discards the rest of the games they deem inferior around it (kinda like the kids who huddle around their dbz titles or cod or w/e (my god like every other game genre.. how prepostorous). however unlike other genre's. they can all be right and be free of criticizm beyond the "im thick headed and ignorant of other opinions or tastes" defence. meanwhile in other genre's you can actually have other arguements. ive learned to stop hating people who play other mmo's (just not eve online.. but its all a matter of time before that will change).

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Do not lump Blizzard in with Activision, kthnxbai.

Jonwh18

WoW is just as much of a milkk machine as cod anymore. #1 theres the stupid subcription, and at the beginning of WoW it was worth it, now however with pathetic stuff like mists of panda crap. lolno, just no. Its a perversion of a game that has had such an influence on the MMO world.

It's League of Legends man

I hope SWTOR kills it.

Jonwh18

Hahaha, the TORtanic is already sinking.

About goddamn time.

No way TOR has anything to do with it tho :lol:

a game released in 2004, 8 years later, over 10 million subscribers are still actively paying every month to play it.

What other video game than WOW can claim that?

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I hope SWTOR kills it.

Vesica_Prime

Hahaha, the TORtanic is already sinking.

And I say good. I hope SWTOR kills it. I hate Activison Blizzard so much lol. Everything they touch is turned into a milking machine. Prolly the most greedy of all publishers. Someone posted a topic saying ninty was the cancer of the gaming industry awhile back, and I say lolno. Activison blizzard not only milks THEIR games but because the moronic casual gamers flock to their games ex cod and they get good sales everybody tried to copy them. In the process other games are ruined. I realize WoW was a great game once, but it sure isn't anymore. It needs to die and I will be so happy when it does. F U A/B!

Jonwh18

You complain that it's a milking machine yet you want Star Wars, the most milked brand in the universe to kill it?

SWTOR?

No sir it's LOL that's killing WOW.